Talk:Dachshund/Archive 1

Teckel
As far as I can tell, the french doxie page (fr:teckel), says that "the teckel... is a breed of flea-bag...." either the phrase used is idiomatic and my limited knowledge of french can't handle it, or someone over there wrote something kinda crappy. Can someone who speaks better french look in on this? Lachatdelarue [[User talk:Lachatdelarue|(talk)]] 00:20, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * Submarine on IRC kindly looked - the complete sentence was "the teckel (aka sausage on legs) is a breed of flea-bag" - heh! He's fixed it -- sannse (talk) 19:43, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Racing
Added the section of Dachshund Racing. While I was stunned by the article I read. Dog Kennel Magazine -- Never heard of it, but I don't watch football.

The children's book Part-Time Dog by Jane Thayer supposedly features a famous Dachshund. Could someone please verify & add if appropriate? Jodi.a.schneider 02:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Wursthunde
From the "Appearance" section:


 * "Colloquially referred to as "wiener dogs" or "sausage dogs" (German Wursthunde), [...]"

The bolded part should probably be removed; noone *ever* refers to these as "Wursthund(e)" in German, and in fact, the word sounds highly artificial, as if made up by someone with a dictionary but no actual grasp on the German language. The current wording wrongly gives the impression that "Wursthund" is in fact an at least not entirely uncommon moniker for these in German. Any objections? -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 21:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * I removed it. I've never heard anyone use this term.    Google reveals one hit for that word.   Sounds very made up to me.  Trysha 21:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Not sure about this either way
I have a hard time accepting this, especially wrt feelings in the USA.

''Dachshunds have traditionally been viewed as a symbol of Germany, despite their pan-European heritage. During World War I the animals fell so far out of favor in England and the United States that owners were actively encouraged to euthanize their pets. ''

Roodog2k 01:53, 28 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I have had a quick look around the net, and cannot find anything supporting that statement. All I have found anywhere is that their popularity fell dramatically during that time. Tekana | Talk 11:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything either....? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.50.155.243 (talk) 00:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

In a book a have about the Lusitania, after that ship was sunk by a German U-boat, it said that in Britain and America, Germans were harassed and people even went around kicking and hurting "Dachshunds". This was during the start of WWI.

Names in other languages--agree/disagree?
This page seems to be accruing names in a wide range of foreign languages. We originally said that we'd list names commonly used in English-speaking countries, web sites, and kennel clubs but not be an accumulation of those used in other languages. Agree/disagree? Elf | Talk 21:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Agree I think that we should only have "common names" used in english speaking countries.   If people want to know the simple translations of the names, or alternate names are used in other countries, they can simply select the link to the other language version of the article - so the information is there.     It clutters up the dog box having so many names. - Trysha (talk) 22:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Badger dogs
Hello, I would like to add a list of dogs used for hunting and Badger-baiting can someone help me out ? Cordially SirIsaacBrock 03:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Dackel / Teckel
In Germany the Dachshund nowadays ist usually called "Dackel". An older Name often used by Breeders and by Hunters which are using Dachshunde is "Teckel". http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dackel


 * Teckel is unfortunately used by English speaking people as interchangeable with Dackel. It is NOT the same. Dackel is a nickname, like we use Doxie, but Teckel is actually a rank given to a Dackel (Dachshund) for a successfully completed training and for passing a hunting and tracking trial. Their "rank" is actually tattooed on their ears upon completion.  While I changed a bit of the wording in the first paragraph, and there is a later added segment for Dackel vs. Teckel, but there was no citation.  I also added citations to both the changed sentence and the later segment. --Chÿna 17:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Source for popularity claims?

 * (Copied from User talk:Masonbarge:)

Could you identify the source(s) for the statements about the popularity of the breed in the U.S. and in NYC specifically so that we can have a "Reference" section listing the source? Thanks. Elf | Talk 16:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Done
I put in a couple of links. I couldn't find the original story about New York but I got a link to a Chicago Trib article for 2005 and changed the sentence accordingly.

Oh dearest Elf, please watch the Movie Garfield and you would see that the dog Odie is in fact played by a Wired Haired Dachshund. You who thinks you know everything about all breeds of dogs and yet don't know me... Leslie Kuva... keep searching and you will know

Nintendogs
Should a section be added concerning Nintendogs, the game for DS which has a version with the dacshshund as the cover breed?


 * I probably would not, since if we put a link to every product that featured a given dog, we'd have a million links on each article and they become meaningless - there should be a link from the Nintendogs here though. - Trysha (talk) 23:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No.This is about a dog,not a virtual pet.--70.165.71.229 22:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Odie?
Odie is listed under "Famous Dachshunds". I've never heard of him being described as a Dachshund. Could someone verify this? ... disco spinster   talk  12:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems that odie in garfield the movie was a dachshund .  Of course, I think 4 people actually saw that movie, and no one really thinks of that odie as the 'real odie', most people think of the comic strip which is clearly not.  I'm going to remove the item.   - Trysha (talk) 13:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

boston dachsund meetup.
I did not notice that the user who added the boston meetup site, asked why his link was removed. Under the External Links guidelines and what wikipedia is not, social networking sites like these are not allowed. Wikipedia is not a directory of links, and it is global. Meetup sites like these, besides the fact that they are local in scope, sites like these meet none of the 'what should be linked to' criteria, none of the 'occasionally' ciritera, and, and meet #1, #3, #9, and possibly #4 of 'what should not be linked to', as such they should not be added. Really the only reason I can see for adding the link is to attract more members to your site - and that is not what wikipedia is about. Trysha (talk) 19:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I should also note, the reason that we have the clubs listed, is that because the clubs are the source that defines what a given breed is.   They are the ones who set the standards that are being bred to, in different areas, animals of a given breed are bred to slightly different standards so it is good to list all of the ones who define the breed. - Trysha (talk) 19:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

National Dachshund Meetups.
I don't mean to belabor this point, and this is the last time I will bother "protesting," but I thought I would share some final thoughts. I have to say the anti-spamming editors are extremely fast, efficient and thorough. I do not believe that a link to the National Dachshund Meetup meets "#1, #3, #9, and possibly #4 of 'what should not be linked to.'" I do believe that access to thousands of dachshund owners throughout the nation IS a "unique resource." I do not personally own or maintain the National Dachshund Meetup page, and as far as neutrality and POV issues are concerned, it simply does not apply, considering the myriad of opinions held by the thousands of dachshund owners (so all points of view are expressed). Yes, Meetup can be used as a social networking space, but many of the groups (including the dachshund groups) have greater purposes. We serve as a resource for potential and new dachshund owners, addressing good breeding practices, caring for your dachshund, training, and overall dachshund health. Some of us are active in dachshund rescue programs, and in other charities and organizations that fight to prevent cruelty to animals. Finally, while "MEETUP" itself is an organization created to make money, many of the groups that comprise it are not-for-profit and charge no fees. There is no charge to join any dachshund groups that I know of, while some organizers charge a small fee at, and only to cover the cost of, an event. Most dachshund groups are not formed to sell products or services. Please reconsider a link to the National Dachshund Meetup page, where users can search for a group in their particular geographic location. I think we are a valuable resource. Thanks for your consideration. Vinnie 70.22.226.12 03:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The removal of external links is not always related to the links being commercial/promotional. WP:EL and WP:SPAM make it pretty clear that links should adhere to some rather strict guidelines to be included. Otherwise, it would be all too easy for Wikipedia to turn into a link farm. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 03:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Number of vertebrae?
Do daschunds have more vertebrae, or longer ones? -:)Ozzyslovechild 16:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a really good question...I've never even thought about that!CerealBabyMilk 21:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Same number of vertabrae; shorter leg joints! TM Houston, TX75.163.154.42 (talk) 05:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Same number of vertebrae, spaced farther apart. Part of the reason why they are prone to IVDD, or degenerative disc disease, and running, jumping, twisting, etc. causes more pressure on the discs. --Chÿna 17:13, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Need more information on alternative spinal treatments
For the moment, I took out the two sentences on alternative spinal treatments:

Other treatments that have been used with some success include TENS, acupuncture, physical therapy, moxibustion, chiropractic manipulation, and massage. The use of arthritis medication such as Rimadyl (which failed clinical trials for humans) has reverted to the subjects of its previous testing: dogs, with great results in relieving skeletal back pain.

It needs its own section, but really it also needs more attestation, if only through links to reasonably reliable Web sites.

I did quite a bit of copy-editing, and used lower case for relevant terms, including “dachshund” and coat types. Ordinarily we would use initial capitals only for breeds that contain proper names, e.g., “Rhodesian ridgeback,” “Labrador retriever.”

joeclark 20:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Hund is a cognate
Hund is related to the English "hound", so wouldn't it be more appropriately called the "badjer hound"?


 * I hear what you're saying, but hound refers to a specific grouping of dogs (i.e. dogs that aid in hunting). However, hund is simply the german word for dog. It is used to refer to all dogs. Therefore, given the fact that hound refers to a specific grouping of dogs, dog is the accurate and only appropriate translation. This fact is frequently emphaisized in books about the breed.CFiorello 07:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You said it yourself: they are related. Whereas, dachshund is a German word, and hund, translated literally to English means dog.  Just because they are related, doesn't mean it translates literally.--Chÿna 17:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Achondroplasia
Most dachshunds today are achondroplastic dwarfs. The syptoms of this genetic defect are large chests and heads, and crooked legs. These are not characteristics that are beneficial in a hunting dog used to enter subterrainian burrows. The majority of animals hunted in burrows have a chest span less than 14 inchs, including foxes. A large chest is the single worst attribute dog intended for earthwork could have. If you look at the photo of a dachshund in the article from the time that many dachshunds were hunted, it looks more like a modern Jack Russell or Fell Terrier. There is no evidence that short legs are helpful in negotiating an underground space. If this were the case, animals such as foxes or jackals would have very short legs. They do not. Attributing traits that modern breeders select for to real-life work may be romantic, but it is not accurate and should not be part of an encyclopedic entry.--Counsel 21:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Doxies were bred that way.It ain't a defect.§70.165.71.229 22:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Selecting for a genetic disorder does not change the fact that it is a defect. It may say something about those doing the selection, however.--Counsel 19:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Since the average badger burrow is less than 9 inches high, it should be obvious that long legs would be a distinct disadvantage in negotiating such a narrow tunnel. That is why badgers evolved with short legs, and why dachshunds, which were bred to hunt badgers in their burrows, were selected with short legs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.140.86 (talk) 02:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

"Famous and Fictional Dachshunds" section
This section is rather long. Not every single example that has appeared in popular culture needs to be listed here. (I mean, come on, the one from the Petsmart commercial that aired maybe for one month?) If someone has the time to go through determine a consensus here and excise what most editors believe are the less notable examples, leaving the more significant ones, that would be appreciated. -- Kinu t /c  15:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Merger with Angel (dog)
I am suggesting a merger of this page to Angel (dog) because they both discuss within the same subject. - SnuckOnTE 23:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, I moved your discussion to the bottom of this Talk Page for correct chronology. I disagree with your proposal for a merger as I'm not sure that Angel (dog) should have her own Wiki page in the first place to be honest - does a dog require her own encyclopaedia page? Just my opinion. Erwinloh 23:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have actually just proposed the deletion of the Angel article. She doesn't meet notability guidelines, especially considering the contest she won is not notable. VanTucky 00:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have to agree. Angel looks like a fantastic dachshund, and I love dachshunds, but I'm not sure she deserves her own Wiki article. :)  Congratulations on her win!  Good effort by a dachshund. Erwinloh 00:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Btw, is your IP address 71.228.153.173? I note that in the history of the Dachshund page this line - 23:27, 29 June 2007 71.228.153.173 (Talk) (19,154 bytes) (Next time suckers, don't remove my dog!) - I note that the guest with that IP address had put up a photo of Angel as well to replace 2 dachshund photos on the dachshund page.  That change was reverted appropriately.   I know you love your dog, but it's not good form to call people "suckers". :)  Just a note.  Erwinloh 00:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is mine :-) Well, I guess it's time to come clean. The "award" and the "association" does not exist. I was only trying to show off my dog. (The story on the Angel (dog) page is the true story, well, except for the award part.) I know that it is not good form to call people suckers. Anyway, if you'd like, I can take some more pictures of her (both sides, her face, her legs, etc.) and upload them and post the links on this page if anyone feels that they could be used in the Dachshund page (or any other page for that matter). Note that they would be real pictures, without the "best dog" stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SnuckOnTE (talk • contribs)
 * No, there seems to be plenty of photos already on commons, but you are welcome to add some photos there in case we might like them. Also, remember to sign your posts.  Reywas92 Talk 17:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You can upload your own photos to Wikimedia Commons Upload, and then link one of the photos to the Dachshund gallery page here - Wikimedia Commons Dachshund Gallery Erwinloh 23:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Eyes
Lightly colored eyes is common and within the AKC breed standard for dappled dachshunds; a dappled dog with light eyes should not be considered a mixed-breed. Apwvt 05:25, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Totally agree with you. Erwinloh 06:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Colors
The dog identified as "Silver Dapple with different colored eyes" is actually a black-and-tan double dapple. Any white on the coat or head automatically makes the dog a double dapple or piebald. Silver dapple is an incorrect term, as there is no such thing as a silver dauchshund. The colors are: Solids;  Red, Black and Tan, Chocolate and Tan, Cream, Blue and Tan and Isabella (Fawn) and Tan. The Dapple varieties therefore are Red Dapple, Balck and Tan Dapple, and Chocolate and tan dapple. The dapple pattern is a combination of the regular solid color and the dilute solid color, for instance, the "Blue" is diluted black, so the "black and tan dapple has patches of black and blue. The Isabella color is diluted chocolate, so the dapple has patches of both colors.

There is a real controversy in the Dachshund breeding community about the permissibility of white in the coat. Because the double dapple gene which gives the white coloration can be lethal, or result in missing eyes, blindness and deafness, it is aften discouraged from the breeding process.

Tim Moss Houston, TX 98.194.106.215 13:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.106.215 (talk) 01:06, August 30, 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Tim


 * Good discussion - that's my dachshund there. :) The father of Princess of a "silver dapple", the mother a "red".  My understanding from the breeder is that she is a dapple, and not a double dapple, as only one parent is dappled, but the breeder could be wrong I suppose.  Single dapples can still have white on their bodies, although that is less common.  The good news is that Princess has normal eyesight and hearing.


 * "Silver dapple" is the older term for "black and tan dapple" - I agree that it's not part of the "official" terminology - but that term is still used extensively by people. Do a search on Google for "silver dapple dachshund" for example. :)  But I see your point - in an article like this maybe we should refrain from using colloquial terms.


 * Erwinloh 00:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Added picture of red Dachshund puppy Chaotic42 —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:53, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I would also change the caption that says "parti-colored" to "double dapple". Parti-colored is often used to describe cocker spaniels with white plus one other color, but never dachshunds. Tim Moss Houston, TX —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.99.139 (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

a question re: behaviour
does anyone know where I could find research regarding the biting history of the mini datsuns, I have a daughter and she was bit, unprovoked, and the dog has bitten others(which the owners did not tell me until we were at the hospital) i just would like to research this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melisterene (talk • contribs) 16:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC) Based on my experience with my dogs and others, I would have to say pretty rare. My dogs LOVE kids, and the older one will let the neighbor's kids put their arms around his neck with no reaction. As with all dogs, training, general temperament and good socialization are the real keys. Tim Moss Houston, TX75.163.154.42 (talk) 05:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Skin Irratation
Hi my two dauchhounds have both got bad skin irratations under tere necks and stomachs the vet says its caused by grass seeds is this correct.--Melsdogs 05:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I also have a Daschund and that is correct. PookeyMaster 09:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

The color of your Dachshund could also contribute. Dilute colors (Blue, Isabella, cream) are more susceptible to sunburn and "dilute gene alopecia" which causes these colors to develop bumps in their hair follicles and to lose their hair, sometimes in patches, sometimes all-over depending on the severity. Remember, also, that because they are low to the ground lawn chemical applications can be more irritating to them than to other dogs, so wiping them down after a trip outside, especially in long or recently treated grass is a good idea! Tim Moss Houston, TX75.163.154.42 (talk) 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Beer dacshunds
In Finland, 12-packs of bottled beer (2 rows of 6 bottles) are popularily called dachshunds, because of the elongated shape of the packs. J I P | Talk 20:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Removal of link to Daily Dachshund and Dog News
The Daily Dachshund and Dog News is indeed a blog but not a personal one. It's an aggregator that adds value. It covers Dachshund news, as it happens, and it is not, as an earlier Wikipedean suggests, just a Google feed. A cursory glance will show it has a lot to offer.

IN fact, this is the kind of news source that couldn't have existed before the web. And I think by removing the link you are depriving Dachshund lovers of a source of news they'd like. Instead of interpreting Wikipedia's rules in the most narrow minded way -- use of Flickr, Youtube and Ads do not automatically disqualify site nor does the fact that it's a blog. Why not ask yourself, "If I were someone looking for information on Dachshunds, would it help to know about this site?" If the answer is yes, please restore the link.

Licking their own
Can anyone confirm whether dachshunds can lick their own hoo-has the way most doggies can? Seems like they'd be too long. Would that become a problem for the dog? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Trust me, they can do it fine! --Chÿna 17:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

God Dog or Badger Dog?
"The breed's name is German and literally means "God," from Latin."

History: "The first verifiable references to the dachshund, originally named the "Tachs Kriecher" (badger crawler) or "Tachs Krieger" (badger warrior), came from books written in the early 1700s."

I'm suspicious about dachshund meaning "god-dog." I've never heard this before, there is no explanation as to why, and later in the History section, there is what seems to be a confirmation that dachshund means "badger dog," which is a more common explanation. Could a German speaker confirm this? Armandeus (talk) 10:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That was vandalism and has been corrected. Thank you for pointing it out.  God in Latin is Deus anyway.   Reywas92 Talk  20:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

For hunting?
The lead gives the impression that dachshunds are still used for hunting, but looking at the old style dachshund and the modern dachshunds, it seems unlikely that the modern dachshund would be useful in hunting. Is the hunting use historical or are there lines bred for show and lines bred for working dachshund which follows different standards? --165.21.154.88 (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course they're still bred and used for hunting. At least in Europe afaik. To use a Dachshund solely as family dog or as show dog is to waste the use of a very good dog. That show dog breeders sometimes get their dog ideals skewed is a long and old story best told somewhere else, the rules also vary depending on country. Where I come from there's a long and steady tradition of maintaining good quality in hunting dogs, but there's also a bit of a conflict between the "working dog crowd" and the "show dog crowd". Long story short: yes, they're still used for hunting. † Herzleid † (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Wire haired daschshund doesn't really merit an article of its own, as it has little or no encyclopedic content that isn't already here. I'm proposing to merge it in and redirect as a mis-spelling. JCzech (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think just a redirect is necessary as there's currently hardly anything left after I removed all of the non-encyclopedic (user opinion) content. What's left is the unsourced info that it is the "calmest of all dogs", it's shape and color (both of which are already covered in this article). AngelOfSadness  talk  00:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done! JCzech (talk) 10:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

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Dachshund
It says they "tend to stick their hind legs out to the side when lying down". This is not clear. Do they put both legs out on the same side like the pic in the "History" section, or do they sort of splay with one leg sticking out each side? A picture would resolve the ambiguity. --Milkbreath (talk) 20:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I saw some dachshund puppies before, and they weren't laying like stated, but of course a dog can lay anyway it wants and almost every dog does lay that way, so it really has no need to be mentioned. Mokoniki (talk) 21:51, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Mokoniki


 * I have two dachshunds, both piebald dapples. I'm here to tell you that they do both, and it really depends what they are laying on, and which dog it is! My 2 year old only lies with her legs to the side on hard surfaces, but on soft surfaces (e.g. the bed, carpet, grass) she will occassionally do this, but sometimes with her legs under her. My older girl, who is 5, will only lie with her legs to the side when she is "waiting" for something, like dinner, or to go outside, and it doesn't matter what surface. When she's not waiting, her legs are always beneath her, one to each side.  I'd say honestly, it's a POV, and not encyclopedic content anyways.--Chÿna 17:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Daschsunds as Pets
Dachshunds make great pets. They are good family dogs and are great with kids. They can tollerate alot of holding and petting from over-loving kids. They are considered "lap dogs" and will whineif left alone for too long. They are easy to house train and are quick to learn. They love attention and will be a companion for life. You have to love and have patience with these dogs as they bark loudly at the sight of any small animal. They make great pets and you will become attached to your Dachshund. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.8.42.166 (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with Chÿna. You must have gotten that info from your own personal experience with dachshunds. It's better to go with the expert opinion than just one person's opinion alone. Mokoniki (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2009 (UTC)Mokoniki


 * I'm not clear on what you're wanting here. Are you just making a statement, or in some way debating part of the article? If the former is true: just making a statement, just skip to the last two sentences. But if the latter is the case, then read on.
 * Your statement is POV and has ambiguous relative terms like great, good, and easy. Some dachshunds will do/be what you've stated above, and others won't. Depends on the dog, the owner, and the condition in which both find themselves. Like with any dog, they reflect their environment and the perception of the owner. Two of your statements are specific to dachshunds (their loud bark, for which they've been bred, and their proclivity to whining due to separation anxiety), but are already in the article. The rest could apply to any dog.
 * Arguably, any dog breed can make a good family dog, despite the breed's general traits. (e.g. Pit bulls are a notoriously aggressive breed, but I know several that are perfect family dogs). Any breed can also make a bad family dog. (e.g. Labs are famously gentle breeds, but my neighbor has a black lab who always attacks the fence, snarling, growling, and snapping, when kids or other dogs are near. I have no doubt that someday, he will either kill another dog or attack a child.) Dogs are bred for certain traits; those instincts will always be there because they are an animal. Dachshunds are no different: they were bred to hunt and to KILL. They were also bred to be loyal to the owners.  How those traits balance in each individual dachshund will work differently, and how owners exert control over them must and will pertain to that balance.
 * An article I have around here somewhere stated that Dachshunds are in the top 20 hardest dogs to housebreak. It is well documented that they are typically hard to housebreak for various reasons: because they are intelligent and have a mind of their own, they are stubborn, they have squished up bladders, whatever. 99.99997% of the time, successful housebreaking always depends upon the diligence, persistence, and patience of the owner. It's also stated that in general, they are not good with small children because small kids don't understand dog etiquette, dachshunds can be scrappy and snap, or can be injured if man-handled (dog-handled?), etc. I have 2 kids that had to be taught to respect the dogs' space, not bother while dogs are eating, chewing on a toy, sleepy, or irritable. They're not small kids, but my 9 yr-old has Down Syndrome, so sometimes will act like a toddler--well so does my teenager, at times...Sorry if I got carried away.
 * Bottom line: yours is a point of view statement that reflects only your own experiences, and therefore it is not encyclopedic.
 * If you're just making a statement just to say, "Hey, this is MY experience and I luv doxies", then cool! In my own POV, I agree with most of your statement, and I luv doxies too. Cheers, --Chÿna 17:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Temperament
I have rewritten the "Personality" section in an attempt to produce something that is fair, NPOV, well-referenced. I do not own a Dachshund, and I welcome any well-cited input or changes. My edits were based on dogs I have met, and sources I consider reliable (good books, breed rescues and select breed clubs). The reason I use lots of rescue groups and only one breed club as refs is that in my experience breed clubs tend to portray their breed in a largely positive light, whereas rescue groups lay out the good and the bad to avoid people who shouldn't own the breed acquiring one. I'm aware that my edit may sound slightly negative, and I am continuing to seek reliable sources and expand the section further, but I hope that for the most part my edits are fair and portray both the wonderful and the more challenging aspects of the breed. -- Pharaoh Hound  (talk)  13:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just noticed that there are two temperament sections. Ugh, sorry about that.  The one I edited "Personality" now has more references, and should probably be incorporated into the other temperament section.  I'll work on that later.  Once again, sorry, not sure how I missed that.  -- Pharaoh Hound   (talk)  13:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Why did the Cowboy get a Dachsund?
He heard he should "get a long little doggy" —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndyHuston (talk • contribs) 12:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

mispronounciation
it is pronounced docks-hund not dash hound Matthew Cantrell (talk) 04:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That's what the IPA says in the first line. —C.Fred (talk) 13:12, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Is the Yahoo Answers link an appropriate source for the part about pronunciation?--98.117.166.80 (talk) 11:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's pronounced docks-hund in the US and dacks-hund in the UK. As far as I know, anyway. -- M elon 2 4 7 talk 13:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Yahoo Answers is not, in and of itself, an appropriate source. However, any sources given there may be evaluated as possible reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 14:36, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

redirect doxine
could we redirect the search term doxine to this article. I always thought it was doxine. it would help alot since most people think its doxine —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.215.109 (talk) 01:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

My Dachshund's back
It's so sad that when I got my dog that It had skin problems on his back and he has no hair on his back, even though he is a long-haired. It's certainly interesting to see. And he's like this because the humane society rescued him when he had every kind of bug and vermine on his back.. Jellyman64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC).

Is there any relationship to this breed and urinating in the house? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.87.251 (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Previous conversation
However, I don't agree with these fchanges. Before and now -. Most dog articles are small and undeveloped. I think these huge, long info-boxed infoboxes cover up half of the articles. It distorts the layout and messes up everything. Hafspajen (talk) 22:02, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * They do, but there is an alternative. Take a look at the Pendine Museum of Speed for instance. Eric   Corbett  22:11, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Collapse!! Hafspajen (talk) 01:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think  this kind of overactive additions are especially helpful.  Hafspajen (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * As I said before. Hafspajen (talk) 12:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed a couple of them?, would we have to do all of them individually or can it be done on the main template somehow? For some bizarre reason, it looks as if it knocks the 'Country of origin' out of line though?  SagaciousPhil  - Chat 13:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you'd have to do each of them individually, but might be a better person to ask.  Eric   Corbett  13:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Only that is still as long as it was almost... And what is that grey template doing in the beginning of the articles - reinfoboxed by this editor, like Korean Jindo - Dog (Canis lupus familiaris) - Now we have crappy articles with yards of infoboxes. How fun. Jagdterrier Hafspajen (talk) 12:00, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Eric. Hafs, I've had a go at fixing Korean Jindo; as well as putting "collapsed infoxbox section end" you have to put "collapsed infobox section begin" - or it shifts the lower box bit over to the start of the article. [Now, wasn't that clever of me to work that out by myself? I won't give my secret away by saying I copied what Eric had done ] SagaciousPhil  - Chat 14:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

MMmm... Hafspajen (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand this kind of editing. I am now collapsing those unnecessary infoboxes to avoid more vandalism. This editor decided to update the links in infoboxes on dog articles, - even if they apparently don't have a clue about dogs. Lately he decided to add not only links but lengthy descriptions and humorous alt captions - too. And all that stuff in them almost always the target for vandals to do sneaky changes to weights, heights etc, as stated. So now we have to run after and collapse. Hafspajen (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * So let me get this straight: because some editors are prone to sneaky vandalism, we're now going to hide the text away so the vandalism is less likely to get detected? I don't see how that helps at all. —C.Fred (talk) 18:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * As I said before at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs - why would an editor edit just dog articles - if they don't know about dogs. Hafspajen (talk) 16:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

, hope you don't mind - moved discussion here, but I get reverted all the time. Probably should be moved to dog task force too. Hafspajen (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Procedural note. The above block of text was just copied in from User talk:Sagaciousphil. —C.Fred (talk) 16:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Note,, and myself are mostly the active editors at the WikiProject Dogs, since several years. And User:C.Fred, you broke the three revert rule, with your reverts. Hafspajen (talk) 16:38, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Some discussion that doesn't fit anywhere

 * MOVE here then discussion. Hafspajen (talk) 18:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I did explained now. I know by experience that there is a regular vandalism wave on dog articles, - Some get an account but get blocked. And now even Ips of all kinds go around and change weight and heights. It happens time to time.  Sometime it goes undiscovered because editors have to have special knowledge to recognize it is wrong. And it comes up as no change in the history. This is a rather sneaky way of vandalize pages, and it gives us a lot of trouble. Hafspajen (talk) 17:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * As you can notice, I tried to do it here to. I really don't think it is bad code at all, actually it is quite good.  Hafspajen (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't be against me. I was working a lot with this article. Vandalism will still be visible in the history, but the possibility of it decrease. Hafspajen (talk) 18:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * YES; I left a comment, but I removed it too! It was not that version you reverted later, but the corrected one. Hafspajen (talk) 19:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Forced collapse of infobox?
Why are we forcing a collapse of the traits and specifications sections into a collapse box? I don't see what's gained in formatting by hiding this data. —C.Fred (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't feel it's a problem to collapse the lower sections of info boxes especially those that have recently had quite a number of the info box parameters filled in (height, weight etc) making the boxes unwieldy and in some cases longer than the text of the article. Could you let me know what you feel is wrong with the code as I see you refer to it as "bad code"?  SagaciousPhil  - Chat 18:31, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * My big concern with the first edit was what looked like a comment was left in the collapse heading.
 * My other concern is that this sort of double-collapse should not be done by hard-coding templates. If we want to be able to have collapsed the default state for the traits section, and/or for the standards section, that should be added to the functionality of the infobox. Then, rather than hard code, just add the  parameter to the infobox, and it gets hidden by default automatically. —C.Fred (talk) 18:42, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sure the comment being inserted in the first edit was a genuine mistake - it looks as if it was a copy of the edit summary included in error. As you can see in the discussion from my talk page (now below) I asked whether it could be coded into the template itself as these technicalities are well outside of my capabilities. If it is possible I would suggest it would make things much easier - this Dachshund article could end up with infobox(s) monopolising it, which I feel has now happened at the Poodle article. I also agree with Hafspajen that while it will not completely prevent heights, weights, etc being chopped and changed it may help reduce the amount of it thereby cutting down the amount of time wasted verifying the correct information. SagaciousPhil  - Chat 19:13, 11 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Moved that back. No, I think as a long time dog editor - that I just might stop being a long time dog editor. The articles are in overall poor shape, lots and lots of vandalism that just takes time to fix - weird edits that just starting to fix links - all over the place - that's the only thing happening. As stated, most of the articles are in a pretty poor state but no, they have to fix links and mess about with info boxes. And make double as much work - or would have made. If anybody would care anymore. I start unwatching the dog articles, because I had enough. I don't care if this is all that comes out of it. Remove now all dog articles from my watch-list. I removed this already.,  you take over from now. Hafspajen (talk) 21:30, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Haf, I'm not taking over any dog articles--I got enough on my plate. This is a minor dispute that can be worked out, I am sure. Drmies (talk) 23:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Anyone who thinks they can do it better can take over, I don't care anymore. We were two editors here who regularly worked with it, because the others quit. Well, I quit now. Phil - she is not in the state off doing any good at the moment, and I am not going to make all this extra work because she is not here, because the info-boxes getting longer and sillier every day - and because I got reverted three times just because I was trying to do something we agreed on. And I am not going to do everything  and get kicked in the as for it too,  - sorry. Hafspajen (talk) 00:00, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is, what you agreed on was in a private talk. It had never gotten public scrutiny at this article (since the change was at the article level) or, as far as I could see, at the template or project level. And while that's fine, there's still the issue of, if there's not broader acceptance, it needs broader discussion. —C.Fred (talk) 01:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I can only say what I said before - there are no long time regular editors with a broad knowledge about dogs, who regularly patrol dog all articles, revert vandalism, watch dog articles and write content in dog articles. We did that all. If it have been more, we would know about it - watching the recent changes. There was one more, Tikuko. She is not here anymore. We were the only editors who bothered to keep articles in shape. That would have been one of the main point - because there are so few watchers - to reduce the potential amount of vandalism we were reverting daily and hourly. And --- now they are None. Hafspajen (talk) 04:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Non-free use of File:Waldi, Olympic logo 1972.png
The non-free use of this file in Dachsund is currently being discussed at. All interested editors are welcome to participate. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 08:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

A Question
Is the fact that dachshunds came before hot dogs important enough to be in this article? Just checking before I add it. FrenchDachshund (talk) 19:21, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, I put it, just tell me if there is a problem. FrenchDachshund (talk) 02:33, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It's way too trivia to be mentioned here. It's better handled at hot dog. —C.Fred (talk) 03:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

no —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.52.187 (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Good article! I suggest for that! 178.223.239.50 (talk) 08:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Have you heard of the Tweenie size Dachshund? Rebecca Freiman (talk) 14:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This is mentioned in the article.- BC talk to me  17:46, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Queen Victoria's "Dash"
Queen Victoria is mentioned owning a dachshund named "Dash" in 1833. I have consulted both the primary source and the sources given; she was clearly referring to a King Charles Spaniel given to her mother by Sir John Conroy, not a dachshund, in the diary entry. I suggest this fact be removed when the article again opens for editing.142.0.155.106 (talk) 13:03, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

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Blonde/Red Haired Dachshund Representation
The page has a marked Black and Tan Dachshund but no representation for English cream or red Dachshunds.
 * Added Red back in February. Rocckker13 (talk) 07:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Plagiarism (and seemingly frivolous at that)
New to editing, but I thought this sentence rather frivolous.

"In as much as the Dachshund is a hunting dog, scars from honorable wounds shall not be considered a fault"

I saw it comes directly from the source

Should we take it out?

QUCE16 (talk) 00:06, 25 April 2018 (UTC)


 * No; it's relevant to the official appearance standards for the breed. I've attributed it to the AKC standards, reworded, and put the smaller portion of direct quotation in quotation marks. —C.Fred (talk) 15:37, 25 April 2018 (UTC)