Talk:Dagenham

May and Baker plant
Isn't this currently being demolished? Does anyone know the plans for the site? MRSC 09:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

History
Should the "Moby-Dick Public House" really link to a wiki article about the book of the same name? I understand that that was the inspiration for the name of the pub, but the fact is that the article if mentioning the pub while wiki-linking to the book. I may be wrong, let me know Darigan (talk) 13:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope ... the rule of thumb is the link should point to something directly relevant to the subject - in this case, a bit too peripheral. You could link 'public house' - but I think that is a little too generic for linking too. Simple words, parts of expressions, etc probably shouldn't be linked. If the pub were (for instance) the White Hart - that might be worth linking since the association isn't absolutely clear. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 14:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I think so BKots-WMF (talk) 04:40, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * D BKots-WMF (talk) 04:41, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Notable residents
Hi, i've just re-organised the notable residents section from paragraphs of block text to a list. While i was editing it, i couldn't help but feel that some of the listed notable residents were not necessarily terribly notable. Don't want to hurt anyones feelings, but should we shave the list a little? Maybe i'm being far too harsh, given that the wikilinks for most notable residents actually go to an article about that person, anyways, let me know what you think. Cheers Darigan (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I say move all to List of people from Barking and Dagenham. MRSC (talk) 15:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I don't know if that is necessarily the best option. Dagenham is a funny old one - On the one hand we have the Constituency/Borough article for Barking and Dagenham, and then we have seperate pages for Dagenham and for Barking. I am a Dagenham resident (does that create a COI?), but i would think that if the Dagenham page stays (as opposed to being merged with the Barking page, which it probably should not be - i understand that the two areas only became the same borough at some point in the late 70's or early 80's), as it should do, then it is reasonable to have a "Notable Residents" section within the page - although, the notability of some of those listed may be questioned by some, and indeed, the relationship that some of the "Notable Resients" actually have with Dagenham may be tenuous at best. If a few more wikipedians were to get involved in the discussion i'm sure that we could reach a result that sits comfortably with the general wikipedia style for such an article. (Apologies, i have just re-read what i wrote, and it reads terribly - alas i am too dozy right now to edit it) Best, Darigan (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Usually the locality articles only contain the most significant people related to it and they are incorporated into the main text (history/culture sections). Manchester for example only has a link to a list article. MRSC (talk) 17:20, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * f BKots-WMF (talk) 04:47, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * f BKots-WMF (talk) 04:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

"Dagenham is a suburban town in northeast London"
That is a distortion of the facts for snob reasons - Dagenham is an eastend London suburb. From the map on the page anyone can see that it is in the east, not the northeast. Also the largest council estate in Europe. 92.24.69.222 (talk) 00:48, 2 January 2010 (UTC).

Dagenham has never been a town insofar as it has never had a market charter. I know of no other clear definition of a town.

"the largest council estate in Europe" that you refer to is correctly called Becontree. Though commonly called 'Dagenham' it extended into the neighbouring urban districts of Barking and Ilford. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.163.160 (talk) 11:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Proposal to remove Popular culture section
The section is completely unsourced, includes claims about living people and fails to meet "In popular culture" content guidance, I propose to delete it unless there are reasonable objections in line with policy. --Fæ (talk) 00:00, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dudley Moore should definitely stay - I'll look for a suitable ref. Pterre (talk) 11:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * OK I've moved Dudley Moore to 'notable people' on the grounds that he was notable and that his background undoubtedly influenced Pete and Dud. Moved Made in Dagenham to the section on the Ford plant. Do your worst! Pterre (talk) 12:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ The last version of the IPC section can be seen here if anyone wants to salvage parts of it. Fæ (talk) 07:39, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

The Roundhouse
I think there is a mix up here - I believe the bands you quote as playing at the Roundhouse Dagenham actually played at the Roundhouse in Camden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.168.78.9 (talk) 11:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

92.16.203.103 (talk) 16:59, 5 April 2021 (UTC) Nope, the Roundhouse in Dagenham was for a time East London's premier music venue. Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Elton John and a host of other played there in the late 60s and early - mid 70s.

Martin

Facts omitted?
"Other factors leading to the closure of the Auto-assembly line were the need of the site for the new Diesel Centre of Excellence, which produces half of Ford's Diesel Engines worldwide and the UK employment laws when compared to Spanish, German and Belgian laws. In 2005 Cummins went into a joint venture and offered $15 million (US) to reinstate the factory."

The difference between UK employment laws and those of Spain, Germany and Belgium is not made clear here.

Who or what was Cummins?

A few more words in this paragraph would be a help to those in the future who won't remember 2005. --Oldontarian (talk) 14:52, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've got a pronounciation problem
Now I have got a question. Is UK English speaker told this city's pronounciation for or ? I have searched for no results on many of the dictionaries.--WKDx417 (talk) 05:22, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

The wards of Alibon, Mayesbrook, Parsloes, Thames and Valence are in the Barking Parliamentary Constituency.
These ward are in Barking PC, but the only reason they are mentioned under Dagenham is that they were in Dagenham PC until 2010. The wording suggests they are still part of Dagenham, but there is no bordered entity called Dagenham except the post town, which is unconnected with the wards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 01:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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"Distinct and suburban town?"
Is this a spelling mistake for district? Either way, it makes the article sound unprofessional and poorly written. The introduction should be replaced with the following:

''Dagenham is a residential town and suburban area in London, England, located 11.5 miles (18.5 km) east of Charing Cross. [2] Dagenham forms the latter part of the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham [3] and contains the Becontree Estate, one of the largest residential estates ever built. Identified as a district centre in the London Plan, Dagenham Heathway forms a mainly convenience goods based local retail centre for communities in the immediate area.''

''Historically a parish in the county of Essex, it was an agrarian village and remained mostly undeveloped until 1921, when the London County Council began construction of the large Becontree estate. The population of the area significantly increased in the 20th century, with the parish of Dagenham becoming an urban district in 1926 and a municipal borough in 1938. It has formed part of Greater London since 1965 and is a predominantly residential area, with some areas of declining industrial activity, including the Ford Dagenham plant. The southern part of Dagenham, adjacent to the River Thames, forms part of the London Riverside section of the Thames Gateway redevelopment area.''

The removal of references to 'East London' in favour of simply 'London' is also better as 'east london' has no formal definitions, whereas the area of Dagenham has status as both a town and a district of Barking and Dagenham Borough. Information about the Becontree Estate is also central to the town and should be in the introduction section, as is Heathway's status as a district centre.

If you disagree, please state why as I've had a small edit war over this and would like to know the opinions of others. 01:48 10 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think that was a typo. So I've changed "distinct" to "district". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion moved from article
(Dagenham is the name of a post town, and of a pre-1965 borough (and parish before that) with very different boundaries to the post town. Perhaps because of the name 'London Borough of Barking & Dagenham', adopted on 1 January 1980 to replace 'London Borough of Barking', there is an apparent popular - but incorrect - assumption that everywhere in that borough is either in Barking or in Dagenham. From 1965 it was true to say that everywhere in the then new London Borough was in one of the two former boroughs, but in the mid 1990s substantial areas of the London Borough of Redbridge were transferred to the borough, such that the entire Becontree and Padnall Estates were in LB Barking and Dagenham. Furthermore, parts of three post towns - Barking, Dagenham and Romford - cover the borough. The parliamentary constituency of Dagenham, formed in 1945, ceased to exist from the 2010 General Election, the six easternmost wards of LB Barking & Dagenham having become part of the Dagenham & Rainham Constituency, with three wards in LB Havering, leaving most LB Barking & Dagenham wards in the enlarged Barking constituency.)

There is no way this belongs in the article. MRSC (talk) 07:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * There is no way this belongs in the article.


 * There is no way this belongs in the talk page either. Point please? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:32, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The removed paragraph succinctly explains the ambiguity of 'Dagenham' as a place name. As someone elsewhere in the talk pointed out the only "bordered entity" called Dagenham that has existed since 2010 is the post town.


 * The article itself cites a figure for the population of Dagenham, but it is not at all clear what definition of Dagenham they are using. Presumably it comprises eastern wards of LB Barking & Dagenham, but it does not say which, nor justify the selection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.163.160 (talk) 12:08, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Unlinked footnote
Footnote 1 says "The 10 wards in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham that constitued Dagenham Parliamentary constituency from 1983-2010 were: Alibon, Becontree, Eastbrook, Goresbrook, Heath, Mayesbrook, Parsloes, River, Valence, and Village. In 2010 part of constituency was ceded to Barking constituency and the rest became part of Dagenham & Rainham Constituency."

But this footnote is not referenced in the main article. It makes an important point as it defines (I think) the "Dagenham" for which the population figure is cited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.163.160 (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)