Talk:Cyclone Gene

Todo
All in all, pretty good job for the article. I'm too lazy for a GA review, so here's some things to do. If this were a GA review, I'd probably fail it, or maybe put it on hold.

*Can you think of a better opening sentence?
 * Acctuly i prefer it that way as it tells you exactly where the Storm is within the season.
 * I personally think it is bland, and we usually try to avoid the generic opening if there is a better one available (was it the deadliest/costliest of the season?)
 * yes it was the costliest east of 160E.

*In the lede, any reason Tropical Disturbance is capitalized, but tropical depression isn't? I see a few other problems with capitalization. (Made Gene in the MH) *Source is needed for the damage total *In the first paragraph of met. history, you should specify what "tropical cyclone status" means *In the first paragraph of met. history, you should mention sometime that the storm was moving near Fiji *"then emerged back out into the Coral Sea" - what does that mean? That's the first time you mention Coral Sea
 * Not done, I still see a capitalization problem.
 * Since Gary Padgett just compiles his information from other sources, can you find the original source for the $45 million in damage? Maybe it was updated.
 * Done - Its on page 4 of the TCR released on Gene which i had overlooked as its tucked away
 * Date consistency is needed, whether to use the ordinal or not- it should not not have th, etc. at the end of the date. (You have one instance of September, BTW).
 * Im not sure i understand what you mean by the ordinal?
 * The ordinal means using March 1st instead of March 1. The dates should not have st, nd, rd, or th at the end of them.
 * Link for hPa is needed. Also, the WPTC standard is to not use knots. We agreed to use either mph or km/h, depending on the basin.
 * I didnt know about that but i would dissagree as Nadi use knots as the primary unit
 * Well, there needs to be some consistency, as the Infobox doesn't even mention Knots (when viewed outside of the edit window). You can bring this up with the WPTC if you disagree with it, but we agreed a while ago to have either mph or km/h (it would be km/h in this article), since the public can't really grasp the knot.

*The first sentence in the second paragraph of met. history is far too long. Also, "RSMC Nadi reported that Gene had weakened temporailly in to a category one cyclone" seems really verbose. a) does it matter which agency said it weakened? b) is it really that important that it weakened to a category one cyclone? Can't you just say that on X date, Gene temporarily weakened due to the shear? Check for other verbose language. Having a lot of text is great, but it doesn't mean it's well-written. *"having one minute sustained winds" - any reason for writing that all out? Is that how we write it in other articles? Usually, I just write 115 mph (Xkm/h sustained 1-min sustained . Perhaps mention the differences in the wind speed (1-min vs. 10-min.... are you sure Nadi has 10-min winds, BTW?)
 * Yes they do use 10min winds as they use the Australian Cyclone Intensity Scale which is 10 min
 * Clarification would be good in the article.
 * "On February 1st Cyclone Gene was located just to the east of Vanuatu but as Gene moved towards the south-eastern most island of Vanuatu the Cyclone took a sudden turn to the south and missed Vanuatu" - this sentence is really poor, with Vanuatu written three times. Please re-write
 * Is there any information available about what mechanics caused it to take the track that it took?
 * "Extra tropical" is one word
 * You still have it spelled as two words.
 * Is there a reason for its re-intensification late in its lifetime?
 * niether Padgett Nadi or Wellington specify any reasons.


 * I never made it to the impact section, but the same things can be looked for - proper units, concise sentences, avoiding redundancies, being well-written in general. Find a copyeditor if necessary
 * One last thing - any impact in Vanuatu or New Caledonia? Those sections should probably be combined, due to their brevity.

Good luck fixing up the article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:16, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hink, you'd be too late to review the article anyway; I called dibs on a GA review last night. But I'm being fair by giving the nominating editor,, a leeway of one week to correct the errors you pointed out. Just letting you and Jason know. --Dylan620 ( Home •  yadda yadda yadda  •  Ooooohh! ) 13:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if you pass it, I can still question your review if I didn't think you were thorough enough. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Very True and i am very gratefull to both of you for your very thorough reviews im going to put a couple of hours in on this article now and then later tonight Jason Rees (talk) 16:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :-) I'm putting Cyclone Gene on my watchlist so I can monitor it. BTW, Hink, have you at all read this post I put on your talk page? I've been very, very anxious for you to read it. --Dylan620 ( Home •  yadda yadda yadda  •  Ooooohh! ) 16:49, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think i have managed to "fix" up the article to hinks comments. but Hink please check. Jason Rees (talk) 23:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

To do 2

 * Both units (metric and imperial) are needed throughout the article
 * DoneJason Rees (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Please fix references (putting them in the proper order - they need to be after the full-stop). Several sentences look like they don't even have full stops.
 * Done Jason Rees (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The whole 10-min thing is still poorly done, and looks messy. Compare to Typhoon Paka for the best way to deal with the units
 * Done Jason Rees (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I spotted/fixed two typos in the met. history at a very quick glance. Please make sure there are no more typos, and perhaps get a copyeditor
 * Done Jason Rees (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The phrase "RSMC Nadi" is used 17 times in the article - does it really need to be used that much?
 * ive cut a few out and so has Julian.Jason Rees (talk) 23:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * A source would be good for the first paragraph in "Records and Naming"
 * Umm Hink ive been told that the wiki table covers that Jason Rees (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose that is fine, since each storm is cited in the template. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, any impact in Vanuatu or New Caledonia?
 * A Very minor amount


 * Again, what does it mean when you say that the JTWC upgraded the depression to a tropical cyclone? *:done


 * Again, watch out for the redundancy. "On February 1, as cyclone Gene was moving towards Vanuatu, Gene recurved to the south and missed Vanuatu"
 * sorted


 * Several times, you say "cyclone Gene", which seems a bit weird. Normally, for the Atlantic at least, we do "Hurricane XXX", with the hurricane capitalized. It seems really repetitive saying "Cyclone Gene" so many times.
 * done


 * You should mention the damage total in the impact. Also, the formatting for the damage in the lede is very weird.
 * Ok ive removed U$ from the lead


 * The prose still seems really weak in the met. history. The first sentence doesn't tell me anything, and it contains an error (southwest is one word). BTW, you're missing important meteorological data (potentially failing its comprehensiveness). The JTWC has a slew of data for its origins in its daily outlooks, all available in our January archive for the season.
 * Done
 * The simple fact that you don't have the origins is problematic. There are other problems, notably with the prose and overall sloppiness. Sorry, but I don't think this is ready to be a GA. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 07:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * ok im working on it now Jason Rees (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd rather you not cross out my responses, as not everything has been done adequately. I still find the origins very much lacking, as the JTWC tells in depth meteorological information that you are missing. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Im sorry Hink but i prefer to strike them out as i go as it makes it easier for me to see - i also find it annoying when you use words like peirod to describe a full stop as it slows me down and makes me think what is he on about and have to go to google to get a translationJason Rees (talk) 21:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It's considered impolite elsewhere on Wikipedia, and I prefer you didn't strike them out, since you didn't take care of everything you struck out. In the future, when I use period, I mean fullstop. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Ok ive gone through and removed the striked lines and replaced them with commments Jason Rees (talk) 21:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Given that you're not going for FA status, I think the article is close to the point of being good enough for passing its GA nomination. My major qualm is the lack of JTWC information for its origins. The JTWC has the SWTO, which includes good info on what the storm did before it became a TC. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks Hink for the very thorough review ill check out the STWOs at some point later on today once i have had some sleep. Just for your infomation i might look at an FA once Nadi have released their Season Summuary on the 07-08 season as i think it would look good as a part of a series on the SPAC 07-08. Jason Rees (talk) 04:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll give another review before/if you take it to FAC. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think that it would be a good idea to have your eyes run over it again before sending it to FAC but lets wait for all the data from Nadi to come in. O and just as a side point i think i may of solved the problem with the 2006-07 season numbering. Jason Rees (talk) 04:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorted i think Jason Rees (talk) 00:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Links
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 * http://apcedi.blogspot.com/2008/02/apcedi-alert-spfj-15p-gene-7-2008.html

TCWC Wellington End of season report. - http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/tcp/documents/RAVTCC-12FinalReport_AppIV_CountryReports.pdf pg39
 * TC Gene crossed 25S between 1200 and 1800 UTC 3 February 2008 in longitude 173E. Based on the 031200Z Nadi warning, it was expected to weaken significantly over the next 6 to 12 hour period. However, Gene’s intensity was reassessed and Kelburn’s first warning was a hurricane warning. Gene maintained hurricane intensity for the following 6 hours, and then eased to storm. It continued moving east to southeast with storm force winds until 1800 UTC 5 February. During this time, Gene went through extratropical transition with the gale area and the eye expanding and a frontal band forming in the southern quadrant. The last TC warning was issued at 1800 UTC 5 February. Further warnings on extratropical cyclone Gene continued with intensity increasing to hurricane force again between 0000 and 0600 UTC 6 February. A central dense overcast seemed to reappear around 1800 UTC 5 February, as low level cold air wrapped around the centre secluding the mid level warmer air. This mid level convective cloud continued to move with extratropical depression until 1200 UTC 6 February and was then engulfed into the frontal cloud band as the direction of movement changed to southwest. The depression continued to move southwest and storm force winds finally eased below 35 knots around 1800 UTC 8 February.

Vanautu Met Service end of season report.

TC Gene A tropical depression was evident east northeast of Fiji. Organization improved, with good support aloft, and on the 28 th of January, 2008, the depression became tropical cyclone Gene. Gene’s initial path was southwest, and then west, that brought it through the two main island of Fiji. As it moves past Fiji, with the anticipation of it moving west southwest, the Vanuatu Tropical Cyclone Warning issue the first advisory on Gene on the 30 th of January. Tropical cyclone Gene was 300KM east of Futuna Island. The first warning was issued on the 31 st of January at 3am in the morning specifically for the central and southern islands. On the 31 st of January, at 6pm, TC Gene started to slowly move in a west southwest track, as well as intensify. Warnings for central islands were cancelled, while warnings for the southern islands were upgraded to storm and Hurricane, as Gene continues to intensify to 955hPa, 80 knots (Cat 3). The hurricane and storm wind warning was maintained until the 01 st of February 2008, at 6pm. On the 2 nd of February 2008, warnings for Tafea were downgraded to gale as TC Gene reduced its intensity. The final warning was issued at 3pm, on the 2 nd of February 2008 when Gene was located 300KM southeast of Aneityum Island. The closest Gene came to Futuna was 30 KM to the southeast of the island. Winds of 50 to 60 knots were recorded on Aneityum. The lowest pressure recorded on Aneityum was 998hPa on the 31 st of January 2008 at 11pm, while the observation station on Whitegrass, Tanna reported 994hPa on the 1 st of January at 5am local time.Damages On the island of Futuna, Tafea province, garden crops and houses (both native and non native) were severely damaged. More than 70% of garden crops were damaged by the winds of TC Funa, prompting the Vanuatu Government to declare the area a disaster zone.

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