Talk:DJ AM/Archive 1

Religion
He is Jewish, this should be added to the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.230.72.70 (talk • contribs).


 * um, his name is goldstein... i think people could figure that out themselves. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.22.164.16 (talk • contribs).


 * Not all Golsteins are Jews. And besides, people can be quite oblivious sometimes.  The Jade Knight 09:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wohhh don't go there. Thats not appropriate this is not a place to fuel anti-semetism. Golfdude8000 (talk) 23:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Contrary to the discussion above, I would contend that the initial sentence, "Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to a Jewish family, Goldstein was..." is unnecessary and badly written. Other articles wouldn't have, "Born to a Christian family..." or "Born to a Black family..." By specifically pointing it out, it implies that there is something odd or unusual about having a Jewish family. There isn't and such language doesn't belong here. Unless Adam had a notable connection to Judaism, it's not appropriate to make a leading point. --HidariMigi (talk) 01:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I've again removed the unusual inclusion of "Jewish family" as per my comments above. --HidariMigi (talk) 02:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a valid reason for deleting sourced information on his background? This is part of a biographical account of this man, which includes such informaiton. Standard Wikipedia practice is to include such ethnic and or religious information. How is it that you have decided it isn't relevant. The issue is not whether he had a connection to Judaism, it is his ethnic background. Epson291 (talk) 09:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Injecting an oddly-worded note about the parents' religion and ethnicity is not "standard Wikipedia practice." Specific notation of such on individual's bios who otherwise have no notable ethnic identity is used by those who harbor animosity towards groups, such as Jews, to vilify those individuals based on their heritage-- as demonstrated by the comments that previously were in this section. In the case of DJ AM/Goldstein, while he may have been born Jewish, there is no indication that he had any notable interest or connection to his Judaism. He's not Matisyahu or a musician like Perry Farrell who's promoted a special project connected with his heritage. It's not appropriate to throw in a "born to a Jewish family" as though there's something particularly unusual about that. You can place the article in the "Jewish American musicians" category, instead of including the misplaced language in the bio. --HidariMigi (talk) 13:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Did Goldstein actually have a memorial mass before his burial in a Jewish cemetery? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.219.223.130 (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of his connection to Judaism, his Jewish ethnic background should be mentioned in this article, as it is in many other articles featuring irreligious Jews. What you have to realize is that it doesn't matter if it was his parent's religion or not, as being Jewish is separate from practicing Judaism. And by the way, he is buried in a Jewish cemetery. I have added his Jewish ethnicity in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.31.120 (talk) 02:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Reliable sources have referred to him as Jewish. Unless you have a reliable source that he didn't consider himself Jewish (which is unlikely considering he was buried in a Jewish cementary). I've readded it. - Epson291 (talk) 04:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, you can't have these Jewish categories without including sourced proof that he is Jewish within the body. Anything in the category section is an organizational system, not a place of new information. - Epson291 (talk) 14:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

$25k!!!!!
Does anyone else think this isn't worthy of mention? It's nothing compared to 'superstar DJs' such as Oakenfold, Tiesto etc, who usually command double for a set. 213.218.238.85 06:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually Tiesto takes about $100.000/hour and has a 2-hour minimum per set. But yeah, I agree with you. Adwicko (talk) 10:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes Tiesto makes way more but consider this Tiesto was voted number One DJ in DJ Mag several years in a row: DJ AM was not a huge techno DJ. Currently mostly techno DJs get paid these extreme amounts, Hip Hop, Rock, Mashup and other DJs that don't produce tons of their own tracks, or tracks and remixes for major artists do not recieve this kind of money on a normal basis. To come up from nothing and eventually make this kind of money as a DJ is still extraordinary. --VanguardReviews 10:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Jessica Stam
Is he dating her or not? I'm freaking breathless here.

2008 South Carolina Learjet 60 crash
Just started an article on the crash itself, but I'm not established enough to add the link to this article due to the semi-protection. Carolina wren (talk) 17:46, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

[http:// www.snmag.com/INTERVIEWS/Celebrity-Interviews/DJ-AM-In-It-to-Spin-It.html Saturday Night Magazine Cover Story (October 2008)] Carlasnmag (talk) 18:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please provide an actual edit you wish to make when using the template. ~  mazca  t 22:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

News of his death
Okay, obviously a tragic situation, but since when did TMZ become an appropriate source for news? That's all I see here. - eo (talk) 23:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * For those who want a more mainstream source: MSNBC Willking1979 (talk) 00:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * TMZ has been, for years now, pretty darn reliable. And being owned by Time Warner, would be another indication that they're a main player. Xmzx (talk) 05:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * True. Especially after them being the first to report Michael Jackson's death, I think they became even more reliable. Deathwish124 (talk) 13:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I personally do not feel that TMZ reports on important issues, they are the very definition of yellow journalism. However, yellow journalism is not tabloid.  They may not report on important issues, but they don't make false news, or news based on hearsay. - Mdriver1981 (talk) 03:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Adding that he suffered from "survivors guilt" is an attempt to make his death seem "heroic". He was a crack addict and had drug issues well before the learjet accident. Some of the information in here seems like it was written by a fan or a friend of Mr. Goldstein and there are NPOV issues. Bostonalex (talk) 01:01, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

- He was a recovering addict, who relapsed. He seems heroic to me, to be honest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.72.225.46 (talk) 10:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

- It provides insight into part of the reasons why he relapsed --VanguardReviews 10:14, 10 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by VanguardReviews (talk • contribs)

Personal Life
Who is this "Butler" that he broke up with? There is only one mention of the person. Did he end the employment of his butler? --Paploo (talk) 04:26, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

The sentence under the heading "Early Life and Career" states:

"He began taking drugs, so her mother placed him in a treatment center that specialized in “tough love.” It should say, "He began taking drugs, so his mother placed him in a treatment center that specialized in “tough love.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nearart (talk • contribs) 14:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Grammar
Really poor grammar

The main site says: "Adam Goldstein was found dead at his New York City apartment at around 5:20 p.m. on Friday, August 28, 2009. He was 36 years old. Friends called the police, who along with paramedics broke into the apartment and found Goldstein's body. Sources say the cause of death may have been accidental drug overdose.[21][22] Statements by a New York law enforcement official to the Associated Press indicate that drug paraphernalia was found in the apartment, but no signs of foul play.[23]"

To be more gramattically correct, please change to:

"Adam Goldstein, 36, was found dead at his New York City apartment Friday, August 28, 2009. Sources say the cause of death may have been accidental drug overdose.[21][22] At this point, the NYPD is stating that there are no signs of foul play.[23]" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.178.166 (talk • contribs) 07:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone attempt to add a discography?
I dont know any of his music, but do know he was a guy who made music. So any offical mixtapes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxiehoon (talk • contribs) 09:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I'm not familiar with his music neither, but the page needs an update, also worth mentioning his guest apperance in Entourage Adwicko (talk) 10:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Mandy Moore???
What is with the line regarding Mandy Moore in the lead-in?? While it may be worth noting under the section regarding the plane crash, it is most defintely not needed in the lead-in. Unless there is objection, I will be removing it and making sure it is mentioned in the proper section.Alex (talk) 19:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Weight-loss surgery
I am sure at some point I heard he had a gastric bypass or some sort of weight-loss surgery. At the time I heard this, he was dating Nicole Richie and I was surprised to hear it because he was thin. IIRC, it was in a quote from Adam, but I forget why he was discussing it. Can you check that out for the bio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.94.157 (talk) 23:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a source for this: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20147889,00.html
 * --HidariMigi (talk) 02:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would agree that he had a Gastric Bypass. I read about it. 06:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Popartpete (talk • contribs)

Removed copyvio
I've clipped from the article this section was directly a copyvio from http://www.glamour.com/magazine/2008/01/dj-am
 * Unbeknownst to his mother, the place was an abusive house of horrors that would eventually be shut down. "The counselors beat us. They spit in our faces. They starved us. They never let us see or talk to our parents," Goldstein later pictured the situation. 

--HidariMigi (talk) 02:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)