Talk:DNN (software)

NPOV
This needs bigtime NPOV editing. -Werdna648 11:56, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps, but it is so short it hardly says anything at all. Natcolley 19:04, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Natcolley. It seems pretty neutral to me as it is so brief and doesn't say whether DotNetNuke is good, bad or indifferent. Gabnash 27 October 2005

I don't see anything listed that isn't fact. I also don't see anything that praises or puts the item on a pedestal. 69.243.108.219 20:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I just want to point out that it is very annoying that some people just love to poke at Microsoft-related pages, throwing these NPOV/reference requests all over the place. If you look at the number of pages on the net with attempts to prove how much microsoft products suck, vs. pages showing benchmarks where drupal, or php, or linux got douched, it's kind of obvious that other than actual issues resulting from microsoft products, there are a lot of bitter individuals just looking for trouble. Honestly? if you don't know anything about the content of the page, stop acting like you do, you're just wasting other people's precious time 'cause then we have to remove all the unsupported tags you added to the page. -CasperRAWR

Since nobody has provided any justification for the NPOV tag, I am removing it. --Blackeagle 00:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
 * dd 21 dec 2005 itas there again, without any explanation. whats up? --145.99.202.92 09:56, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like it got put back when Ombudsman did the revert on Nov. 11. I'm removing it again because I don't see any reason for it and nobody's stepped forward to justifiy it here.--Blackeagle 06:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I put the NPOV tag back in.
 * "that require little more than HTML knowledge to create."
 * Unproven and hard to quantify how much knowledge you need to create. I have used the system and I would not make such a statement.


 * "the power of DotNetNuke lies not so much in its built in features but its easy extensibility."
 * Again, an unquantifiable statement. It is straight out of a marketing departments bag of statements.


 * "and should see it stay around for many years to come."
 * Unprovable. It is a loaded statement to get you to think this is a product you should use because it will be around, but will it?


 * "DotNetNuke also serves as an example of best practice coding techniques for ASP.NET"
 * Best practice coding techniques is subjective.


 * --kingmundi 12:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

maybe the word "ideal" in the first para ("ideal for creating and maintaining professional websites") is not neutral enough, imo. maybe 'used for' would be more neutral, 'suited for'. i'm gonna make the change, but this is my first wiki edit in a long time, so don't flame me too bad ;-)

I completely agree that it is more like publicity than a proper article. The tone is simply not neutral. You can argue till the cows come home over particular words or expressions but I don't feel it is unbiased.

This is obviously just marketing for DotNetNuke. --Rik Hemsley

The article is pretty POV in tone but it also seems pretty untidy and cursory. Perhaps it should be marked as a stub and/or in need of cleanup? Jammycakes 17:01, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've rewritten it to make it a bit more NPOV, tidy it up and add some structure to it. I wasn't 100% sure on including the bit that I added about standards compliance (I'm admittedly a bit of a fanatic for table-less CSS and standards) but I left it in anyway. Jammycakes 18:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Guess what? It's back to being an advert. Tagged again. --AbsolutDan (talk) 20:55, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've reverted it to its pre-advert state - pretty much all the advertising-esque changes were made in one edit. Do you still think it needs more work in that respect? Jammycakes 21:28, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah - it's not perfect, but I've seen plenty worse. I considered reverting myself, but saw the editor did make some content changes. You're probably right - get rid of edit completely, the useful info can be added back in separately. Thanks for taking care of it. --AbsolutDan (talk) 22:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I've done a rather large edit, specifically on the Introduction section. These edits are meant to give the entry some historical perspective - where the project originated, how it was named, trademarking considerations, and its subsequent progression. I believe all items in the Intro are all neutral - facts, not opinions. The citations added were drawn from published books and magazines, press releases, and descriptive pages on the official site... Being a relative Wikipedia newbie, I would appreciate feedback on these changes, so I can go ahead and work on the other lacking areas of this entry without making missteps. Also, I must add that I believe this entry to be both notable and relevant, and worthy of a Wikipedia entry. This is especially true if similar projects such as postnuke and php-nuke have entries here.

The problem I have is that they claim registered trademark over and over (both using the the symbol and outright statements) and according to the US PTO, it has not been registered. Yes, it was applied for and it's currently in process, but it's simply not accurate to call it a registered trademark. Christopher Estep

With respect to Christopher's work, I have re-added the POV tag to this article. The vast majority of references for this article, and content therein,  derive from the company's own website and publications,  and from affiliate sources. While I am of the agnostic inclusionist persuasion, and concede notability etc.,  this article is not drawn from a NPOV (and moreover and more significantly,  makes DNN seem more legitimate than it is by employing the marketing perspective of the creating company,  for instance). Whatever it is, Wikipedia is not (| should not be) a forum for free advertising and marketing without revealing the inherent bias. This needs to be addressed. KenThomas (talk) 02:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I have added NPOV information regarding DotNetNuke's skinning engine including limited information from "Professional DotNetNuke 4" (ISBN:0-471-78816-3) and information I have learned about the DNN skinning engine (discussions in numerous DotNetNuke forums between users and professionals that use and/or develop upon the DotNetNuke framework). I am currently developing a website using the DotNetNuke framework and I will post more into the DNN wiki entry as I use it further. I personally am not a fan of it but there are a number of benefits to be gleaned from it which can be reasonably cited from the parent company's marketing material. Bear in mind that the only money the DotNetNuke Corporation makes from the DotNetNuke framework is from over-and-above support deals - the framework itself it open source and is *designed* to be extensible so people can add to the core framework as well as build modules, skins etc. as optional add-ons. Whether the framework achieves the *desired* result is debatable but this wiki entry is *NOT* for the purpose of discussing this. Medicineworker (talk) 14:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Have updated sentence in article which referred to trademarks, and cited the references (Canadian Intellectual Property Office.) The terms "dotnetnuke" and "DNN" are indeed trademarked - not by US PTO as Christopher points out - but in Canada nonetheless. DNNsider (talk) 16:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I did a major update of this mainly yesterday. I've been using this open-source product for years and can certainly say it has problems and nice features both. Let me know if anything sounds 'smarmy' & I can adjust the language. There was a TON of ancient stuff that isn't very relevant to the current product. I still hope to come back in and refocus the article on the current issues users will face and wonder about. There's also a ton of 'features' but obviously those appear to be off-limits to maintain NPOV? Big change is that the page should be renamed from DotNetNuke to DNN, but I'll leave that for more experienced folks! User:JohnWikiC Noon 16 June 2016 (PST)

Versions
Article needs to reflect newest versions of DotNetNuke. These are 3.3.2 and 4.3.2.

Latest version is 4.8.2. Medicineworker (talk) 14:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Latest Version is 4.8.4 running under ASP.NET 2.0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.78.177 (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Latest version is now 5.1.1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.24.110 (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Latest version is 6.2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grireland (talk • contribs) 12:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Notability
This article doesn't prove that it meets notability standards. It is in need cited content from reliable sources, otherwise it will be a candidate for deletion. --AbsolutDan (talk) 13:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It's probably the best known ASP.NET content management system/application framework available, if not the best known open source project for the .net framework. A Google search for "DotNetNuke" returns four million results for instance, so some suitable references shouldn't be too hard to find. Jammycakes 18:45, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't have time to research this myself, but DNN is in very widespread use for ASP.NET-based sites. Many large hosting companies, including GoDaddy, offer this software as a free option (they'll do the initial setup for the customer). I don't know the number of sites that use DNN, but I think it could easily be put into the thousands, maybe even tens of thousands. It's definitely enough to be notable by Wikipedia standards. I wish I had time to do the research on this myself. Realkyhick 00:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that http://www.snowcovered.com should be included as an external link as it is the largest online retailer for DotNetNuke skins and modules on the internet. All developers and designers that create modules and skins for DNN seem to sell them on this site, which seems to have been around since DNN 2.0 was released (??). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperRobot5000 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 13 November 2006  (UTC)
 * We already have a directory link - why not have your link added to that directory instead? --AbsolutDan (talk) 16:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Future of DotNetNuke
User:Elkhiyarih added a paragraph to the criticisms section that seems to be both inaccurate and biased. Microsoft hasn't removed the DotNetNuke forums altogether -- there is still a link to them although they are now hosted on the DNN website. I presume the reason for this is that the DNN community is becoming so large that it allows much more in-depth and detailed coverage of the framework. The paragraph also seems to have a fairly strong anti-Microsoft bias. Oh, and it doesn't cite its sources. — jammycakes 23:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Skins and Containers
This section never describes what a container is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.46.200.226 (talk) 00:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Heavy edits on 2009-10-15 - Please check
I noticed that the article has been heavily edited on 2009-10-15 (by user 'audiohifi'). Even though I'm new to DotNetNuke (and relatively new as a Wikipedia contributor), I have my doubts and I wonder if anyone has noticed it. Entire sections have been deleted and/or rewritten, and I think the new text is not as good as it should be. Some points I noticed: (a) the history section has been deleted; (b) a youtube video is promoted as if it were important (including giving two names as the authors), while it's more like a parody on a commercial (see "A narrative video overview...").

Before I discovered the above I had already done some minor edits, which apply only to the new text so they can be discarded if the above edits are reverted.

Jacosi (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

External Links: NPOV
Is it really necessary to have twitter/facebook/etc. links? I think these should be deleted since they make the article as a whole feel like a free advertisement for the platform. Vagrant Bias (talk) 04:38, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Major re-write
I'm not trying to spam the discussion page, but this article needs some love. I'd like to go ahead and begin rewriting and reorganizing it with reputable third-party references. Vagrant Bias (talk) 21:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

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Title typo
The title is DDN, but the article refers to DNN. Suggest move for rename. Requires changes to disambiguation pages for both DDN and DNN. Drummist180 (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Done!

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