Talk:DHL/Archive 1

Initial text
Anyone interested can try to incorporate this news item into this article. Kingturtle 03:47, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It appears that your link has broken... Hortont424 03:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Overview
DHL is in fact well known for shipping to 'obscure' and 'risky' places like Iraq and Burma. DHL's competition, however, doesn't ship to these countries not because it's 'obscure' or 'risky' but because its 'unethical'.


 * Do you have a source for this claim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.103.21 (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

DHL has been buying out rival firms, letting staff go and hiring cheaper labour. An easy way to stop competitors.

East Africa info
The information about East African buses is too vague and disorganized to be in an article -- but it could certainly spice up this entry. Does anyone have a source for it?

DHL bus
After perusing a lot of information about DHL, my theory is that the "DHL bus" referred to is just a regular courier van that might take passengers on occasion. I added a link to an article about DHL courier service in Toronto and Dublin that mentions a "DHL bus", but I've found no further, more specific description.Her Pegship 19:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Government Ownership
Doesn't the Germany government own or subsidize a certain % of the company?


 * Kreditanstalt für Wiederaufbau, which is a state-owned bank holds 45% of the parent company.
 * 35,5% (see Deutsche Post) --84.163.87.182 14:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

DHL aviation
This page says DHL doesn't own DHL aviation, but the DHL Aviation page says it does. Which one is correct? Benandorsqueaks 00:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I may be wrong, but I think DHL Aviation became Astar Air Cargo when Deutsche Post acquired DHL. Richmd 15:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Global players like DPWN/DHL are always confusing when it comes to the names of legal entities and those of divisions. Many-to-many relationships between divisions and legal entities are also common. DHL Aviation is a division of DPWN/DHL handling DHL Express (another division) shipments sent by air. DHL Aviation sites can be found in airports and are designated as 'HUBs'. DHL Aviation sites act as ground handlers and sort the shipments after unloading inbound planes --from whatever plane carrying DHL Express goods-- and before loading outbound planes. Astar Air Cargo bought the airliner part of DHL Airways Inc. in the US and has (or had) DPWN/DHL as one of it's customers. DPWN/DHL currently still owns four airliners as one can read on their website.--TheHerm 18:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

XBOX Account
Should it be mentioned that DHL was dropped by Microsoft as their shipper for Xbox 360 repairs because of numerous reported thefts of consoles?


 * This information is irrelevant. It is most likely unscrupulous truck drivers causing these items to go missing, rather than corporate policy of DHL! --Celardore 19:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Loomis
Isn't it strange that the merger with Loomis is not mentioned anywhere in the article? Themindset 22:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've not heard any news about Loomis... I've never even heard of the company, what region are we talking?  I work for DHL in Britain and I've not heard a thing about that.  The Exel deal is the big thing at the moment it seems.


 * Loomis is a courier service which operated in Canada. It was acquired by DHL a few years ago (exact year?). Try www.lomis.com and you'll be redirected to dhl.ca Tomj 00:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

DHL
What is not mentioned is that DHL International stood for Documents Handling Limited. Corporation in the US, which was founded first did not though.
 * A quick google suggests that Document Handling Limited was founded in 1970 - 1 year later than DHL. Celardore 07:16, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

+++What is full form of DHL then?+++ What does DHL stand for then???


 * DHL Stands for Dalsey, Hilbloom, and Lynn, The founders of DHL. Dalsey and Hilbloom worked for the same forwarding company in San Fransisco and both recognized the need for an express document service ( in 1969 there was no FedEx and UPS only did parcels) By chance Dalsey and Hilbloom ran into each other in the parking lot of a grocery store and began talking about their respective ideas. $3000 dollars later they were in business, Lynn cam in as a financial backer a few months later, hence D - H - L.

Numbers don't match
At the end of the History section in Sept. 2005, it mentions the global DHL workforce is up to 500,000 people, while the Global facts and figures only puts it at 285,000. Any clarification? Craig R. Nielsen 16:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The actual number is 285,000 as stated in the DHL website. It's important to note that DHL alone only consists of 285,000 people, while the 500,000 figure includes sister companies and the entire DPWN network. refer:- --60.50.250.12 02:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

dropped outsourcing section
I've dropped the entire outsourcing section. The section discusses a single internal software application which has been outsourced to Wipro. To me, the whole thing sounded like a Wipro advertisement. This was aggrevated by the fact that the editor who added the section logged in from Wipro itself. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 01:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia
*A popular youth game is to punch someone close to you when you spot a DHL vehicle. This sounds plausible. I know a variant where any yellow vehicle is grounds for a punch, and in American I believe VW Beetles are used(presumably becuase they have so many yellow taxis). boffy_b 12:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Isn't there a DHL truck in episode 9 of Neon Genesis Evangelion (and tons of DHL boxes with asuka's stuff in them)?

NHS Supply Chain
I work for NHS Supply Chain. I have never had any official confirmation where the initial warehouse is going to be, or if there is going to be a second. If there is a source for this please add it to the page. KJNPBR 19:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

You'll get used to that working for DHL, communication is poor. It should perhaps be noted that a number of DHL (formally Securicor) sites in this region were told they would be merging about 7 years ago and are still waiting. Countdiso 11:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that Countdiso. I notice that the source doesn't state where the new warehouses are going to be, and I've had rumours that the first is going to be near Nuneaton and not M1/M62 as stated (we've already got one on Normanton). Therefore I'm going to remove the location detail on the paragraph. KJNPBR 09:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and 100 yards down the same road in Normanton is another DHL site. As well as 2 more sites on the same industrial estate. You see the sense in them combining. I'll try and scan some of the DHL newsletters and up load them. Countdiso 13:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Exdhl.com
I know of someone who works for an IC (Independent Contractor), and can attest that DHL, in its current incarnation, has continued the practice of its predecessor, Airborne Express, in defrauding the ICs. Excluding this information does a disservice by eliminating a valuable inside perspective as to how DHL operates in terms of financing its contractors. Numerous ICs have gone bankrupt over the years, due as much to misrepresentation on DHLs part as to financial mismanagement on the ICs part, which is again due to underfunding for the current operational costs of running a DHL IC station. DHL presently treats its ICs, much like Airborne Express, as company entities rather than independent contractors, and maintains the legal fiction that they are ICs so that they can continue to underpay the ICs well below what they would pay for a company station, whose workers enjoy greater pay and benefits. Furthermore, the term "Quack site" is a misnomer, as the site contains considerable legal documentation that pertains to the struggle between ICs who have left the DHL fold and DHL itself. There is a jocular and juvenile tone to many of the posts in exdhl.com, which reflects the disportionate influence of those who dislike, and even hate DHLs practices, as well as the quality of the IC workforce (which comprises over half of DHLs workforce in the U.S.), which is both underpaid and undereducated relative to their corporate counterparts. However, whoever eliminated this link appears to have only made a cursory examination of the site and as such made a very limited judgement as to the quality of the site. Consciousnessbliss 21:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * See Biased external links below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.103.21 (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I will continue restoring the link to exdhl.com unless someone can factually dispute the allegations contained with the legal documentation concerning the class action lawsuits, or if they can summarize and link to the relevant sections within exdhl.com, which is essentially the only "clearinghouse" for that type of information. Since many of the basic facts have remained underreported (but not unsubstantiated) and since the information contained within the website is widely dispersed and requires a narrative to understand (a narrative that only becomes self-evident when one works for an IC or DHL), it's useful to preserve the link in its entirety and allow individuals to decide for themselves what's relevant and what's not. Morever, if one wishes, one can verify the facts by either following up on the legal documentation or working for an IC (independent contractor), in which case it will become very clear how DHL operates.Consciousnessbliss 07:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Biased external links
Both the exdhl.com and The Myth of DHL Customer Service links should be removed. They are extremely biased and contain almost no verifiable facts (especially the latter). They are basically saying 'DHL sucks' and as such are inappropriate in an encyclopedia. A link to information concerning the class action suit described on exdhl.com might be ok as long as we don't have to wade through pages of smoking monkeys and WW1 references to find facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.103.21 (talk) 11:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

While I can't attest to the quality of the latter, I can say that exdhl.com should be required reading insofar as examining and understanding the relationship between DHL USA and its ICs (Independent Contractors), who have been, and continue to be systematically defrauded. This isn't hearsay, this is fact, and if you read through the legal documentation you will clearly see that it has been established in a court of law, over and over again, that DHL has defrauded its contractors, continuing the practice of its predecessor, Airborne Express. It is true that there is a considerable amount of what you could term "whining" that essentially consists of repeating the same mantra, "DHL Sucks". However, due to the widely dispersed nature of the posted legal documentation within the website itself, (and the short attention span of the general public in reading through such documentation), you might understand that it's difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, fact from opinion, and legal documentation from idle speculation. If you would like to try to break down the information in the exdhl.com website into multiple links, then by all means exert yourself. However, since it is an external link, and there is no "opinion" as to the quality of the aforementioned website mentioned within the body of the Wiki article, it would better to retain the link unless the link itself can be separated into relevant multiple links that point to the class action lawsuits, as well as a summary of the history of the class action lawsuit within the DHL article. I posted the link with the assumption that those with spirited minds would be able to quickly discern between fact and opinion, and arrive at their own conclusion, and clearly you seem to be able to do so, which in a sense confirms the validity of posting the link and the reason for not removing it at all. Consciousnessbliss 06:53, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

William Armsted Robinson
No mention of him in the article?......Paul venter 12:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

He was a sexual pervert just like Hillblom —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.185.252 (talk) 20:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Mid-air collision
2002: Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937, a Tupolev Tu-154 passenger jet, collided with a DHL Boeing 757 at 35,000 ft over Überlingen, Germany, due to a miscommunication between the pilots of Flight 2937 and Swiss air traffic control.


 * According to [Bashkirian_Airlines_Flight_2937], the miscommunications occured between the DHL aeroplane and the ATC, not between the Tupolev and ATC. The Tupolev indeed followed ATC instruction, but the DHL's Boeing didn't manage to contact the ATC, because of radio congestion and the fact that the controller was busy at another workstation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vt (talk • contribs) 17:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Grail or Gremlin?
the DHL page states that Iraqi insurgents fired a 'Grail' Surface to Air missile at the cargo plane. On the other hand, the phugoid article states that a 'Gremlin' Surface to Air Missile hit the DHL airplane. Which is correct? It would be good to have agreement between articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolotter88 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Headquaters in Brussels
Are there really European Headquaters in Brussels? I could just find out that DHL´s European Air Transport is based at Brussels Airport, which is DHL´s European hub. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.197.16.27 (talk) 12:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Restructuring USA market
I purpose to add this current event in to this article.

DHL Turns to Rival UPS http://www.businessweek.com/managing/content/jun2008/ca20080611_101915.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_managing

Plantation-based DHL cutting 175 jobs http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/sfl-flzdhl0611sbjun11,0,6142083.story

DHL faces anti-trust probe as Ohio representatives question UPS http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2008/06/10/afx5098326.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerry1Gman (talk • contribs) 08:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

And Most Importantly DHL Express U.S. to work with UPS for North American airlift http://investors.dpwn.com/en/investoren/finanznachrichten/ad_hoc_mitteilungen/2008/dpwn_restrukturiert_us_express_geschaeft.html Jerry1Gman (talk) 10:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Exdhl again
Some folks just keep adding the link to exdhl to the external links. I'd like to keep doing that, since I honestly think the link has no constructive meaning to this article, but cannot anymore in lieu of 3RR. Anyone feel different about this link? Whale plane (talk) 20:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to remove this spam. The link is absolutely not appropriate as an external link—it is forum for negative NPOV against a company. The article is on my watchlist, so I can at least revert three more attempts at this. Arsenikk (talk)  20:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The Exdhl web site is a place for both current and former DHL employees to discuss the current situation that DHL is facing in the United States. It is VERY relevant as thousands of current DHL employees are facing layoffs as DHL continues to scale back their US operations. This is the most active site around for the sharing of information amongst DHL employees regarding current operations of DHL USA and the layoffs that are now occurring. For example, thousands have been laid off and just last week 800 DHL sales people were laid off leaving only 100 sales people for the entire country of the United States. Many of the current employees who have posted there have indicated that the exdhl site is the only source of legitimate information that they have. They are learning about call centers that will be shut down far in advance of the information coming from DHL. They are learning about stations that will be shut down before DHL makes it known to the employees. These employees deserve to know as soon as possible that their workplace(s) are being shut down, and you wish to deprive them the information concerning their livelihoods. I think you are attempting to help DHL keep their employees in the dark regarding their jobs. Idolater (talk) 22:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at External links, which provides a guideline for what can and cannot be externally linked. The above mentioned web site specifically violates the point related to unverifiable research and a specific provision to avoid linking to discussion forums. Due to this guideline we cannot link to a highly point of view forum like it. Arsenikk (talk)  19:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Innovations
Doesn't site sources for assertion that DHL has made tremendous profits while the resellers work for no money at all? This sounds like an advertisement for the resellers (spam), rather than highlighting pertinent facts about the company. In addition, DHL USA lost nearly $1 billion dollars last year, and they are losing $5 million a day, so how can this be enormously profitable for DHL (or the resellers, who seem to be working for free!)?

DHL International GmbH
DHL International GmbH is not a parent company for DHL. It is a subidiary of Deutsche Post Beteiligungen Holding GmbH, which is a subsidiary of Deutsche Post AG. As such, it is a sibling to other DHL companies such as DHL Express Germany GmbH, DHL Verwaltungs GmbH, DHL Airways GmbH, etc. It is incorrect to use DHL and DHL International GmbH as synonyms. -- ３ ２ ４ ７     (talk) 21:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Article needs language cleanup
The English in this article needs some work; much of it has German sentence structure or is an obvious translation. There are POV problems, too: parts of it read as though they were written by German DHL staff.--Rhombus (talk) 16:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

DP purchase
I always understood that DHL was privately owned before becoming part of DP. If that is the case, how did DP obtain ownership? John C Kay (talk) There's way too many bullet points in this section; it should be prose.67.190.86.13 (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Tracking Systems
A major feature of DHL (and other carriers) is the computer software essential for keeping track of individual items through the process of acquisition, manifesting at many levels, demanifesting and recording every move. There is an article "Track & Trace" but it refers mainly to labelling sytems. I know that DHL developed some pretty sophisticated systems for the purpose (I worked for DHL Systems briefly in the 80's). Is anyone out theer qualified to write an article on this topic? John C Kay (talk)

I'm in parkisthan.lahore. I need to send my laptop to my home in Sri lanka I can use your service and which amount needto to pay that.please advice me. Thanks, Thushara Menikkumbura — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.80.173 (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Headquarter (until __?)
DHL, based in Redwood City, Calif., is (now) serving 223 countries and territories (...) In 1994, when
 * Adrian Dalsey, the 'D' of DHL Worldwide Express and a pioneer in the air express industry, died on Monday at a hospital near his home here after a brief illness. From: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/15/obituaries/adrian-dalsey-80-started-dhl-express.html

I think, the place Redwood City, Calif., should be mentioned in this article. --Schwab7000 (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Ken Allen CEO of DHL Express
Apparently the CEO of the group (Deutsche Post DHL) and of the division got mixed up. Frank Appel is CEO of Deutsche Post DHL and Ken Allen is CEO of DHL Express. Could s.o. please correct the article?Website DHL - About us--Deutsche Post DHL (talk) 15:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Redirected DHL
I redirected DHL here, because it was a disambiguation page, now at DHL (disambiguation). I must say that the current situation with DHL brand articles is rather confusing. All the items on DHL (disambiguation) page are parts of DHL brand, and most of them are rather stubby (except this one). Deutsche Post article contains a short and broad overview of the DHL brand.

Perhaps a better solution is to make DHL a regular article about the DHL brand, owned by Deutsche Post, and merge short articles such as DHL Freight and DHL de Guatemala there. While the "DHL" is not formally the exact label of any legal entity anymore, it is still the most widely recognized brand, with its own history, which could make a decent overview article. No such user (talk) 10:56, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Total Confusion
Looking for information on DHL Global Mail I found my way to this article, looking through it nothing. But in the table of extended links at the bottom of the article there was a reference to Global Mail - guess what? it re-directed back here. As far as I can tell (by their web pages) DHL Express and DHL Global Mail are entirely different companies and might even be competitors despite the similar name. (they seem to behave like competitors)

Now I understand that some overzealous editor has removed the original article to DHL Global Mail but this kind of editing does not help anybody and only makes the information people actually want impossible to find. Lucien86 (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

"Public Perception"?
the facts under "Public Perception" are relevant but the title of that section sounds like something that a whiny little piss ant with an axe to grind would come up with. 107.43.193.58 (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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Wrong naming of the article
The article covers more the activities of Deutsche Post DHL Group than of DHL Express. DHL Express is only the brand for delivering international express services. Regular parcel services (especially in Germany and UK) are delivered under the DHL Parcel brand. Mail services are under the brand of Deutsche Post in Germany and UKMail in the UK, but not under the DHL express brand --Rocket1 (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2018 (UTC)