Talk:Czechs/Archive 1

In Germany
Are there only about 50.000 Czechs in Germany? Is this correct? This number is far less than in the US and even Canada! Meursault2004 15:52, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

There are far more Czechs in US and Canada than in Germany, thats for sure. But whether the number 50.000 is correct or not, I cannot say. It also depends how a "Czech" is defined - I guess that the North American population also includes the descendants of Czech immigrants from 19th century, while the Czech communities in Europe clearly count only those, who were born with Czech citizenship and speak Czech as their mother tongue. In 1945 about 3 millions of German-speaking Czechoslovak citizens were expelled to Gemany for their support of Adolf Hitler. I dont think these people are counted in the mentioned 50.000. Historically there was no significant immigration from Bohemia to Germany. It will be interesting to know the numbers of "Czechs" in Austria- Bohemia was part of Austrian empire for almost 400 years. Today many Czechs have German names and many Austrians have Czech names - former president Klestil or former prime minister Klima to name a few. Xmort 17:00, 7 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I would have expected that there would be many more Czechs in Germany and I don't mean the Sudeten Germans. There are many millions of Poles or German of Polish descent. BTW is Václav Klaus of German ancestry? Thank you for your reaction! Meursault2004 18:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

No, neither Vaclav Klaus nor any other present day politician is of (substantial) German ancestry. At least as far as I know. There is still quite a few voters, for whom such an origin will pose a problem. Again it depends on definition - at the begining of the 20th century approximately 1/3 of the population in Prague spoke German at home. Basically in every family which lives in Prague since then you can find somebody who was "German" based just on language. Xmort 23:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * There are also many czechs in the U.S. today. There are even some female models and actors that are czechs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.199.24.34 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Canada
How come there are two entries for Canada, with different figures ? Must be a mistake somewhere. -- PFHLai 04:33, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * There are still two entries for Canada. What's with that? Tedernst 13:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There are STILL 2 entries for Canada... Mrbowtie 17:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Way to change images on refresh
Is there a way to change the images on refreshing the page?

Image
The image used in this page (Image:Czhs2.JPG) will soon be deleted because it's a montage consisting of both public domain and fair use images (the upper left hand corner image, which is Image:Karel capek.jpg, is fair use--see the image use policy for the relevant rule). Would someone be willing to make a new one using all public domain images? Commons:Category:Czech people might be useful--any of those images would be fine. Thanks. Chick Bowen 23:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Taken care of by User:ImageRepairer. Chick Bowen 03:52, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Atrocious template and invalid data too
The visual look of the template had turned the article into bad joke.

Futhermore, the number of "Czechs" in the USA (over million) is bogus. Having Czech ancetry doesn't make one Czech, having some romantic attachment (currently so much in vogue) neither. Estimated number of people in the USA who know Czech language at some level are tens of thousands (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Rep.), number of people active in Czech organisation in the USA are thousands (list of organisations).

As for the other numbers: they mix together people living for long or short time abroad (say in the UK) with long time emigrants from modern era (say in South Africa) with people whose ancestors had emigrated centuries ago (say in Ukraine).

Most of the informatin from the tamplate should be moved into section of its own and given context. Pavel Vozenilek 13:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Buddhists?
I want to comment the statement Most are atheists, however a large percent are Christians (both Catholic and Protestant) and there is a small and growing number of (surprisingly) Buddists..

Are you sure that there are more Buddhists than for example Muslims and Hinduists in Czech Republic? I am a Czech and I met very few Buddhists.


 * According to census (2001) this is not true at all. I corrected this information in the article back to correct values. Tulkolahten 14:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I would suspect this was somebody's ill-informed assumption based on the highly visible and growing Chinese and Vietnamese minorities in some parts of the country and the misguided belief that all East Asians are Buddhists. --JamesTheNumberless 15:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

VANDALISM of putting Czechs' ethnicity as ethnic Lechs
West Slavic peoples are not equal with West Slavic languages because all Slavic peoples used more or less the same Slavic language 1000 years ago and were already partitioned into these western, southern and eastern groups. We Slavic peoples call these ethnic partitions amongst us Slavic peoples for "Lechs" (ethnic Western Slavic peoples), "Czechs" (ethnic Southern Slavic peoples) and "Rusins" (ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples) for a good reason. Common sense tells one that if even Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Southern Slavic peoples by their ethnicity. Pan Piotr Glownia 22:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Lechs, Czechs and Rusins <- the missing major ethnic information about Slavic peoples
Ethnic West Slavic peoples are not equal with West Slavs as it seems and Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples are not equal with South Slavs. Slavic languages 1000 years ago were still quite similiar to eachother and not like it is today. However even from earlier times Slavic peoples had these ethnic partitions amongst Slavic peoples. "Lechs" stand for Ethnic Western Slavic peoples, "Czechs" stand for Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples and "Rusins" stand for Ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples. This is major partition amongst Slavic peoples and it is not based on language, but on ethnicity. Even if Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples by their ethnicity. Czechs during entire written history never were ethnic Lechs like Poles. Every historical source is certain on this issue. It is possible that this ethnic partition is even older then any possible differentiation of Proto-Slavic language. I direct you to "Lech%2C Czech and Rus", which is part of Slavic spoken history as well as historical and traditional ethnic partition on Lechs, Czechs and Rusins used amongst Slavic people by the Slavic peoples. Every dictionary and lecture commenting this ethnic partition will ensure that Czechs were always adressed as "Czechs" and not like Poles "Lechs". Czechs and Poles do belong to different ethnic groups otherwise one had to put Czechs and Poles together with Belarusians and Ukrainians into the same Western Slavic ethnicity, as the Lechs, the Czechs and the Rusins originate from the same ethnic origin, which probably used the same proto-Slavic language. All historical sources begining from XIII century ("Chronicle of Greater Poland" written in year 1295) prove it to be the general ethnic partition used by Slavic peoples in Europe. Pan Piotr Glownia 15:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I should also point out that LANGUAGE DOES NOT EQUAL BLOOD. It is a common fallacy (for which I suppose we have linguistic nationalism to thank). I apologise for having little constructive to add other than this: a couple people who know very messy topic well should develop a section that portrays all sides of the issue. Adam Mathias 04:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite needed
The article is not very good and was obviously worked on by someone with subpar English skills. I tried corrected some of the obvious grammatical errors (including removing the terminal clause of the follownig sentence: "The Luxembourg dynasty represents the heights of Czech (Bohemian) statehood territorial and influence as well as advancement in many areas of human endeavors and catching up with Europe and be part of European leading trends," but sentences of this sort plague the article. Being no expert in Czech history or culture I'm afraid I can't make a meaningful contribution to the article but would appreciate it if someone with the knowledge who is more fluent in English would work on this. Inoculatedcities 22:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I was also disappointed, mostly just with the length. A good starting point would be the German article for basic facts, and the Croatian one for a good overview of culture and history complete with photographs. Really, I came to this page expecting something quite long - I am quite disappointed. Czechs are a medium-sized nation and compared to Ukrainians or Yugoslavs or Austrians relatively well-defined historically. I really don't know this area but I would say some Czech should take this on, and don't worry about English mistakes - just ask someone (for instance me) for a review. Adam Mathias 04:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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"related groups" info removed from infobox
For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all Infobox Ethnic group infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Informations to the "Lager Hodolein" near Olomouc ("Olmütz") in 1946
I am looking für the article Dr. Walter Staffa in the german Wikipedia for informations to the Hodolein-camp near Olomouc (in this time called too Olmütz). Which persons where in the camp? Normal members of the german "Wehrmacht", normal people called "Sudetendeutsche", or members of organisations of Konrad Henlein oder NSDAP-members? Any information is warmly welcomed. Please inform me in the '''german" Wikipedia, under member "Nup". Thanks!

Nup (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== Request for help for the article about the far right Dr. "Walter Staffa"; Nürtingen, Germany, and the article "Deutsches Seminar" (a extrem right organisation) and the article "Sudetendeutsche" in the german wikipedia - revisionistic difficulties in case of my edits there ==

Please help to let win the truth in this articles. Look the german Wikipedia under "Walter Staffa", "Olomouc", "Deutsches Seminar" and "Sudetendeutsche". Look to my edits and my diffulties. Please contact and/or help me, but under the german "Wikipedia", I am there "Nup" too!

Thanks Nup (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)