Talk:Cuyahoga Valley National Park

New Entry Bibliography
Hi All, I am planning a new sub-section in the 'History' section of this page to remedy the lack of information on Native Nations that formerly inhabited the CVNP. The sources are all peer-reviewed academic books or articles in addition to the national parks service website itself. All material will either be noted with a citation and direct quotation or paraphrased accurately with appropriate citation. My proposed addition is approximately three new paragraphs which will be structured to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines. Please see the following sources:
 * "History & Culture: People." National Parks Service. June 5, 2018. Accessed April 27, 2019. https://www.nps.gov/cuva/learn/historyculture/people.htm.
 * Daniel K. Richter “‘Believing That Many of the Red People Suffer Much for the Want of Food’: Hunting, Agriculture, and a Quaker Construction of Indianness in the Early Republic.” Journal of the Early Republic 19, no. 4 (1999).
 * Herbert C. Kraft, The Lenape: Archaeology, History, and Ethnography (Newark: New Jersey Historical Society, 1986)
 * Hìtakonanu’laxk, The Grandfathers Speak: Native American Folk Tales of the Lenapé People (New York: Interlink Books, 1994).
 * Dawn G. Marsh, A Lenape Among The Quakers: The Life of Hannah Freeman (Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 2014).
 * Grant Foreman, Last Trek of the Indians (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1946).
 * Daniel G. Brinton, The Lenape And Their Legends; With The Complete Text And Symbols Of The Walam Olum, A New Translation, And Inquiry Into Its Authenticity (Lewisburg, PA: Wennawoods Publishing, 1999).
 * Mary Stockwell, The Other Trail of Tears: The Removal of the Ohio Indians (Yardley, PA: Westholme Publishing, 2014). — Preceding unsigned comment added by A blinka (talk • contribs) 18:07, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Negative affects?
Is there any discussion of negative impacts of the CVNP? How about the federal government's ability to acquire a huge mass of land that is populated? 33acres (talk) 01:29, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I think this is a great point. There is actually a documentary about the land acquisition process that was adapted into a PBS Frontline documentary. Here is the summary:
 * • William C. Birdsell was the superintendent of the Cuyahoga valley national recreation area from 1975 until his death in 1980.
 * • The original planning of eminent domain practices angered the locals. The home purchases seemed random and bias, with local politicians receiving special easements.
 * • When William died, Lewis S. Albert became the superintendent of Cuyahoga Valley National Recreation Area (CVNRA). Policies at CVNRA were changed. The CVNRA stopped purchasing land not needed for park purposes and sought other ways to preserve it.
 * I think the length and intensity of the community involvement in this process warrant a section on the Wikipedia page. Further reading by a local reporter at the time. Perhaps a section like 'Land acquisition' Usermamepolicy (talk) 13:57, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

I thought about writing a section saying that citizens and friends of the parks did not uniformly agree that the area deserved the highest level of protection (a National Park) made possible by the National Parks Organic Act, since it does not contain a unique scenic wonder like Yellowstone or Yosemite. However, I did not have enough information to write the section.

There is extensive precedent for the federal government acquiring populated land for the purpose of historic preservation. 2600:1700:9E30:C70:5880:3610:FBC1:6F90 (talk) 09:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Larry Siegel

Crooked River
Everybody seems to agree that Cuyahoga means "Crooked River", but in the article about the river itself the indian language is given as Iriquios. Here it is given as Mohawk. Which is it? Or is it both?Hx823 (talk) 21:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiTables
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Copied material in this article, to be identified and quoted, or removed
There's a problematic tag with note in this article "This article incorporates text from a National Park Service website (http://www.nps.gov/archive/cuva/planavisit/todo/recreation/ohioerie.htm) that is a public domain work of the United States Government." That URL does not work. What is the URL that was meant?

And, if there is copied text or other copied material in this article, I believe it should be put in quotes and directly attributed, or it should be removed, so that removing this tag would then be justified.

Note, not all National Park Service website material is public domain. The NPS copyright / permissions notices are clear about that. doncram (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see what is wrong with a tag noting some text is borrowed from the government. There are many tags that do this, as well as the 100s of 1911 Brittanica tags out there.  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  18:58, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a big discussion. See Plagiarism's talk page and prior discussions linked from that page.  But briefly, it is widely (but not at all unanimously) regarded as a mistake for wikipedia to have included eb1911 material in, the way it did, rather than keeping track of the specific material more clearly.  And it has caused a lot of work.  There are people still working at removing 1911 material.  Similar material from DANFS is often included in ships articles.  I've played a role in ensuring that such material gets removed from ships articles that are going through GA and FA reviews, and I think the consensus is now that such material must be removed (or quoted just like any other quoted material from non-PD sources).  The only benefit for wikipedia of material being PD, as I see it, is that you can justify much longer quotations, if you want to have a very long quotation, beyond what would be justified by "fair use" for copyrighted material.  It is basically irrelevant that material is PD, because it still ought to be quoted and sourced directly.  However, there are many who do cut and paste PD material in, and that causes a lot of work and, in my view, undermines the quality and credibility of wikipedia.  It is not a copyright violation, so it is not illegal;  the issue is proper attribution and, in broad terms, plagiarism.  Plagiarism is a loaded term for many, but I use the term to refer to situations where attribution is less specific than is appropriate.  In the case of cut-and-pasted text from a PD source, a tag and a link to a website provides general attribution that is of a level suitable for the website being a general source, but it does not specifically credit wording to the author / website.  The specific passages' wording should be attributed, and that is traditionally done by using quotation marks or indented quote passages, with footnotes following.  Or, if you don't want to give such credit, you should reword to avoid the necessity. doncram (talk) 19:14, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

This article reads like a brouchure.
This article has large chunks lifted from the NPS site. Specifically, the section on the tow path. That section has several problems, including two identical references to the same source, which don't work; a vacuous statement about the towpath "connecting" "through one of the Cuyahoga Valley National Park visitor centers."; and a lack of any specific information. I am going to do an edit to include some useful information.Abitslow (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Towpath
I tried to change it to this:

Completed in 1832, and mostly abandoned as a travel route after 1913, parts of the Ohio and Erie Canal's towpath survive maintained principally by the Ohio Department of Natural Resources and, in Cuyahoga Valley National Park, by the National Park Service. It is possible to bike from Newburgh Heights, just south of Cleveland, thirty miles south to Akron, Ohio on dedicated bike and hike trails. The longest stretch is the National Park Service's multi-purpose Ohio & Erie Canal Towpath trail running almost 21 miles (33½ km) from Rockside Road, Independence, OH in the north to Summit County's Bike & Hike's Botzum trailhead, just south of Bath Rd., in the south. An unimproved bridle trail follows most of the route in the park. The towpath trail consists of mostly crushed limestone with occasional stretches of asphalt and does not allow vehicular traffic, although it crosses several roads. The trail follows the Cuyahoga River for much of its length. Restrooms can be found at 9 trailheads along the way and commercial food and drink can be found on Rockside Rd., the Boston Store, in Peninsula, and (seasonally) at the farmer's market adjacent to the Hunt Farm. There are several visitors centers along the way. At Rockside Rd. it connects to Cleveland Metroparks trail which travels another 6 miles (9½ km) North. At the national park's southern end, the trail connects with the Summit County Bike & Hike Trail which runs through Akron and south through Summit county becoming the Congressman Ralph Regula Towpath Trail in Stark and Tuscarawas counties and ending in Bolivar, Ohio, almost 70 more miles. These segments are nearly uninterrupted, using 0.2 mi of sidewalks (or city streets) in Akron and 0.4 mi. of sidewalk and residential street travel in Massillion. In the national park the trail meets the Buckeye Trail (near Boston Store). Another section of the Summit County Bike & Hike Trail system (connecting to the nearby Brandywine Falls, and also to the Cleveland Metroparks Bedford Reservation and thence to Solon in Cuyahoga County; Hudson and Stow in Summit County; and Kent and Ravenna in Portage County, Ohio) is near-by.

but something screwy happened. I don't know whether anyone is interested in adding/modifying this. Also, at the towpath's southern end, if you travel a mile along a highway (not very 'bike friendly') and another 3/4 miles on sidewalks south out of Bolivar, you can pick up the Zoar Valley trail, which contains some scenic stretches but with a mostly packed dirt surface until it intersects Tuscarawas County 416 (about 10 miles south), when it becomes 'on-road' for the remainder of the route (there is a 0.3 mile stretch along Ohio 800, a highway, but it's wide enough to be a good bike route). According to signage along the way the "towpath" ends about halfway along the Zoar Valley Trail, at its intersection with Ohio 800. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.29.171.136 (talk) 21:14, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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Vistor centers
The article should be updated about visitor centers. Looking at the park site (https://www.nps.gov/cuva/planyourvisit/hours.htm) it seems that: אביהו (talk) 13:37, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * "Canal Visitor Center" is now "Canal Exploration Center" (https://www.nps.gov/cuva/learn/historyculture/canal-exploration-center.htm) and the park site does not mention "Canal lock demonstrations are conducted seasonally on weekends by National Park Service staff and by volunteers wearing period costumes."
 * "Hunt Farm" is now "Hunt House" (https://www.nps.gov/cuva/learn/news/peninsula-depot-changes-function.htm).
 * "Frazee House" is not a visitor center par se, but historic structure preserved by Cuyahoga Valley National Park (https://www.nps.gov/cuva/planyourvisit/the-frazee-house.htm). There is no information about Operating Hours & Seasons, so it is not clear if it is open to the public.
 * "Peninsula Depot" is no longer a visitor center from 2014 (https://www.nps.gov/cuva/learn/news/peninsula-depot-changes-function.htm).

Trailheads
There are trailheads in addition to those listed currently. I haven't got their coordinates, but from N to S they are: >>at Rockside Rd. (listed) This is the Northern edge of CVNP. Parking is S of Rockside, W of Canal. There's parking for Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad(CVSRR) a short distance away as well. Restrooms (If I recall) >> at Stone Rd (not listed) pull-off along Canal Rd. >>Hillside (listed) (Visitor ("Exploration") Center) Restrooms, CVSRR stop. >>0.25 mi S of Tinkers Creek Rd on Canal,(not listed) pull-off >>at Fitzwater Rd (not listed) pull-off >>Frazee House (listed) >>Station Rd (listed) Restrooms, CVSRR stop >> at Highland Rd (not listed) restrooms >> Stanford House (not listed) spur, no parking except possibly along road, closest to Brandywine Falls (~2mi hike) >> at Boston Mills Rd (listed) restrooms, snacks, museum (limited hrs), CVSRR stop (at Boston Mills Ski Resort) a short walk. >> at W Streetsboro Rd (rt. 303) (listed) restrooms, CVSRR stop, retail bike rental (Century Cycle) (not sure if still open) >> Deep Rock Quarry (Metropark) (listed) restrooms?? >> at Bolanz Rd (listed) retail farmer's market (Szalay's, seasonal) >> at Indigo Lake spur (not listed) short walk from parking to Tow Path (seasonal restrooms, iirc), CVSRR stop. >> 1/4 mi. N of Ira on Riverview Rd. (listed) >> 0.3 mi. S of Bath Rd. (listed as Botzum) restrooms, CVSRR stop - last in NP. when noted as "pull-off" there is no dedicated parking, but it is (I think) allowable to park along road.40.142.176.39 (talk) 20:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Reorganization
What is unique, noteworthy, special about Cuyahoga Valley National Park? I'd take a crack at reorganizing but I'm not personally familiar, and since I'm rather a newbie at editing (Actually, I did a fair amount anonymously, but created an account in response to large-scale shutdowns of IP ranges), I'm hesitant to redo the work of more established contributors without being certain they'd approve of my actions, — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanMarshCTR (talk • contribs) 21:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Sister park
https://www.ideastream.org/show/sound-of-ideas/2024-06-04/cuyahoga-valley-national-park-forms-international-bond-with-uk-sister-park Not sure if this would be considered trivia. Mapsax (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)