Talk:Cylvia Hayes

Suggestions
This East Oregonian story is significant and should be incorporated as a reference -- according to Willamette Week, "The screw tightened Jan. 27 after reporter Hillary Borrud of EO Media Group/Pamplin Media Group revealed Hayes had been paid $118,000 in consulting fees in 2011 and 2012 while working in the governor’s office. The money came from a now-defunct nonprofit that had interest in the energy plan Hayes worked on for Kitzhaber. (That money is in addition to $85,000 in contracts she had received in 2013.)"

Also, the lead section of this article does little to capture the aspects of Hayes' career that have thrust her into the public eye -- it should be rewritten. -Pete (talk) 19:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. I didn't rewrite anything, but added to the end of the intro about scandals. Thoughts? Does it need more revision? --Kbabej (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me, thanks! I'll circle back to the East Oregonian thing in a day or two if nobody gets there first. -Pete (talk) 19:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Also..the LA Times and other national outlets are starting to pick up the story, and bringing other expert commentators into the mix. -Pete (talk) 17:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The KOIN article citing an on-going ethics probe is unverified and probably should not be used. While the article "Source: FBI looking into Cylvia Hayes" exists, it claims the Willamette Week as a source for the information. However, the linked source article is the WW home page, not a source. I suggest removing the information or sourcing the original WW article. 216.3.101.62 (talk) 00:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Bend Bugle
As far as I can tell, the Bend Bugle is an online news site, which doesn't rule out it being a reliable source, but I couldn't find any sources to independently verify even its existence in order to write an article about it. I'd like to see another source added for Hayes' change in party affiliation, and definitely remove the redlink to the website in the body of the article. The Bulletin is the newspaper of record for Deschutes County. I'll fix it when I get a minute, but I wanted to outline my objection to the source here. Valfontis (talk) 23:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I did more searching and couldn't find anything about who runs the Bend Bugle. I found one mention of the Bugle in the Bulletin re: a trial where So-and-so brought in as evidence an article from the Bugle and an article from the Bulletin. I imagine the election info cited using the Bugle can be found behind a paywall for the Bulletin. If someone has access to newspaper archives via their library, could they look? Because I may not get around to it. In the meantime, I'm going to remove the Bugle mention in the article (My bias: I kinda hate the "according to" construction unless the info is controversial) and just leave the citation. Valfontis (talk) 16:15, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Daily Mail and doc cloud doc
Context and more context

Can we consider these reliable sources? Valfontis (talk) 15:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The Daily Mail is a tabloid, and I treat their reliability on a situational basis. I definitely don't think its assertions should be given undue weight. -Kudzu1 (talk) 17:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Scandal article?
I'm starting to suspect that per WP:SPINOFF, a separate article should be created to collect all of the information about the scandal that has now forced Governor Kitzhaber from office. A basic overview, plus the third-marriage and marijuana-grow stuff, would remain on this page (as well as on John Kitzhaber), but with the state attorney general opening up a criminal investigation, a federal subpoena, and now the governor's resignation, I think there may be enough substance for the scandal to be covered on its own page. Thoughts? -Kudzu1 (talk) 02:30, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * A separate article may be better since "Controversy" sections are generally discouraged on BLPs. The ‘Controversies’ section here was added by user Kbabej who has since been blocked from Wikipedia for abusively using multiple accounts. There is an example of another Controversy section that was removed in the revision commentary on profile “Kate Brown” by Drmies at 20:28, 18 February 2015: "...we discourage "controversy" sections. BLP violation). Controversy sections are against Wikipedia general policy.” This could be solved with a separate article or integrating the information into the "Political Career" section. 216.3.101.62 (talk) 00:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

College graduation dates
Not very important but
 * one source says Hayes graduated with a bachelor's degree in 1995 The Oregonian
 * one source says Hayes graduated with a bachelor's degree in 1994 Willamette Week 108.27.38.227 (talk) 04:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The college she attended says '94. I think we can consider that the horse's mouth. Valfontis (talk) 05:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I would trust the college on this point, yes. -Kudzu1 (talk) 07:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Pull quotes in citations
Do we really need to put all the pull quotes in the citations? Is there a guideline for that? Valfontis (talk) 05:38, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Getting some PR help?
It's possible the article now needs to be looked over for POV after the additions made today. I reverted one set of revisions that removed some cited info and played down some of the recent controversy. Also, I'm not so sure we should be using the "document cloud" legal documents as a source as was done in the edits I reverted, they were already removed once about the same time we removed the Daily Mail tabloid stuff. Valfontis (talk) 04:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * They shouldn't be used per WP:PRIMARY and WP:RS. -Kudzu1 (talk) 05:40, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Political Career
At the beginning of "Political Career" the WW is cited for Hayes moving to Tumalo. The cited article "Oregon First Lady Cylvia Hayes' Undisclosed Third Marriage Was to 18-Year-Old Immigrant" only says, "that summer, Hayes moved to Bend by herself." Another WW article, "First Lady Inc.," is more vague: "in the late 1990s, she relocated to Bend." There is no mention of Tumalo so this sentence needs proper citation. 216.3.101.62 (talk) 00:07, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Photo
, Just an opinion but I think the previous photo was better given how much visual clutter there is in the new photo. Graywalls (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't feel too strongly about it. I thought about that, felt that the more direct/neutral shot was better, but...meh. Revert if you like. Pete Forsyth (talk) 04:33, 13 October 2023 (UTC)