Talk:Dagorhir/archive 1

To whom it may concern:

My name is Sean Richey. I am a member of a group called the Dagorhir Battle Game Association. This group was established over 26 years ago, and and our membership has exploded internationally to include some 65 Chapters worldwide.

In 2001, we had to take legal action to prevent a hostile takeover. This included hiring legal counsel, trademarking our name, and passing out cease and desist orders to the offending parties. Having frustrated their attempt, these people instead created a competing organization, Belegarth.

The last paragraph of the Wikipedia Dagorhir listing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagorhir) was obviously written by one of these people:

In 2001, due to serious disagreements between the leaders of the Aratari and many of the other chapters, Dagorhir suffered a serious split. Many realms, fed up with the arrogance and disrespect shown towards them by the leaders of the Aratari, split from Dagorhir and founded a very similar group, known as Belegarth.

It's offensive and misleading. This is trolling. Worse, it's an abuse of Wikipedia's open forum intended specifically to damage our organization's reputation and success, while boosting their own at Dagorhir's expense.

I know that Wikipedia is a respectable and reputable organization. What must we do to prevent this from happening?

Please advise.

Sincerest regards, Sean Richey

Cease and Desist Letters to Belegarth Founders:  Dagorhir had to resort to legal methods to make Belegarth stop using the Dagorhir name, or trying to collect money using the Dagorhir name. Why are they using Wikipedia's resources advertise themselves under Dagorhir's name and under Dagorhir's expense.

We understood Wikipedia to be a reputable resource.

If this site allows itself to be a propaganda machine for competing businesses, what does that say about Wikipedia?

Why can't Belegarth talk about itself on its own definition? Dagorhir doesn't talk about who it's not. Why must Belegarth? Define yourself by who you are and what you do. Not who you hate and what you can say to defame them.

Wikipedia, how much legal responsibility do you assume for your posts?

Seriously, the leadership on both sides of the argument are so ridiculous and childlike that you have no possible moral high ground on which to stand and make these proclamations of your side's correctness. This is not an issue of people from Belegarth "hating" people from Dagorhir--it's an issue of Sean Richey and Gregg Larson, as well as a few others with overinflated egos, hating each other. Grow up, all of you. The best thing you could all do for the sport is resign and leave someone else in charge so we can all get along with having fun. Last summer, I went to Armageddon one week and with only a stop at the laundromat Ragnarok the next, and had an amazing time both weeks. Get over yourselves.

Oh, and as far as Wikipedia being objective, that means that it isn't here to tell your side of the story any more than it is to tell Belegarth's. And it assumes basically no responsibility for posts. It's a user-policed community. That's the whole point. It's only as reputable a resource as people make it--if you were to cite Wikipedia in an academic paper, you'd be laughed out of town. -BadTrollBad (unsigned)

-Having to take legal action to avoid being taken over and getting constantly defamed as seen on this wikipage the whole time is childish on who's part? There is also no mention of wikipedia being an academic paper anywhere. I fight with Dagorhir and Belegarth people as well, but I also know what the deal is and know where things stand. It's rather clear that someone attacked Dagorhir on this page, not the other way around. Also, isn't what you're doing even more childish? Aren't you being a part of the problem by trying to place blame and not just let it go away?--DeMyztikX 07:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Filling Out Info
I've added a few new bits and pieces and plan to do more work on the wiki. If anyone wants to edit my style, grammer and spelling feel free.--DeMyztikX 02:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Just the facts
The Battle of Badon Hill started off as a fall campout for Aratari, it now exists as the second largest event hosting over 400 people.

I deleted this because it states as fact something that is a speculative estimate for an event that has not yet taken place. This is extremely sloppy editing, and brings down the quality of this article and the Wiki in general.

Remember to use the "assume good faith rule" anything but is rude, and brings down the quality of wikipedia and the internet in general. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith

Well, now that it's past, and there is a fact present in the article, I think it's fine as it is.

Pictures
I think this article could really, really benefit from some pictures. Any Dagorhirrim willing to go out in garb and post some GPL pics? Cephyr 03:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Links
There's already a link to the Dagorhir units and chapters so I removed the individual links them (namely Kansas chapter and Rome). DeMyztikX 22:57, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

History
Removed bogus change to name of Dagorhir's founder, and corrected the spelling that was present in the earlier version. Kyrax 18:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)