Talk:Daedalus

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Removal
Removed """In the nineteenth century, Thomas Bulfinch combined these into a single synoptic view of material which Andrew Stewart calls a "historically-intractable farrago of 'evidence', heavily tinged with Athenian cultural chauvinism""""

-Since there's no source indicating where that came from nor if that's even true. Sounds like idiotic gossip to me, and it'll remain being so until somebody place the source of where that came from (which the first author certainly wont) so, there obviously wont be.

Comments
IMHO Daedalus is the correct transliteration of the greek name, Daedalus is the latin form. Since the origin is greek mythology, the greek name should be given first.


 * That sounds believable, but the English Wikipedia generally prefers the most common usage/spelling of a word in English - in this case that would be Daedalus. So I will revert for now, unless a consensus decides otherwise (in which case a page move would be in order). However, its worth making a more explicit mention that Daidalos is the Greek transliteration somewhere in the article. -- Solipsist 00:58, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)


 * as i am unsure how to go about doing this i will leave this idea here. "there should be a section about uses in common pop culture such as that 'daedalus' is the name of a main earth space ship in the show stargate sg-1 or that he is a main character in the book 'the battle of the labyrinth' by rick riordan."

Outstanding density
"Minos had to have the labyrinth to imprison his wife's son: the Minotaur. Daedalus had built Minos' wife, Pasiphae, a wooden cow so she could mate with the bull. Poseidon had cursed her with zoophilia." This text in just 35 words gives the following misconceptions: Yikes! --Wetman 03:50, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The labyrinth was a prison.
 * The Minotaur was the "stepson" of Minos.
 * Minos was an individual with a biography rather than an archetype.
 * Pasiphaë was "his" wife.
 * Her "mating" with the bull-god was a "curse".
 * The dysfunctional psychology of zoophilia is relevant.

In my Latin class we translated a passage (I believe from the Metamorphoses) which backed up those statements. I'm aware that there are many versions of myths; is the one I read the less popular one? Sir Akroy 15:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Attribution of sources needed
Most of this article is taken verbatim from Bulfinch's Mythology. The 1979 edition of that volume has the text in question on page 156 (in the "Stories of Gods and Heroes" section). Though the text itself is out of copyright, nevertheless reprinting it without giving proper credit to Professor Bullfinch seems akin to plagiarism. I'm making a note as to the correct authorship on the main page, and when time permits I will be rewriting the article so taht it is not longer plagiarized.

Please, people, let us respect the work of others and give credit where credit is due, okay?Manticore 18:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Good! Graves Myths and Kerenyi's Gods both give Greek sources in notes. Fresh text can be derived directly from translations of the sources. --Wetman 18:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I've removed the note on the main page since nothings been done and normally your supposed to discuss about sources either in the discussion page or via a {1911} tag, or in a "Sources" sub-section. So long as its public domain, there is no reason to call attention to it in the opening lines of the article. Thats one of the benefits of Wikipedia, public domain text can be imported and over time will be expanded and hopefully be improved by other authors. Stbalbach 01:45, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

"Athena turned Perdix into a partridge and left a scar that looks like a partridge on Daedalus' right shoulder" - I'm trying to locate the source of the statement about the partridge-shaped scar.RLKA (talk) 12:09, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Attribution still needed
I utterly disagree that attribution is unneeded for public domain documents (though I admit that I have been remiss in not following up). A lack of attribution gives the mistaken impression that this is original work: I don't care that Thomas Bulfinch is long dead, he should still be given credit, and persons new to the still of myth should know the origins of what they are reading. More importantly, the tone of this article is un-encyclopedic. It needs heavy revision. At any rate, I'm returning the line about Bulfinch to the main page. Manticore 22:52, 30 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Added a sources sub-section, standard Wikipedia protocol. Done all the time for EB1911 articles, and others, that are copied verbatum. Stbalbach 03:21, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

Text sounds like Ovid
The text of the page about Daedalus sounds like a translation of Ovid's stor from the Metamorphoses. Perhaps it would be better to include more outside information rather than merely one particular author's account of the story.

roman/greek mythology
I am not very knowledgeable in mythology, but the roman and greek stories of deadalus, i think, are mixed up, or it is not clearly stated which version is the information being taken from. From other wikipedia articles I found that: - homer wrote the early greek myths - lapix mentioned as a son of daedalus in roman mythology - minerva is a roman goddess, and is the roman counterpart to the greek goddess Athena. There is probably more crossing overs of the roman/greek versions of daedalus, but I could not find/ describe them. This make the article unreliable, for someone reasearching, for example, the greek figure daeadlus. I am hoping that someone with a better knowledge of the subject will correct this because, right now, I do not have the time to research all of this. --Michael Diaz 01:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The Labyrinth as dancing-ground
He is first mentioned by Homer as the creator of a wide dancing-ground for Ariadne [1]. Homer refers to Ariadne by her Cretan title, the "Lady of the Labyrinth" [2]. The Labyrinth on Crete in which the Minotaur was kept was also created by the artificer Daedalus.

My concern is that the word "also" in the above quotation posits the interpretation that the Labyrinth at Knossos and the dancing-ground for Ariadne are two distinct creations. Another interpretation is that they are the same structure. Regard the following excerpt from the wikipedia entry for Labyrinth:

That the Cretan labyrinth had been a dancing-ground and was made for Ariadne rather than for Minos was remembered by Homer in Iliad xviii.590–593, where, in the pattern that Hephaestus inscribed on Achilles' shield, one incident pictured was a dancing-ground "like the one that Daedalus designed in the spacious town of Knossos for Ariadne of the lovely locks."

Copyediting in the "Family" section
"Daedalus", in my opinion, is a very important Wikipedia page for mythology. Daedalus is an important figure, so he should have a clean Wikipedia page. However, in the "Family" section, I see a floating quote from Socrates and some poor writing (eg "In this quote", which sounds a bit too much like an elementary school essay). How should I fix the floating Socrates quote? I'd like to incorporate it into the sentence after it but I'm not sure how. YoSoyUnHamster (talk) 01:15, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I think I fixed it, but I still want a copyediting/English expert to look at it. YoSoyUnHamster (talk) 01:22, 10 May 2018 (UTC)