Talk:Cymbeline (radar)

FV436
FV436 was an SP version of Green Archer, it was notable for having the crew compartment cut away and the radar mounted on what was the floor. The same configuration was adopted by various European armies with Green Archer mounted on M113. However, FV436 never entered UK service, and as far as is known no more than two prototypes were built.

Cymbeline Mk 2 was never called FV 436, it was mounted on the roof of a standard FV432. The only 'permanent' vehicle modifications were to the hinged flaps (ie easilty changed fittings) that covered the circular opening in the roof of the hull. This modification was the three-point mercury floating (ie self-levelling) mounting the mercury 'pots' being inside the vehicle, and cable ingress.

The User Handbook refers only to FV432 and writing from personal and first hand knowledge this what it was called when it entered service.

Refering to Cymbeline Mk 2 as FV 436 is a common mistake that has no basis in reliable official sources.Nfe (talk) 10:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

There's a photo of a real FV436 (MoD copyright) in Chamberlain & Ellis "Modern Brtish Tanks and Fighting Equipment", Arms & Armour Press, 1970, SBN 85368 026 4. It shows the hull cut way from between the 4th and 5th road wheels rearwards, this is where the radar is mounted.

The number FV436 was reassigned in the 1980s to a Command and Control variant of FV432, these were used by brigade and divisional HQ staffs, they were modified in Germany by local German companies under local purchase arrangements (ie the cost was minimised and the work done quickly). The changes included internal fittings and various new holes through the hull for power and communications cables. Cymbeline Mk 2 on its FV432 was in service at the same period as FV436, having entered service about 7 years earlier.Nfe (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * On my Atillery Intelligence course (Spring '81), we taught that the Cymbeline Radar on an FV430 series chassis was an FV436. We also told to teach this information during our vehicle recognition lessons. If there's no written evidence for this just leave it like it is. Never heard that about the command posts though - must be after my time ;-) TINY  MARK  16:01, 20 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The 'FV432 with Cymbeline' was developed as a replacement for the 'FV436 Self-Propelled Mortar Locating Radar'. One of the FV436 examples built had the army registration 03 DA 19.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.50.207 (talk) 09:32, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Also used by IDF from 1977 to the early 90s
Used especially in Lenanon during the 80s'. 194.90.89.5 (talk) 23:38, 28 September 2023 (UTC)