Talk:DUMBA

Cleanup 2007
Respectfully resubmitted for editorial consideration Jasonfb 08:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As per the clean-up request at the top of the page, I've attempted to do some re-formatting and editorial work, while leaving all the references intact. Please review and if further work is necessary, please leave a message here; otherwise, let's remove the clean-up notice.Intheshadows 18:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * thank you Intheshadows this looks great. I'd be happy to remove the clean up message. there is a bit more research I want to do on this page-- particularly, get some of the dates of the events which are missing. this happens to be a somewhat slow process so I'd be happy to remove the cleanup message and return in a few weeks time to add the dates. does this make sense in terms of wikiprocess? Jasonfb 18:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Nothing makes sense in terms of "wikiprocess". ; ) Feel free to leave messages on my talk page. Good luck with the article!Intheshadows 05:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I finished the work that was started by others. I've cleaned up as much of the article as I feel I can, based on my own limited knowledge of DUMBA. Esrever 18:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Play parties
I'm 99.9% sure the play parties went on longer than just 2000-2001 -- through at least 2004? But I should leave it to an expert to change it on the page. - sparrow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.214.204 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 15 March 2007

Improvement suggestions - 2009
After a review of this article, the following are items I've noticed that need attention: --Lendorien (talk) 16:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Tonal issues. Some of this possibly could be rewritten to have a more encyclopedic tone.
 * Establishing notability. The way this is written almost makes it sound like it was just a bunch of guys living in a frat house. More effort should be made to state exactly HOW they were so influential and who they influenced and how.
 * Heading revisions needed. Sections should be consolodated, perhaps into a proper narrative history/background section in a proper chronological order. "Name" and "space" should be included in this section as part of the historical narative of how and where and why this collective was founded.
 * Better thematic flow needed for the various projects and thinsg the group did. It seems pretty haphazard right now.
 * Sourcing is a good start, but spotty. Needs improvement.

DUMBA 2002-2007
The play parties continued through 2006. The neighborhood changed, and the advent of internet social networking sites and the instant access/exposure they brought made it harder for DUMBA to continue having such parties openly. It was a way of life, and invariably brunches, art shows, wrestling parties, poetry and music events often ended up as play parties. The article describes Shortbus's sex scenes as hyperbole. They were not. I feel the article does not address the racial shift within the history of the collective and slights the activities and contributions of those involved from 2000-2007. DUMBA was a majority people of color queer collective for the last 6 years of existence. A handful of the collective members worked or where involved with POCC (People of Color in Crisis) and GMHC (Gay Men's Health Crisis) and where committed to fostering a fun, safe sex positive environment.

This was our landlord's petition to the court in the winter of 2006:

"The court can see that these people operate parties under a business name D.U.M.B.A. COLLECTIVE. These are run almost every weekend and people pay to get into the parties. The court can see that the sex offered is deviate sex, i.e. Lesbian and/or Gay. When they are running their parties they have tremondous (sic) loudspeakers that you can almost hear all over Brooklyn and these parties run almost to dawn. After the party on Monday morning you can see loads of empty beer bottles that is (sic) left over by them. I cannot say that they are running a house of prostitution because I personally did NOT see such activity. However, the advertising they do can certainly lead one to such conclusions."

Annodated (talk) 20:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"all-ages"?
The phrase "all-ages" is repeated twice in the article. What does it refer to, and why is it important? Totorotroll (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "All-ages" means that a venue does not discriminate on the basis of age. This sort of venue has developed as part of punk subculture because of bars which generally restrict attendance to those of legal drinking age, and so those who are younger who wish to see live music performances would only be able to do so in all-ages venues. There is now a Wikipedia article on all-ages which I have wiki-linked from this one.--Larrybob (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)