Talk:DARPA Falcon Project

Removing POV tag
I am removing the "this neutrality is disputed" tag, as the user who added it gave no rational as to its addition. If any reason why the neutrality of the article should be disputed are given, please discuss them here on the talk page.--Sp. Furius Fusus 22:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Isinglass and Rheinberry
These subjects are presented without any source or additional information to provide evidence to their existence. The sentence that references them should also be corrected for structure and punctuation. 170.35.224.64 14:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

2 videos of HTV-3
I'd like to share 2 videos of the HTV-3 I've found on YouTube. They appear to be a promotional video from DARPA, divided into 2 parts by the uploader.


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM_XTwtfSgo
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MhtLWB0dJ8

What do you think of these videos? Do you know where the original (uncut) video can be downloaded from? Should these 2 videos be added to the "External links" section of the article, with a sub-header called "Video links"? --  Henrickson  User talk 05:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I took screencaps of Part 2 and added them into the article. --  Henrickson  User talk 23:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Those video appear to be official from DARPA, making them works on the US government and public domain. Maybe those videos are on darpa.mil.  I'm not finding any videos there yet. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Make "blackswift" link to this article
If you type blackswift in the wiki search box, nothing comes up. Surely this is the best place to come? -ggm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.69.148 (talk) 05:19, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Searching on "Blackswift" (upper case B) worked. -Fnlayson (talk) 06:07, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Images are Renders
It should be noted that all images shown in this article are 3d conceptual renders, and and not real photographs. Skaz (talk) 21:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Rename proposal
The current name, "Force Application and Launch from Continental United States", is quite cumbersome and really doesn't reflect the most common way the program is referred to either by DARPA, the contractors nor by the major media. Therefore, I propose renaming this article DARPA Falcon. Comments?  AK Radecki Speaketh  05:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I say FALCON Project. --  Henrickson  User talk 06:14, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd considered that, too, and I'd still be open to it, except that none of the literature actually uses all caps, as if it was an acronym. MOS would suggest the most common usage, especially in this case, the most common by the official agency. Thoughts?  AK Radecki Speaketh  20:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Why did you call it "DARPA Falcon Project" while the USAF is also involved? --84.63.127.178 (talk) 11:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Because that's what all the sources call it. While the USAF is involved to a degree, DARPA is the project's sponsor and funder. It's like saying that a 747 is a Boeing even though there are other companies involved in its production.  AK Radecki Speaketh  14:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

(Deindent) I've now renamed this, and reworded the intro to reflect it. As I'm getting ready to add more content on the Falcon launch system development, I've come to realize that all the material I've come across on Blackswift refers to this as a separate follow-on project, rather than part of the Falcon project. As the refs seem to support this view, I propose splitting off the majoritiy of the Blackswift text into its own article, while leaving a brief summary here. Any objections?  AK Radecki Speaketh  18:37, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * There seems to be different project, but I'm not clear on it. Splitting off Blackswift seems reasonable if there's enough info.  If there's not enough to make a long stub of an article with enough Falcon info left here, Bleckswift should stay here in a seperate section, imo.  -Fnlayson (talk) 18:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Reorganizing
I tried reorganizing the main section in this article so it is generally in chronological order as I understand it. The background/cost section is long and seems to ramble a bit. -Fnlayson (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good. I've got some good sourced data to add, just haven't had the time, what with the WK2 rollout and trying to write about it.  AK Radecki Speaketh  17:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

X-41
In the article it is said that the X-41 already flew in 2005? Is that true? What's the source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.127.178 (talk) 18:37, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfocused -- HTV-2?
The article as written is very confusing, with a good mix of alphabet soup and unclear emphasis. Which probably just reflects the project as it exists. But I think that now that the HTV-2 has actually flown, whereas the HTV-3X has been cancelled, the article should be changed to focus more on the HTV-2, which isn't even pictured in the article as it stands, whereas we have several renders of the cancelled HTV-3X. Alternately a new article could be budded off for the HTV-2 since it now seems more important than the rest of the project. I don't believe the existing article titled HTV-2 refers to the same craft since it is Japanese rather than American, but this is all rather unclear to me. -- Kevin Saff (talk) 23:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * This article could probably be organized better, sure. There does not seem to be enough detailed public info and images on the HTV-2/HCV currently to split off a separate article that is more than a stub.  Yes, HTV-2 covers an unrelated Japanese spacecraft that will resupply the International Space Station. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

This article is still written as though a C high school student slapped it together on the bus the morning it was due! I cannot believe there isn't more interest in this project, it makes me wonder if there is another Wiki-article on the subject under a different name??--75.17.204.201 (talk) 23:46, 29 August 2011 (UTC) Boar.

Approximate size and weight
Can somebody mention any known basic physical information about the tested aircraft? Nobody can tell from the article whether these things are two feet long or 200 feet long, for instance. Thanks. CountMacula (talk) 01:04, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Source
Here is a source with some decent context on the program, as of the day before the test flight of the second HTV-2: Wired Magazine. Cheers. N2e (talk) 03:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Second Test flight delayed
Due to weather at the Pacific test range, the test flight of the second HTV vehicle has been delayed:   N2e (talk) 04:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Article: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-08-hypersonic-glider-contact-lost.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.41.63 (talk) 22:13, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Second HTV-2 crashed


 * So? That's covered in this article already. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

US Army completes successful hypersonic glide vehicle test
Is the US Army Hypersonic Weapon related to DARPA Falcon? The Advanced Hypersonic Weapon is currently redirected to the DARPA Falcon Project page.

However, it appears there may be two of these so-called "Advanced Hypersonic Weapon (AHW)" concepts. In addition to DARPA's two trials (2010 and 2011) of the DARPA Falcon, it appears the US Army has a different project of its own, and appears to have successfully completed a hypersonic glide test in the upper atmosphere: U.S. Army Successfully Tests Advanced Hypersonic Glide Vehicle, reported in the news on 18 Nov 2011. Are these programs directly related? Or might the Army's version of such a hypersonic weapon warrant a new article page of its own? Cheers. N2e (talk) 04:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅. Redirect has been changed to Prompt Global Strike by User:Fnlayson, wikiquick!  N2e (talk) 06:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I was going to reply about that today. I don't see a solid enough connection between Falcon and AHW to mention the latter here.  But then I know very little about AHW... -Fnlayson (talk) 15:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. I have not yet seen a source with any explanation of the relatedness, or non-relatedness, of Falcon with the AHW.  N2e (talk) 19:55, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * both programs are funded by OSD under the same SES..major difference is ours works! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.8.126 (talk) 16:53, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

word
there is no "retitle" word in english — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.25.49.46 (talk) 22:07, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

signature
what general signed DARPA_Falcon_Project for the army?188.25.49.46 (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Removed NPOV terminology
"...spaceplane projects swallowed $4 billion in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s" 

Yes, and public education swallows hundreds of billions of dollars per year... "Swallows" is someone's unfavorable description of a fact (an expenditure). Please describe the facts first, then perhaps quote (as the article does) any noteworthy, reliably-sourced opinions of said facts (the program expenditures). Thank you. Unimaginative Username (talk) 07:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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This is obviously the Aurora project
This project matches the exact description of the Aurora project (more authentic description here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7ssFbqjbY ). So much so that it's clearly the same thing. I understand that the US Government has people working to "wash" Wikipedia pages, removing uncomfortable information and tailoring the pages to fit the US narrative. And looking at the "hidden categories" for this article it is obvious that it is being monitored (Hello US Army!). But this is such an obvious and now declassified truth that I am surprised they would even try to censor it. What are they afraid of now? Giving any acknowledgement or credibility to the people who spotted the prototypes way back in the 90s? Your censorship is showing, and it's not looking good for you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.209.63.246 (talk) 20:42, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Should not be redirect for Small launch vehicle
This article should not be the redirect for "Small Launch Vehicle". Geoffrey.landis (talk) 15:21, 13 June 2022 (UTC)