Talk:Cypress Park, Los Angeles

Kuhen murder
I have reverted a user named Flyl03 several times due to BLP issues - if there is significant doubt about the Stephanie Kuhen story being true, then the media would report on it. WhisperToMe (talk) 18:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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 * Why the murder a important history of Cypress Park? Cypress Park has no other history? Ucla90024 (talk) 00:11, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It has other history; it's that one has to ADD the history. Clearly the murder is important as it gave a bad image to Cypress Park in the 1990s. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * While it's certianly understandable you don't want the history of your community or the content of this page to based soley on this incident, Wikipedia is not a PR outlet where only the good and shiney factoids are to represented. The murder was tragic, but the reason it deserves to be here is it had national signifigance due to the President of the United States siting it as the last straw and pouring federal money into anti-gang measures in L.A.


 * Yes. Whispertome, this tragic murder of a child occurred in Cypress Park, now about 24 years ago and resulted in a sensational national news story. And yes, I am quite certain the circumstances surrounding this event were NOT as depicted in newspaper articles or other news media.  Living in this neighborhood I have heard multiple and conflicting accounts of what occurred, and if you know anything about gangs and the inner-city, getting people to come forward with the truth is usually next to impossible.  But of course the media jumped on this.  "Child killed in gang shootout!"  It's this fixation with the cheap and sensational that I expect Wikipedia to be above.

What I find truly offensive and inappropriate in your persistent posting of this is:

1) While this 24-year-old shooting is tragic, it is HARDLY definitive of Cypress Park -- an economically struggling but wonderful neighborhood which you are harming by perpetuating a non-neutral and sensational association with gangs and violence which happens to fall into the "if it bleeds it leads" school of journalism.

This is a notable event with some cloudy details that did occur in this neighborhood, but it is NOT the defining event for the neighborhood that you present it to be, and I would argue it not appropriate for this page where people want an overview of the neighborhood, not a biased association implying that the neighborhood is bad or high crime or gang ridden, etc. At best, this should be a small footnote way at the bottom of the page.

2) You continually place your paragraph about the "sensational gang murder" at the top of the article right after the description of Cypress Park as a neighborhood in Los angeles and the table of contents.

This placement clearly implies this is of primary importance and is somehow highly definitive of Cypress Park. You think this should be the first thing someone reads if they want information on Cypress Park, and if so, how is that not biased? I do not believe writing about the most awful and sensational event that ever happened in an economically distressed, but gentrifying inner-city neighborhood serves the interests of neutrality, the residents of Cypress Park, or the Wikipedia community.

Cypress Park is a 100 year-old neighborhood of over 15,000 residents and should not be defined in Wikipedia by a small handful of violent incidents...And as you can see by other people repeatedly deleting your posts, I am not alone in my views. Hurleyvillain (talk) 17:34 8 May 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 00:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC).

I am going to ask that you stop removing the mention of the incident, as I have reliable sources to prove the connection to the neighborhood and the significance of the incident. With that settled: WhisperToMe (talk) 19:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 1. This was not just "a tragic murder of a child" - this was an incident of national significance, which caused Bill Clinton to announce major anti-gang action and for Los Angeles to crack down. That is the significance of the Stephanie Kuhen incident.
 * 2. Yes, Cypress Park has a long history. Why not find a source that can describe the rest of the history. In the meantime, I will put an expansion needed tag on the history. I must also add that while one should cover the Stephanie Kuhen case, it cannot be expanded upon too much because 1. The case has its own Wikipedia article and 2. The case should not dominate a final history page. The article is not saying that this is the only event of significance in Cypress Park. Instead the history section is incomplete, and more needs to be added.
 * 3. The Wikipedia article on journalism says: "Journalism is the production of news reports and editorials through media such as newspapers, magazines, radio, television and the Internet." - Wikinews is for doing news reports. Wikipedia is the online encyclopedia bit. Especially when you consider that the Kuhen case happened around 14 years ago.
 * 4. Wikipedia covers everything, including the good, the bad, and the ugly about each neighborhood.
 * 5. If Cypress Park residents or other people said, in a media publication, explicitly that the shooting does not represent Cypress Park, etc., then we can add that in the article. We can say "XX of YY said Z" - But if you personally feel that way, we cannot add that into the article because that would be conducting Original research, and that is not allowed.
 * EDIT: I found more about this, and this case was a point of contention for Cypress Park residents in particular: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/21372276.html?dids=21372276:21372276&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Sep+25%2C+1995&author=GEORGE+RAMOS&pub=Los+Angeles+Times+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Getting+Past+the+Anger+in+Cypress+Park&pqatl=google WhisperToMe (talk) 20:00, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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