Talk:Cylons/Archive 1

Boomer
Is this characters name a reference to the humanoid robots from the Bubblegum Crisis series?


 * The character of Boomer dates to the original 1978 Battle Star Galactica series so unless the show you mention predates 1978, no. Robertbrockway 2:18 May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Imperious Leader
Would it be fair to suggest that the term Imperious Leader could be a direct translation of the German Nazi title Reichsführer? j/w
 * No, because "imperious" is not "imperial."

New vs. old cylons
Now that there are many indications that the new BSG wil become equaly as important as the original, perhaps it would be usefull to give the new cylons an article on their own. The "new" cylons are featured in this article as somewhat of a sidenote, while there is at least as much info on then as on the original cylons. Just as the different models here it could discuss the different new models ( nr 6, boomer, the CGI fighter, the spacecraft model etc.). Also the new cylon backstory is at least as rich as the original, and many interesting things can be said about their religion also.

Baltar's Fortuitous Rescue
"The revelation she is a Cylon agent implies that Helo's stranding and Baltar's apparently fortuitous rescue, may be only part of an elaborate Cylon plan."

This statement really doesn't belong here; it's certainly breaking NPOV, as whoever wrote it is seriously reaching. Not only does it not make sense, as it was Helo who insisted on staying behind and giving up his seat for the Doc, but Ron Moore himself cited in his Podcasts that Helo was never intended as a post-mini-series character. Fans demanding to know what happened to Helo, along with Moore being surprised by his acting ability prompted him to create the story of Helo on Caprica. One could allow Moore to rewrite history and suggest that Boomer would have orchestrated it anyway, but that's not the way it happened, and it's certainly not the way it was originally written.

More specifically, we see that it's cosmically important and part of Cylon plan in the way that everything works out conveniently for Baltar, but the suggestion that Boomer-Cylon had a hand is imaginative at best.


 * Absolutely correct, but Moore hints in his 8/27/05 podcast that Helo is a Cylon. Unless I'm totally dense. Hmm? Danlovejoy 03:29, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


 * It would be surprising if he gave that away so unambiguously. Can you say which episode in this listing in which it could be found? --Saforrest 05:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The number of models in the new series
I could've sworn that initially they said there were only 6 models, but then at some point they switched the number to 12, and i have a sneaking suspicion that in the latest flashback where they mentino 12, they just redubbed it to say that cuz it originally said 6-- am i delusional?

I thought 12 refered to the number of human models in the new series. Not the total number of cylon models of all types.


 * Ron D. Moore has confirmed in interviews at Thefandom.com that there are 12 models of humanoid Cylon.


 * In the miniseries, Adama discovers a note in his quarters that reads, "There are only 12 Cylon models." — Phil Welch 07:22, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Nowhere did it say that there are 12 humanoid models - just that there are twelve models. Now, if I were writing it, I'd want to keep as many options open as possible - that means twelve humanoids + centurion, raider, and any other mechanical models I don't remember. Danlovejoy 05:36, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Well you're not writing it. Look, how ambiguous can "there are only twelve Cylon models" be? — Phil Welch 06:23, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, I'm not? How do you know? ;-)


 * Seriously - there is LOTS of room for ambiguity, even if you take the note at face value. But I'm not advocating either way here. As recognition to those who think "it's perfectly clear" that there are 12 humanoid Cylon models, I wanted to make it clear in the article that there is some ambiguity - a change that you supported in the edit history. So is there a problem - or are we in agreement? I'm confused. Danlovejoy 03:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree there is lots of room for ambiguity. Just looking at it logically, it doesn't make sense that there'd only be 12 models total--the Cylons have been around for 40+ years and there are only 12 models?? Unlikely. --Fang Aili 06:37, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think you're confusing "are" and "have been". Past models can be discontinued. Check out this poor guy! — Phil Welch 10:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)


 * He was just joking around --Ricimer 19:52, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, that was the joke. Good job catching it. — Phil Welch 21:21, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The note, though I don't remember the exact wording, did NOT say there were 12 HUMANOID models, just that there were 12 CYLON models. I am going to make an assumption that the general definition of a cylon model is one that can act or think indepemndently. Without further knowledge, I can't say that the gunship that crashed into Galactica, nor the carrier that 'Sharon the Cylon' stole were sentient or independent.


 * Actually, Ronald Moore's blog now makes it very clear that Centurions are not sentient. See here: http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/01/index.html#a000114.  This would seem to suggest the raiders aren't, either, and that the only sentient, spiritual, and religious models are the humanoid ones.


 * My prior statement regarding Raiders is not entirely correct. In the episode "Scar", the Sharon Cylon explains to Starbuck that Raiders do resurrect at the homeworld or on a resurrection ship.  Because of this and other evidence in the show, Raiders must have some form of sentience.  Other information from Sharon suggests they have individual personalities and complex emotions such as hate.

The 'robots':                                                                               1. The '78 model centurion : "That model is still around.  It has its uses." 2. The CGI centurion. 3. The pilotless raider.

The 'Humanoids': 4. Aron Doral. 5. Leoben Conroy. 6. Shelly Godfrey / Number Six. 7. Sharon 'Boomer' Valeri. 8. The doctor from "The Farm" (Forgot his name.)

As the note was written WELL before Sharon was pregnant, I will assume that the expected cylon baby is NOT one of the original 12 models. Hmm...  12 models, 12 colonies. Coincidence? Please feel free to add any others I missed.

Doing a little research after watch Season 2, Episode 18 aka "Downloaded", I put together this list...

03 - "D'Anna Biers" played by Lucy Lawless

05 - "Aron Doral" played by Matthew Bennet was Galactica's PR Officer

06 - "Shelly Godfrey" aka "#6" played by Tricia Helfer

08 - "Sharon Valeri" aka "Boomer" played by Grace Park

Then there was "Leoben Conroy" played by Callum Keith Rennie was the Cylon that Adama killed in EP-108 "Flesh & Bone" & "Simon" played by Rick Worthy who was the Doctor from EP-205 "The Farm". But, in "Downloaded" we see potentially four new Cylon models on Caprica. We have...

"The Balding White Guy in Black Suit" walking away in plaza with 6 before Coffee house scene?

"The Bald Black guy in tan jacket" (Another Simon?) sitting with back to camera with 6 & 8 in Coffee House scene twice in EP 218?

"The Red Head woman in light green top with dark pants" sitting with 5 from Coffee House in EP 218??? Though it could be another 3.

"The White Guy with Dark hair in Olive Jacket" sitting alone? Though could be another 5.`

Sorry, no names as yet. :(


 * In the Podcast, Ronald Moore mentions that there are several appearance by Simon but they used another actor. Chiok 09:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Those first two were both Simon. Noneofyourbusiness 02:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

The derivative of the name "Cylon"
"It may also be an allusion to the German word Zyklon (tsʏkloː)" It is my understanding that Zyklon is a direct translation for Cylone. The only reason I can see for the German wording is as an obscure reference for Zyklon B which was used in Nazi concentration camps. If this is the case then it needs to be amended somehow — Zarboki 16:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Zyklon is just German for "cyclone". I can't think of any reason for this to be mentioned save the Zyklon B reference.  Anyway this seems really reaching.  Even the explanation for the German pronunciation is wrong: z is pronounced as ts, not s (e.g. Nazi is Nat-see, not Na-see). --Saforrest 04:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Cylon in Mozilla
By my reckoning the word "cylon" appears only four times in Mozilla, once in a comment and three times in unused code.

Spelling
Isn't the metallic warrior unit Cylon spelt "Centurian"? Or is that just for the Mini-Series?

As long as we each know what this refers to, it shouldn't matter. I haven't had the chance to check the spelling, but the  in my notes above indicate this may not be the proper spelling. If anyone can confirm the proper spelling, please do. :)

Heavy Raider
The Heavy Raider first appears in Season 1 Episode 9, not 13. It is seen above the street shining a spotlight when the cylons are searching for Helo and Boomer, while Helo is looking out the manhole. 205.206.98.72 08:06, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Cylons are Christians?
The man who did this serie is not much sympathetic to christians. The cylon religion is very alike with the christian religion, because of the monotheis, and other things, placing christians as villains and pagans as heroes. 200.213.85.185 23:07, 18 February 2006 (UTC) More like to replace the human race. The Six in Baltar's head does use more Christian-esque language, but she may not be a Cylon at all.
 * Yes, that pro-pagan bias in most Candaian produced television is so apparent, I can't believe other people can't see it too--205.188.117.65 23:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What incredible malarky! The Cylon religion has NO messiah, NO concept of salvation, NO afterlife, NO apotheosis, and NO mandate to witness.  It's about as un-Christian as you can get.  You might as well tap into the fact that the Cylons believe they're God's chosen people and claim that BSG is anti-Semitic since the villains are "obviously" Jews.  Oooh!  Or how about claiming that BSG is anti-Hindu because Cylons can reincarnate?  You can't, with any honesty, pick up on monotheism and suddenly go "well, it's obviously Christian-like".  No.  Akenaton was a monotheist, and his religion looked nothing like Christianity.  The truth is...we know nothing about the internal workings of the Cylon religion.  All we know is that the Cylons believe in a single deity and that they believe they've been chosen by this deity to end the human race.  That's it.
 * On the contrary. Galactica is pro-christian. As the person above said they are very far from actual Christianity and they're showing everything that is wrong about religious fanatism. Furthermore all the series is a cross-section of human religious and phylosophical history. There's more to this show than meets the eye
 * "All we know is that the Cylons believe in a single deity and that they believe they've been chosen by this deity to end the human race."

Black doctor cylon
Why is the black doctor who was examining Starbuck on Caprica not found in the images of known Cylons. He has proven to be a Cylon
 * Starbuck is the only one to have seen him and thus there is no photo of him available. (?)
 * VigilancePrime 00:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Cavil and Religion

 * Mentioning this in discussion as of course religion can always be a touchy subject (although I doubt there would be any dispute on this). At any rate, I've removed a line added to Cavil's entry: "One of the Cavil copies on Galactica states that "we" (he and others of his model) tell the others to believe in "one true God". The purpose for this is unknown, but it implies the idea that Cavil might be the humanoid model number one."
 * I've rewatched the scene in this episode, and can confirm that the Cavil models express athiesm, not belief:
 * Galactica Cavil: "There is no God"
 * Caprica Cavil: "Supernatural divinities are the primitives answer for why the sun goes down at night".
 * Galactica Cavil: "At least that's what we've been telling the others for years."
 * Caprica Cavil: "Can't really prove it one way or the other of course."
 * Markeer 21:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Boomer's 8 comment

 * In the episode where Baltar coerced Boomer into divulging that there were 8 hidden Cylons in the fleet, it was clear what she was saying. That she is model number 8 is a different issue. What stretch of logic would lead one to think that "naturally" one can believe that she MEANT "I'm number 8 and in the fleet" when she said that there were 8 others among the fleet?
 * I reverted this part out simply because it goes beyond conjectural at this point, unless some reference or logical progression for this assumption can be given.
 * VigilancePrime 02:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Reverted this part out again. Still waiting for anything telling WHY this is either relevant, accurate or even fathomable. Maybe I'm missing the logic, but I doubt it. Please elaborate before re-re-adding.
 * VigilancePrime 03:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe the last "Leoben Conoy" model who came asking for Kara Thrace on New Caprica just as, or just before, the Cylons arrived is accounted for in the 8. There does not appear to be any way for him to have been in the colony if he wasn't there from the beginning.  Between all the ships and the survival concerns of the New Caprica colony it does not sound impossible to remain hidden.  It also appears that Baltar's Cylon detection testing been halted (for how long?). JoeEgo 22:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Zarek

 * When Gina/6 destroyed Cloud Nine (and a few other nearby ships, as seen in the SpecEffects shots), did that kill Zarek too? After all, I seem to be led to believe he lived on C9, and he at the least spent a lot of time there. If not, why wouldn't he have been seen in the "One Year Later" scenes? After all, he and Baltar seemed quite close (considering that Zarek got Baltar the election issue).
 * Thoughts?
 * VigilancePrime 02:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ways to Shorten This Article: Please Vote
User:SGCommand recently split this article into 1978 and 2003 versions based on the ever-lengthening size of it. While I merged them back together primarily because I think the past series design decisions are very much a part of what we currently see, I didn't disagree with SGCommand that the article has stretched to quite an unweildy size. I'd love to hear some votes or suggestions on ways to streamline this article. A couple possible suggestions here:
 * Re-splitting the 1978 and 2004 articles with a more comprehensive disambiguation page and cross-links
 * As much as possible removing the detailed entries for the humanoid cylon models. Each of them has their own article (which is linked).  In the case of the entry for Number Six in this article, it's not particularly shorter than her own specific page.  Why not simply link her article to this main one and limit ourselves to a one-or-two sentence description here.

- You can split off Cylon Centurion to a separate article, and shorten that section up to a stub. That would also make it easier to expand.

- You can split Humanoid Cylon to a separate article, and shorten that section up to a stub. That would very much make it easier to expand.

Merges
A number of merges into this article are under discussion at Talk:Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series). — Philwelch t 05:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

There's also a survey at Talk:Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series) about these merges, and will be open for 7 days. Dionyseus 05:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

This article is in a terrible state
This article is pretty poor in its current state - it's too long, it rambles, it does not cite its sources, its tone is wrong in sections ("Amazing!").

It requires a significant clean-up.

--Charlesknight 19:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Excised Section: Trivia



 * In the novelization of the Battlestar Galactica pilot (released as a movie in Canada and the U.S.), the Cylons are described as being three eyed creatures inside metallic armor. This contradicts all other accounts of the Cylons being completely robotic. Producer Glen A. Larson did originally intend to make the Cylons living alien beings wearing full body armor (similar to Star Wars stormtroopers) but changed his mind in the interest of sanitizing the violence in the show as many Cylons would be "killed" in battle during the course of the series.


 * In the classic arcade video game Berzerk, the playing character is pursued by armies of robots in every room with electronic walls, which could kill the character instantly as well as the robots themselves. The robots in pursuit do resemble the classic Cylon Centurions, except they appear to be wider and bulkier, and the red eye circles the head instead of the traditional back and forth.


 * Sci-fi fans traveling through Hartsfield International Airport in Atlanta were always quick to note that the automated voice on the trains connecting the passenger concourses to the main terminal was a perfect match for the voice of a Cylon . However, in preparation for the 1996 Summer Olympics, the airport was renovated and the Cylon voice was retired in favor of a pre-recorded "human" voice. The voice heard going down the escalator to the trains, however, still reminds them of Box, the robot guarding the path to sanctuary in Logan's Run.


 * In the source code of Mozilla (and its Netscape predecessor), the "undetermined" progress bar that slides back and forth -- rather than filling up the bar from left to right -- is referred to as the "Cylon".


 * A Cylon appears in the Futurama episode "Bendin' in the Wind". He’s part of the musical duo Cylon and Garfunkel, a parody of Simon and Garfunkel.


 * The classic Cylons have also appeared on The Simpsons on several occasions, the most notable in Mayored to the Mob during a sci-fi convention. There's a quick gag in a boxing arena where three Centurions square off against R2-D2 and C-3PO from Star Wars. ("See the mighty robots from Battlestar Galactica fight the gay robots from Star Wars!") They easily pin C-3PO to the floor, and R2 refuses to help.


 * In the FOX Animated Series Family Guy, the host of 'KISS Forum' also hosts 'Battlestar Galactica Forum' on Quahog's public access channel. He introduces the forum by putting a classic Centurion mask on and saying "Welcome to Battlestar Galactica Forum" in traditional Cylon computerized-monotone.


 * In the opening credits of certain seasons of The A-Team, Dirk Benedict watches a Cylon walk past (while at the Universal Studios tour), initially expresses concern, and then decides to ignore it. Dirk Benedict played the character Starbuck in the original Battlestar Galactica series. This scene is later recreated on the animated show Family Guy.


 * In the television show Knight Rider, the car KITT features the "roving LED", similar to the Cylon eye. Some fans of Knight Rider speculated that KITT was designed using "Cylon technology". Both shows were created by Glen A. Larson.
 * In a third season episode of Knight Rider, "Halloween Knight", the episode villain is shown briefly in a Cylon mask.


 * In his podcast, Ron Moore revealed that the Pegasus cylon based on Number Six was named "Gina" as a back-handed reference to the numerous fans of the original series who had referred to the reimagined series as "GINO," or "Galactica in name only."


 * Although the term "Centurion" for Cylon warriors is commonly spelled as such, several sources from the original series, as well as the "Cylon datasheet" in the opening scene of the 2003 miniseries, actually spell the term:  "Centurian" .


 * Cylons were the focus of a short skit on the Adult Swim program Robot Chicken in which it is said that the original cylon actors had so many problems walking around in their suits that they were constantly falling down.

consistency in naming of human cylons
There have been zillions of naming conventions used in this article: "Number numeral," "Name (number #)," "Name (number numeral)," "Name aka Number #," "Number #, aka Name," etc... I suggest people with strong opinions on this state them here, and then we standardize it, and stop reverting each others minor tweaks of this. Debivort 02:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the Cylon number should be the primary item in the section headings, when known. If it were a discussion of characters, using various names as a first choice might be acceptable, but since it's a list of Cylon models, I feel the model number is better. The number should be written out according to WP:MOSNUM. As for the "aka" stuff, I think putting (aka name) is good, when the character is primarily known by a single name (e.g. the Colonials referring to the copies of Dean Stockwell's character collectively as "Brother Cavils").  -- Fru1tbat 02:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Split?
Ways to better this article, include splitting certain sections off, and splitting the article in two. Note that Imperious Leader is a separate article already.

Split article in two: BSG Cylon 2003 and BSG Cylon 1978

 * Cylon (1978) and Cylon (2003)


 * I think this is the most obvious split. With links back and forth where neccessary ("Unlike the in _original series_ the cylons in...").
 * Duggy 1138 03:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that splitting off the reimagined Cylons from the original ones is the best way to go. The new mechanical Cylons can be combined with an article containing brief descriptions of the humanoid ones, because there isn't so much to say about the mechanical ones. Each of the humanoid ones (I think) has its own separate article too.-- Kyok o  06:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we'll cross those splits when we come to them, but the splitting shows is a good start.
 * Duggy 1138 09:16, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems likea good idea to me, as the series grows so does the ammount of information, as it stands the page at present isnt in a great state so splitting it may help somewhat as well. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I prefer this split as well. -- Fru1tbat 13:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Even if this is split into the two eras, Centurions and Humanoids should get their separate pages as well... Centurions because we do the same for raiders, and a centurion and a raider are not really any different accoring to the new continuity. Humanoids should be separate because they are a major plot point, and would otherwise overwhelm a general Cylon article (as they currently do here). 70.55.84.98 23:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I feel that the Centurions in New Coke would end up being a stub. As I said earlier "splitting shows is a good start" and if necessary split the New Coke article when it is needed. Duggy 1138 09:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Split off Cylon Centurion
I think this split should be made, so we can contrast the mechanical Cylons of the two eras, and the fact that Raiders, Heavy Raiders and Basestars all have separate articles, so Centurions should also have a separate article, accordingly.

Split off Humanoid Cylon

 * Humanoid Cylons are a large component of the new show, it would make sense to have a separate article on them, with only a stub here.

Canon/Non-Canon images and information.
Non-Canon information is still information. If it is from an official product and not fan-fic, it's worth adding.

It isn't part of the original series and isn't cited as such, so there is no problem with it.

Duggy 1138 09:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Like you said.. its not a part of the serious.. take that to the game article. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it is part of the information about Cylons. It needs to be said here.
 * Well, not here, so much any more.
 * Duggy 1138 10:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Original intention of Larson to make cylons living beings?
For those of you who really have a problem with this uncited info, here's a fact sheet I found on BSG! http://www.blast.net/hart/Facts.htm And if you read the novelization of the pilot, it is clear that the Cylons were originally imagined as living beings underneath metallic armor. It doesn't take a leap of the imagination as to why it may have been changed. Only it was ABC's idea, not Larson's.Mr. ATOZ 02:01, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Origins of the Cylons?
The article says that the Cylons were created to serve a race of reptiles, I'm sure that I remember Apollo telling Boxy that the Cylons were once been an organic race who replaced their bodies with more and more machinery until in the end they were just brainwaves in metal bodies.

perfectblue 10:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I think the article 'toaster' should be merged into this one, Cylon (Battlestar Galactica), seeing as that is what both articles are about. The term toaster is a slang term for Cylon in Battlestar Galactica. Perhaps a whole section could be made?  ✬Dillard421✬ (talk • contribs)  07:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't necessarily agree. It's about a "real world" term that was inspired by the series, so doesn't fit here.
 * Although, I think the Toaster article could possibly be deleted.
 * Duggy 1138 (talk) 07:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I wrote the article 'toaster' and even I am not really happy with it, the word 'toaster' is only one of several that may be used interchangeably for 'expendable robot', the term gets blurred even further because it can often apply to humans as well.
 * Maybe a merger with or a new article on robots might be more appropriate. - I note that the current article(s) are in need of some work. Lucien86 (talk) 19:51, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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Spoilers
Can someone who has seen all current episodes put warnings in - I don't want to do it as I'll find stuff out I don't want to know!Tompagenet 21:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Cylon numbering
What is this about Brother Cavil being Number Two and Leoben being Number Eleven? -- Noneofyourbusiness 01:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently, Cavil is shown to be #2 in the closed captions. It gets changed back and forth every week or so. As for Leoben being #11 I have no idea... -- Fru1tbat 02:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * CC is rarely a good source for information. If that is all we have to go on, then they should both be relisted as "(Cylon Model Number Unknown)". Koweja 02:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't it more likely that the closed captions were referring to Cavil #2, meaning the second Brother Cavil to speak in the scene in question? -- Noneofyourbusiness 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a very good point. For that reason, until more is known, he should be left as "unknown", I think. -- Fru1tbat 03:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

So the Centurions, Raiders, and Hybrids (Basestars) don't count towards the "12 models"? 139.84.112.160 23:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There are 12 human models of Cylon, not 12 models in general. If that's not understood explicitly with Adama's note, The behaviour of the human models to the basestars/raiders/centurions should prove that. If nothing else, Six's line in "Torn" that "We don't discuss them", is more then enough explanation to say tha the Final Five haven't been shown yet at all. - 59.167.14.91 01:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason Cavil keeps getting moved to the top of the list instead of with the other unknown model numbers? Koweja 00:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we really know that the numbers have any significance to when skin jobs were first produced or when design was completed? Couldn't there have been 12 models planned in parallel and more or less completed simultaneously? Otherwise there would be some implication that model 12 was more advanced in design that model 1 due to more design, manufacturing and operational experience.
 * I guess numbering is still interesting if we are speculating on the writers master timeline of events. One would assume that the writers numbered models as the plot timeline first put them in action against the Colonials. Nevertheless I think a model might exist long before being used. 69.23.120.164 17:58, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * According to this blog entry Number Six was named after Number Six of The Prisoner, and the rest of the numbers were assigned randomly. Of course this doesn't rule out the possibility of the numbers being assigned some kind of significance for some future plotline. -- Gordon Ecker 06:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Projection
Shouldn't the article describe the concept of Projection that was talked about in last weeks episode (Torn)? It seems to be an importiant aspect of the Cylon culture and sense of reality. 70.109.228.66 00:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hybrids
Considering the Judeo-Roman influences of the series, it's safe to consider the possibility that hybrids are the show's version of the oracle. What do you think?

Well, if that is the case, then there should be a mention of what the hybrid shown was actually saying. I'm positive it spoke some lines from Shakespeare (specifically, Hamlet's soliliquoy on suicide), but I couldn't make out where the rest was from. Anyone know? - Lauren H.
 * I thought it was just saying technical babble, reporting on the status of things, but not sure. I don't remember any quoting of literature. Cyberia23 06:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * She said: "Two protons expelled at each coupling site creates the mode of force, the embryo becomes a fish though we don't enter until A plate, we're here to experience, evolve the little toe, atrophy, don't ask me how, I'll be dead in a thousand light years, thank you, thank you, genesis turns to its source, reduction occurs step wise though the essence is all one, end of line. FTL system check. Diagnostic functions within parameters repeats the harlequin, the agony exquisite, the colors run the path of ashes..." Noneofyourbusiness 00:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * On the article about the Cylon basestar it says the Hybrid has a "reaction similar to an orgasm"? Huh? It looks like it's more in pain, not pleasure...If we are to see that this organism is in fact a pseudo-human CPU for the Cylon Basestar, then something like moving a massive star vessel from a stationary, or sub-light movement speed, to faster than light...sounds rather painful, or strenuous to me. If we are to assume that the Cylon Basestar uses a similar FTL system to the Colonial fleet, than she'd have to "spin up" the drives...but either way this seems more like work than pleasure, but considering the vague introduction we had to her, we simply relate her to typical human emotions and states of being when she could, in fact, be devoid of all that, to make room for operational software and such. I wonder, if we look at her like an oracle, instead of a tool, (which considering a few of the things she says make sense, such as atrophy from lack of use seems to be the only way to relieve oneself of the useless appendage of the "little toe". She also seems to have a mileage, like a car engine, which I found humourous.) then I pose questions "Do the humans know about the hybrids? If so, how would they react? Kill her? Can she die in the traditional sense?" It's interesting, and I do hope we see more of her, she's a puzzle, and a very intriguing one at that. CylonSix 4:19, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The Colonials know something about the hybrids because Sharon told them and they found the dead one on the virus attacked basestar. I think the "orgasm" comment referred to the general idea of sensory overload and massive firing of neurons (or their Hybrid equivalent) -- without worrying about the B&D or S&M implications of seeking it out. The whole idea of the hybrids is a central coordinating system running at the edge of capacity (probably using a lot approximations to shortcut decision making). So an actual jump probably causes a momentary overload as all the old space data goes invalid, you get a moment of "in jump" nonsense, then a totally new set of space data for the new location. Massive system reset at the higher levels as everything needs to be recalculated and new decision database built.
 * So do raiders experience anything similar? They aren't carrying the massive overhead of basestar internal systems but do carry some navigation/combat/exterior environment systems. Raiders aren't of course called upon to evaluation millions of implications from Cylon plans, but only a few immediate self survival issues.69.23.120.164 18:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Dead and resurrection don't apply to hybrids. They are apparently cloned from a common design. But after installation there doesn't seem to be an occasion where replacement makes sense (ship destroyed). On the other hand, except in an event like the virus fear, basestars apparently replicate all their data to each other when they are in range. What one knows, the others soon know. A new Hybrid gets a full upload. So I would think the Hybrids are a bit more like a single hive mind to the extent they have personality. Due to info overload there is likely barely enough time to develop a rudementary personality among all Hybrids and no time for great distinction among them.
 * Wasn't it stated by #6, when resurrection first came up in the series, that there was only one place memory data from individual skin jobs got merged to the Cylons? I assume that means the Resurrection ship Hybrid. Certainly individual skin jobs keep secrets even from same models. Another reason Hybrid might seem like an Oracle. 69.23.120.164 19:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

And here I had assumed that Hybrids were partially stealling the ideal of the Navigators from Dune. That is Hybrids do have a small degree of precognitive ability primarily for navigation. But also Hybrids coordinate all basestar information systems allowing them to deduce, induce, and extrapolate conclusions. Thus Hybrids aren't really babbling so much as presenting samples of information stored or being processed in basestar systems. Basically too much information for the human interface portion of a Hybrid to verbalize. Also the comments about crazy are probably a reference to the fact that the human conscious portion of the Hybrid can't quite keep up itself without extreme stress. there is no excess capacity for the Hybrid to formulate a normal conversation while data zips by in their minds 1000s of times faster than even skin jobs can handle.69.23.120.164 16:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthermore I supect Baltur will turn out to be some sort half-brother to the hybrids on basestars. Remember how the Hybrid seemed to have a unique response to Baltur and make bigger efforts to communicate to "slow time" humaniods? I doubt Baltur is a true Cylon because that would violate the unstated rule that Cylons skin jobs are not really attracted to other Cylons but only to humans. Yet it is also obvious that Baltur is more than just crazy. It would make more sense if Baltur was a little of both. Maybe he was a human modified at birth or the real first case of Cylon-human reproduction. His succcessful modification could also the source of Cylon speculation on reproduction with humans. Wasn't there also a comment about the Hybrids being crazy because they were in someway too close to human?69.23.120.164 16:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as the working relationship between skin jobs and the basestar Hybrids go, isn't it really a  Board of Trustees (stockholders) to CEO relationship? I mean normally the Hybrid does what they ask her to do and manages implementation of orders down to Cylon raiders and troops. Skin jobs can only override orders face to face from what I understand. But I seem to remember that the Hybrids can also take emergency actions on their own like jumping out of lethal area (nova, etc) assuming they recognize the danger and the time is too short. Plus I also seem to remember that following Baltur's exploration of the virus infected basestar, some Hybrids switched from objecting to leaving the basestar in trouble to actually refusing some orders to jump (due to fear) to where the Hybrids thought the virus might be caught or spread through the Cylon fleet. Wasn't it not wanting to go near the Resurrection ship or communciate with other basestars? 69.23.120.164 19:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Centurions not purely mechinical?
If the Centurions lack any biological components how were they infected by the virus? The show seems to be implying that they, like the Cylon fighters, have organic guts inside their metal frames. 208.101.91.76 00:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Or at least Organic Brains, Encephalitis is a viral infection of the brain and the Lymph nodes are used to regulate body fluids, specifically white blood cells. Lymphocytic Encephalitis is essentially, a disease that distrupts the ability to maintain and manipulate an immune response. - 121.44.249.64 08:08, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Boomer said that the Centurions started shutting down as soon as the Hybrid was infected, so the virus is actually having an indirect effect on them. -- Noneofyourbusiness 20:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * The Centurions seem to be networked (perhaps with the hybrid), because during the very beginning of the re-imaged series Helo ends up blowing one in half with a claymore, and there are no biological components inside, it appears to be purely mechanical. There is also the possibility that only the CPU for the Centurion's brain is biological, but that's purely speculation...I would hold to say that the Centurions are purely mechanical in nature, and are controlled by the Hybrid. CylonSix 4:26 30, November 2006 (UTC)

classification
How do we classify the humanoid model cylons, as robots or cyborgs? I think cyborgs for the humanoid models as they are a mixture of living tissue and mechanical components. The Centurions are definitely robots. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The humanoid Cylons are bio androids, I'd say. "Cyborg" usually refers to a regular lifeform which has been modified. -- Noneofyourbusiness 05:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Revelations in Crossroads, Part Two
A number of Wikipedia articles for those affected by the events of Crossroads, Part Two are assuming that Tyrol, Tigh, Tory and Anders are Cylons. All we know at this point is that they think they are are Cylons, and Tigh does not even seem convinced of that. Given the nature of the song they heard, I think it is premature to assume that this is the case and that the articles should reflect only the possibility that they are Cylons and not state it as a confirmed fact. Hermiod 12:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It was confirmed that all four are Cylons in this interview with BSG executive producer Ron Moore ("RM" below):


 * R: When did you decide to make these four characters Cylons and how much did you have to go back and check to make sure that fit with things we already knew about these four characters?


 * RM: It was something I came up with this season as I worked toward the finale. The conceptual framework in which these guys are Cylons, it all sort of works once we laid down their individual back stories.


 * R: Are these four all full Cylons?


 * RM: Yes, but they are different fundamentally.
 * ChazBeckett 12:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Or this could be a mind-frack on the part of the series producers. It wouldn't be the first time that the creator of a Sci-Fi shows has told outright lies in order to keep a story suspenseful. I think we need to make sure that until we see more of the show in Season 4, that there are suitable weasel-words built in to the WP articles. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 15:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Its so obvious that they are. 210.55.84.236 01:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Not obvious enough that I would want it written as fact in the WP page just yet. I want to see how it goes on. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 15:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Total number of models
Sorry to interrupt here, when Six said to Baltar that there was only 12 models of cylons, she did not say "humanoid" cylons. But in the 3rd season there is a reference to the "final five" I wonder if it's a minor inconsistency or what.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Freeflyer (talk • contribs) 12:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC).
 * I don't think an unspoken assumption should count as an inconsistancy. It was officially stated fairly early on that the count only includes the numbered humanoid models, not raiders or centurions, and soon after the Hybrids were introduced, it was confirmed that they aren't in the count either. -- Gordon Ecker 05:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Cylon final five names
Is it significant that each of the four humanoid Cylons revealed thus far has a name beginning with 'T'? (I observe that there is yet a remaining Cylon to be revealed, but at least two characters who have a name which begins with 'T': Zarek and Starbuck.) Or is this just a writer's nod towards their Toaster heritage? Wooster (talk) 16:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

"...have not been shown using speech"
Regarding the sentence about speech in the Centurions section, didn't one of them speak in the pilot miniseries? I could've sworn one of them did the classic "by your command" line on the Armistice Station. Tarc 18:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Religion
"despite their origins, the Cylons believe themselves to be spiritual beings"
 * Can someone explain what this is supposed to mean? I think the statement is implying a contradiction between the Cylons' artificiality and their spirituality, but there's nothing inherently contradictory about this, so it seems somewhat original and opinionated. I'd suggest that a more appropriate statement would be "in contrast to the view of them held by most humans ("toasters"), the Cylons believe themselves to be spiritual beings." Steve 12:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, very nice wording.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 04:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Razor
There should be additional info added to the Centurions about the one encountered in the First Cylon War, and the ones on the old Basestar. 70.55.85.95 (talk) 04:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The Final Five
Speculation converges based on D'anna Biers apology and the unstated rule that Cylons skin jobs are not really attracted to other Cylons but only to humans.


 * Colonel Tigh -- maximum irony, D'anna had some interaction in his torture on New Caprica
 * Cassie -- irony and Tyrol batting 1.000, plus D'anna had some involvement with arrest
 * Sam -- Cylon-human pairing Starbuck; Caprica rebel insider; clean way for Starbuck-Apollo future
 * "Dee" Dualla -- works as Cylon-human pairing; cleanup for Starbuck-Apollo; suspicious Cylon tracking of fleet (one "accident" in open)
 * Tom Zarek -- Actor baggage from originals series; Cylon influence on Colonial masses; documented reasons for missing time in personal history; Cylon access to blackmarket routes especially how nuke moved from Baltar to the tortured #6
 * Cally - Killed off by Tori (One of the Final Five) Irony that would make Nicholas the 1st Cylon-Cylon Child and SciFi.com Has not updated her on cast. Shorter Person in the Surreal image Made by D'Anna. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 214.13.248.180 (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Protected by plot events
 * Laura Roslin -- cancer and prophecy involvement
 * Helo -- fertile pairing with Cylon
 * Tyrol -- pairing with known Cylon; fertile with likely Cylon; prophecy interpreter, etc Revealed as one of the final five
 * Starbuck -- has Cylon stalker; multiple prophecy involvements (navigator as in Odyssey), etc
 * Tigh's wife -- other Cylons should know if she resurrected
 * Yup. John Cavil did. Oooh, not so protected, huh? THIS is why we don't speculate.96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Just too weird
 * Adama -- if Cylon what the hell are they thinking
 * Apollo -- similar questions when he was long in command of battlestars etc
 * Point may be made about the fact that they have an extensive family in human terms. However "In charge of a Battlestar" quite clearly does not matter. "So is my XO"96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible
 * Gaeta -- could swap with Dualla as Cylon especially as there was an early interest in Dualla, but doesn't seem to be strong interacting character

69.23.120.164 17:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, totally not *mrrrph* I'm reading through all this thinking "You guys should have really shut up while you were ahead"96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Note that the rule you're basing this on (humanoid Cylons are "not really" attracted to other Cylons) is something the writers can change whenever they want, and has been semi-violated by the Baltar-Six-D'Anna threesome. It's not strong or well-founded enough to base any solid theories on. Also, involvement in prophecies absolutely does not preclude a character from being a Cylon. Who says figures spoken of in human prophecies must be humans, and figures spoken of in Cylon prophecies (or whatever) must be Cylons?
 * Anyway, this is all pure speculation right now, and while I find it an interesting subject, this talk page is really about the content of article, not predictions about the show.
 * --Fru1tbat 17:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I figured the identity of the remaining Cylon skin jobs, rules of operations and what clues have been dropped was fair game.

The rule about Cylon skin jobs only being fertile with humans is an important fact
 * Ooooh! Sucks to be that wrong, huh? 96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

though and it has been explicitly stated.
 * Where? 96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Helo can't be a Cylon. Though the writers can change anything in the story if they want (heck the Galactica could turn out to be Cylon built though it would be a hard sell).

You are right on whether the actual attractions of Cylon to humans is a firm rule. Though #6 once mentioned something along that line to Baltar (curiosity and reproduction), that may be only Caprica 6's opinion. Such an operational rule has not been stated by the writers in interviews. But so far...
 * The threesome doesn't really say that there is a Cylon-Cylon attraction only a willingness to attempt sharing. If there was an lesbian Cylon-Cylon attraction, #6 sure didn't show that protectiveness at the vote to shut the D'anna model down. In fact I thought the relationship Cylon-to-Cylon was more and more about jealousy. Another words the more typical basis and progression of threesomes.

Also I have considered the idea that the Cylons are in fact the vehicle of prophecy or at least forcing prophecy to come true and Cylon-human attraction being specious. But that would then tend to say Starbuck, Laura, Tyrol and likely Adama and Apollo are merely herdmasters for the Colonial rabble. Why? Altruism to creators/God to save some Colonials from a nearby supernova? Hard to figure out if the show says anything about Cylon motivates yet in that case. In fact that route would tend to say many things on the main Cylon page are misperceptions and that Cylons are even bigger method actors than we thought. 69.23.120.164 17:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's somewhat accurate, even though it was your "unlikely" scenario. Gotta wonder if the commenters from two years ago have come back to read this again. If so, please, for your sake, stop slapping your forehead, you might wear through B^) 96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

"The Hybrids are played by Tiffany Lyndall-Knight"
This should be changed, as the Hybrid in Razor is played by an elderly male. KyuzoGator 01:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The standard hybrids are played by Tiffany. The first prototype hybrid was played by ... ? 70.55.85.95 (talk) 04:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * ...Campbell Lane. Added brief info about that into the article. Canez (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Vulnerabilities
From the article: "It seems that members of the 'Final Five' do not share these vulnerabilities - Anders does not contract the virus when aboard the diseased basestar, and neither Tyrol nor Tigh suffer any ill effects when aboard Ragnar Anchorage (although their exposure was far less than Leoben's)."

Anders was never on the diseased basestar. Doral arrived at Ragnar shortly after Tyrol and Tigh did, and he didn't show any effects until long after they left. 98.164.64.171 (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

12
I was wondering if there should be inclusion of the link between 12 Cylon models, 12 apostles, and 12 Greek gods (tribes of Kobol)? This was utilized in the least for a promotional image of the Last Supper featuring the cast for Season 4. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC).
 * Not unless you want to link to every other bloody thing under @{%deity% ? %deity%'s : null} green Earth. I'm sorry, but "12 as special" permeates everything on earth just about, and might be significant except... every other number under eleven does as well.96.225.212.89 (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

notable 8s
There seem to be three notable 8's now... Boomer, Athena, and the leadership rep (whom we saw on Caprica as well...) 70.55.85.225 (talk) 06:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

numbering
1-6+8 .... seems to lead to #7 being somehow important, and probably the missing Final Five. Especially if you consider 8 did not know she was a deep agent in the fleet... like the Final Four. 70.55.85.225 (talk) 06:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm leaning more toward TPTB not doing their math right and for the sake of the article I doubt there's any reason to mention it until and if it's addressed in the show. Canez (talk) 07:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Not doing math right?? Come on! Any bunch of people capable of producing such a popular TV show will surely be skilled enough to count properly. It's a clear and obvious numbering anomaly that would never have gotten past the proof readers if it were an error. 86.21.12.202 (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I always wondered about 7, and what importance it would have, but clearly they held this close to the chest as long as possible. In light of No Exit, the fact of there being _thirteen_ colonies was oft overlooked, in terms of meta-symbology. Clearly several sections of this entry will need updating... JTL 15:47, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, 13 colonies = 12 + 1 (imaginary colonies + earth). 13 cylons = (9 - 1) + 5 (the first 8 enneagrams, minus Daniel + "the final five (all Nines)".

It might be interesting to look for parallels between the colonies and the cylon personalities. There's probably 1:1 mapping between cylon personalities and colony cultures. Haven't explored that too deeply, though.

The cylons are monotheistic (western), while the human colonies seem to have their own distinctive religious slants, some may be explicitly intended to represent various diverse cultures and religious philosophies.

Anyway, there's enough here to point to all this being well thought out, instead of a mistake. Clearly, the writers are deeply into classical mysticism and numerology.

anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.142.31 (talk) 14:48, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

History
I completely rewrote the section on their history as I thought it didn't really read that well. But I may have included too much information so it might need to be shortened. Canez (talk) 05:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but whatever you replaced must have been superior. This article is rife with speculation, typos, and high-school level grammar. I started editing, but I don't have the time to complete this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.203.194.207 (talk) 19:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

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Cylons' ability to recognise each other
Hi, sorry for my poor english. I was just thinking : shouldn't be this article also mentioning the ability that cylons have to distinguish a particular individual among a model, just by looking at him or her, although this individual is just a clone ?

As we've already seen in the show, humans seem to be unable to recognize a particular cylon individual, and can only recognise this individual as a member of a "model". This is also the case for centurions : when the number 8 "Athena" goes back on New Capprica during the human rescue mission (at the beginning of season 3), she's not recognized by centurions, and therefor not shot or arrested by them, although she's a known traitor to her own kind.

However, during her mission she meets a number 3 who recognizes her almost immediately.

The same phenomenon has been observed many times : - when both humans and cylons converge near the planet on which they discover the eye of Jupiter, a group composed of a 1, a 3 and an 8 comes aboard Galactica to negociate the right to retrieve the artefact. Athena is guarding the room in which the negociations are about to take place, and then instantaneously recognizes the 8 of the coming cylon group as the ressurected "Boomer", just by looking at her. Other humans, however, hadn't recognized her (even Saul Tigh, who is also a Cylon, but who wasn't aware of it at this time). - during the episode "downloaded", many other cylons pay their respect to the number 6 who has helped the cylons hacking the colonial defense main fraim before the attack (the six nicknamed as "Capprica"). They distinguish her without effort from the other 6s - at the beginning of season 4, when cylons are debating about the raiders' general lobotomy, an 8 comes to explain that she disagrees with the global opinion of her model. The 6 Nathalie (who is representing the 6s for this decision) identifies her immediately as "boomer", just at a glance.

How they do that is never explained in the show. But I think this would be interesting to mention it in the article, as an other "superhuman ability" of the cylons. I just can't add it myself in the article, since my english is not good enough.

I also had a question which has nothing to do with it : it's about the timing of resurrection of number 6 "Capprica-6". As we've seen in the serie, the ressurection of a cylon happens almost immediately after his death. Future 8 "Athena" mentions it when Kara Thrace comes on Capprica to retrieve the arrow of Appolo, and kills a 6 who attacked her : when seeing the dead body of the 6, Sharon says "Her consciousness is being downloaded to an other body right now" (or something like that), implying that the resurrection process of this 6 is just taking place at the moment. Other exemple : when 8 Athena asks Helo to kill her in order to be downloaded on the cylon ressurection ship to take her baby back, her ressurection happens very quickly after she's killed

But for Capprica-6, it's odd : she' killed just after the attack on the colonies (by protecting Baltar with her body when his house explodes), but the episode "downloaded" in which she comes back to life seems to happen long after those events (since Boomer informs her that now Baltar is the vice president of the survivors). If "downloaded" was taking place in fact long after the ressurection of Capprica-6, it means she would be having troubles with her feelings for Baltar and her second life for 10 months ! quite long, for a sort of nervous breakdown. And why the hell would then the other cylons be congratulating her for her actions just then, 10 months after her mission's success ?

I just don't get it. Do you ?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.195.131.17 (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Kobolian Cylons
The Earther Cylons / Kobol Cylons should get mention, as they are a different type from the Colonial Cylons. The head of the robotic one also looks different. 76.66.198.171 (talk) 05:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, there goes the article...
Whole article needs major rewrites after the revelations of the last episode.


 * 1: There are thirteen models, including "Daniel"
 * 2: The "Final Five" are really the "Original Five" skin jobs, and actually *designed* the other eight.
 * 3: The primary motivation for destroying the humans is not religious, as John Cabble (#1) has rewritten his belief in god programming, and is primarily his manipulation of the rest of the cylons to destroy manking out of revenge for his own self-loathing for the form he was given by Ellen Tigh.
 * 4: Cylons were not all created as cybernetic servants of the twelve colonies. A fair chunk of them are from Earth a thousand yahrens ago and it has not been revelned why they were made (nor has itt been made clear whether the Final/Original Five were actually cylon during their tenure on Earth, or whether they were humans who found a way to download into new Cylon bodies preparaed in orbit around Earth before beginning their subluminal voyage)

Of course, the article takes on a determinedly certain point of view -- a foolish endeavour in a show with this many sudden plot twists and startling revelations -- and as a result is thoroughly wrong throughout despite adherence to Wikipedia standards.

Almost makes me wonder if the guys who write BSG are as derisive of Wikipedia's "standards," and how said standards are an utter failure to go from concept to functional practice, as I am, and are thus in part motivated by an urge to "fuck with Wikipedia". I know I would be.96.225.212.89 (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I doubt strongly that anyone was out to mess us up. This is simply a case of hindsight being 20/20. Now that the series is over, everything can be given a final once-over, corrected, and left for posterity. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  14:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Cavil vs John
Someone has unfortunately proposed on this page that the character is John Cavil, suggesting that this is one name. However, my interpretation is that John is an alternative name for Cavil (not unlike the alternatives for the Six), and both are first names, as suggested by how the character has shed the "John" name and gone with Cavil, quite likely one he gave himself, as he shuns all from his creator. Meanwhile, the eager editor has also created a John Cavil page, further expanding on their assumption it is one name. This should be noted on the page. Echoniner (talk) 09:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Although he is not referred to as such on the air, Ron Moore refers to the character as "John Cavil" in his podcast for "no Exit." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.40.212.28 (talk) 07:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Head Six not a Cylon
This should have been clear enough long ago, but it should be ultra-clear after the final episode the Head Six is not a Cylon at all and thus not an instance of the Six model. She's something like an angel who appears to Baltar to look like the Six model. Saying she's an instance of the Six model is like saying Head Baltar is human because he looks like Baltar to Caprica Six. Parableman (talk) 21:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Cylon numbering, Personalities, and Eastern Mysticism
Read up on Enneagrams and all will be revealed. Most of what is mysterious about the re-imagining is just due to the fact that most westerners are unfamiliar with eastern philosophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.142.31 (talk) 09:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Number Six (Caprica-Six / Head Six / Shelley Godfrey / Gina Inviere / Natalie / Sonja)
Who is Sonja? The article doesn't tell. And does anybody know the name that Caprica Six used before the Cylon attack? Certainly Baltar didn't call her "Caprica Six".--Dvd-junkie (talk) 09:36, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the Battlestar wiki, Sonja is the Six who was elected to the fleet's Quorum. I don't think Caprica Six's original name was ever mentioned in the series. 72.224.40.131 (talk) 23:30, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If you take a peek at her own article, you'll see that there are two cited references to support the fact that Baltar actually never bothered to learn her name the entire time they were together prior to the attacks. Now, what name she was given/had chosen should he have asked is up in the air.--Bacteria (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Minor problem in Number 7 section
The Number Seven (Daniel) section seems to have lost something in the wording at some point. The second-last sentence in the first paragraph reads "The Sevens were not mentioned again during Battlestar Galactica's remaining episodes." (emphasis added) This implies that there should be a reference to some episode earlier in the paragraph, but there isn't.  I'm not a regular editor on this article, nor fan enough to know all this info, so I thought I'd mention it for someone else to fix. It might be in the page history, but with over 1000 edits, I didn't want to chance resurrecting the wrong info, even if I found it. —RobinHood70 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Origin of cylons
AFAICT Caprica changed the origin of the Cylons in such a way that it destroys the story of BSG. If Capricans invented Cylons, what happened to the 2,000 year journey made by the Final Five, Cylons all, from Earth to the Colonies? Without them, there is no resurrection ship and no skinjobs. (Caprica produced robots, not cyborgs.) Please correct me if I'm wrong, but otherwise, I'll update the article accordingly. I don't know why they didn't locate the prequel to Earth and show that part of the story. They could have called it the Thirteenth Tribe. Zoe, et. al., could have been included. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 20:37, 13 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I think the issue is a misunderstanding of what was described in BSG. As it was explained in BSG, the Thirteenth Tribe was composed of organic Cylons.  It's implied that they had their own Cylon Centurions that rebelled, and caused the eradication of the original Cylons.  The Original/Final Five were able to survive by downloading.  They then travelled at sub-light speed to the Twelve Colonies, because they knew that humans would continue making artificial intelligence and they wanted to warn them to treat them well.  Because the trip took thousands of years, they were too late, and the First Cylon War had already begun.  This explanation is also in line with the whole "This has happened before, this will happen again" theme of the fourth season.  They never got into a full history of how the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons came to be, but it was made clear that they were developed separately and independently from the Twelve Colony Cylons.  So, Caprica doesn't negate BSG, it simply describes how the Twelve Colony Cylons were created.  It has nothing to do with the Thirteenth Tribe Cylons.G1811 (talk) 17:43, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Copyedit
Per the tag, I copyedited this. It was quite a mess. It is now shorter and quite different. Many points are still not linked to a specific episode, but I must leave that to an expert. Feedback encouraged. Cheers! Lfstevens (talk) 07:29, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Fancruft rant...
I don't get why this crap was allowed on Wikipedia in the first place. Wikia is specifically made for things like this. They don't belong in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia as a whole needs to undergo a period of extreme deletionist policy. The amount of poor articles on unneccessary topics is staggering. If the energy spent on this crap were invested in improving actual encyclopedic content, great things would happen. Pariah24 ┃ ☏  23:11, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Cylon (1978)
No need to have 3 separate articles on Cylons in the same way you don't need 3 on Daleks Ethanpet113 (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Klbrain (talk) 19:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)