Talk:DJ Sharpnel

Let's try it again
Glad to have this page back up. Lets work on adding more info and make it a really good article. A good place to start would be adding to the discography by listing albums not in the SRPC series (albums Sharpnel has contributed to) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.55.221 (talk • contribs) This page should not exist simply because there is no such group as SJ Sharpnel? How can one exist if it never stays fluid? There is no DJ Sharpnel, only whatever people decide to call it. How fucking stupid has music become? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.70.141.107 (talk • contribs)
 * A better place to start would be to use reliable sources in order to show that the subject is notable. Wickethewok (talk) 01:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's a list of some of the appearances Sharpnel Sound has made in the media, including over a dozen magazine articles, interviews, webzine articles and his appearance on Television Saitama; http://www.sharpnel.com/index-j.html . Most of these are in Japanese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.47.55.221 (talk • contribs) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.233.210.234 (talk) 02:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's obsession with so-called "notability" is rather absurd. DJ Sharpnel is a widely-known and influencial artist to those who are familiar with the style of music and the scene involved with it. However, due to the fact that it's from Japan, and that the music genre itself is primarily underground and niche, it is difficult to produce sources that are more "reliable" than MySpace pages or discography listings. Perhaps if we had some editors who are fluent in Japanese read over everything on the artist's website and conduct an interview, would that satisfy you?68.47.55.221 (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If there aren't more reliable sources than Myspace pages, then there can be no article. People can put whatever the heck they want on their Myspace pages - they're clearly biased and possibly unreliable.  A personal interview is similarly problematic.  We need reliable sources, otherwise Wikipedia is nothing more than a giant collection of pages no more reliable than a personal Geocities page.  Wickethewok (talk) 01:25, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.discogs.com/label/Sharpnelsound - Lists well over 20 releases. Reliable. http://www.last.fm/label/Sharpnel+Sound - Shows 13,000+ listeners. Influential? I think so. http://www.bioandlyrics.com/djsharpnel - Western website with info. http://www.happyhardcore.com/records/record_artistprofile.asp?action=artistdisplay&artistinfoid=1006 - HappyHardcore.com is global and renown for spreading the word on great hardcore acts. Oh, and it's in English. http://electronicmusic.wikia.com/wiki/DJ_Sharpnel_discography and http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/DJ_Sharpnel - informative. http://www.j-core.biz/ - Purchase CDs here. http://mamono.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/techno/1220814257/26 - 2ch is Japan's (and possibly the world's) largest BBS. http://www.happyhardcore.com/forums/portal_news.asp?action=filter&year=2004&month=7 - Dated 2004, it references a Sharpnel CD. http://www.lpu-records.com/ - online retailer. http://www.nt2099.com/J-ENT/news/world-groove/anime-toonz-volume-4-yukari-fukui-dj-remixed-anime-songs-a-j-ent-world-groove-album-review/ - Review of a CD remixed by various global DJs. A review? From a non-MySpace page? In short, the fact that you can't find information about Sharpnel Sound in English does -not- mean an article should not exist. It's racist (try searching for Sharpnel Sound on with Japanese regional settings) and shows the utmost disrespect for the artist who, as we can see, has thousands upon thousands of fans. As a side note, reviews are opinion-based much like MySpace pages so when will wikipedia outlaw reviews entirely? Loserbait (Loserbait (talk) 02:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC))
 * I don't think anyone is saying that this particular article should be removed (at least that I am seeing). What I say above applies to all articles.  However, you should note that some of the "sources" you list don't qualify as reliable, such as the ones that are wikis or message boards.  Wickethewok (talk) 03:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If this was a completely niche group that wasn't notable at all, then this page wouldn't have gotten enough attention to be deleted and undeleted multiple times. Someone would have deleted it once and that would have been that; or the article would have two edits by Jea himself, one random IP edit fixing grammer, and three visits in a year.  I know that isn't a reliable source, but it is a pretty good indication of this group's noteriety that a bunch of people with no relation to the group are working to try and maintain this article.  Also, Japanese articles have been brought up.  This is the English language version of Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is a global project.  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What the HELL are you talking about? DJ Sharpnel IS a group of a DJ and a VJ (JEA and Lemmy). What do you mean by Fluid? 190.22.51.13 (talk) 18:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The rest of 173.70.141.107's contributions consist of vandalism, so I'm calling troll. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

http://www.simonsellars.com/sleepybrain/ryuta-nakagami-tokyo-style-speedcore This can be used as a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.210.98 (talk) 06:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Added new section: Western Influence
I'm an extreme novice user of wikipedia, I signed up primarily to aid the revival of this article. I wanted to cite my sources at the end of the section I created. However, the only way to prove what I said was true would be to cite their myspace pages, which I'm assuming is against the wikipedia policy to cite a social networking site-- what options are available here to prove what I said is true? Please send me a message if you think you can help-- or if you think what I wrote is utter garbage and think it should be removed; please tell me how to imrpove what I write in the future! Oiokamioio (talk) 13:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

138.163.160.41 (talk) 02:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The point isn't to say what you want then look for sources that prove you're right, the information is supposed to come directly from outside sources. What you wrote also sounds too much like an appraisal of the subject and doesn't maintain a neutral point of view. Make sure what you're writing is cold, hard facts- not opinions. There's nothing wrong with sourcing Myspace pages in this context though (as far as I know), although the importance of those statements can be questioned. Lastly, read more about what makes a good article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_is_an_article%3F. I don't mean to criticize you, especially as an unregistered layman but if you don't follow the policies exactly, you end up doing more harm than good.
 * Anon makes some good points. Using an artist's own Myspace page to cite claims that the artist helped spread the popularity of a genre, as this claim requires some sort of unbiased (and reliable) source.  The problems are extremely evident if you think about it this way: if I create a Myspace page that says that my music helped popularize rock 'n' roll in Malaysia, you're not just going to believe me, right?  That's basically the reasoning behind minimizing use of primary sources.  You want something like a relatively reliable music magazine or something.  Wickethewok (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with your analogy about the rock 'n' roll in Malaysia, but I do not think this is the same thing. If DJ Sharpnel had on their OWN MySpace page "we helped create a whole new music genre" then that would not be a good source to cite on his Wikipedia article. However, if we are trying to show that DJ Sharpnel has had a growing influence in other artists and has contributed to the genre that way, then it seems appropriate to cite OTHER artists who DO credit Sharpnel as influence.68.47.55.221 (talk) 00:45, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your comments! I'll especially take not of the fact that I did come across as praising the artist too much. This was an extreme oversight and I'll look to keep my enthusiasm in check in the future! Oiokamioio (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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