Talk:Dalek/Archive 3

Doctor Who: Greatest Monsters & Villains
Should something be added to this article about the Dalek's appearance in "Doctor Who: Greatest Monsters & Villains"? -GWires — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.188.204 (talk) 18:11, 27 November 2013 (UTC) yes,yes it should. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superdude122 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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Who invented the look of the Dalek? - Nikola Tesla !
Have a good look at these and then re-evaluate your beliefs.

http://www.institutotesla.org/

http://www.institutotesla.org/tech/tesla-letterhead.jpg

http://www.clipartillustration.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Tesla-Tower-on-White.jpg

http://www.reformation.org/nikola-tesla.html

http://www.reformation.org/e-tesla-world-system2.jpg


 * This is not a forum for general discussion about Daleks, so what has it got to do with the WP article? This is all pure speculation and WP:OR. The world is full of conical structures with lumps down the side, so thanks for providing additional confirmation (if any were needed) that the look of the Daleks was indeed 'invented' by Raymond Cusick. 86.157.166.241 (talk) 10:17, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Are Daleks child soldiers and fictional tanks?
The Daleks were never intended to sell cars; they are clearly based off of Nazi tanks. That Daleks are the single most talented species at tank piloting is what makes them horrifying. In Doomsday the tenth Doctor says, "Sealed inside your casing, no feeling anything, ever. From birth to death, locked inside a cold metal cage." No anime mech pilot has spent that much time piloting. CensoredScribe (talk) 02:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source for this Nazi tank assertion? I have seen numerous interviews and documentaries about their creation and this was never mentioned. They are neither of the things mentioned in your section header either. In reading your question you will want to read wikipedias policies regarding Original research and WP:SYNTHESIS MarnetteD | Talk 03:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Your attempts to rationalise the attribution to articles of the dozens of WP Templates you create is becoming ever more desperate and tenuous. Let us consider what you have written:
 * 1. "...intended to sell cars". A comment masquerading as supporting logic for your argument where none exists. Where in the article is any claim made that Daleks have any similarity to car salesmen?


 * 2. "...clearly based off of Nazi tanks". Unsupportable unless you can point toward some Nazi tank designs which show an unmistakeable similarity to Daleks, and/or can provide reliable sources where this identification has been made.


 * 3. "...the single most talented species at tank piloting is what makes them horrifying". Your assertion, then, is that despite significant attempts by the media over the years to identify what makes Daleks such 'successful monsters', it is actually the result of the skill with which they are shown to maneuver their travel machines. One can only wonder how you feel about Zamboni drivers...


 * 4. "No anime mech pilot has spent that much time piloting". This supports your argument how? Do you believe that categorisation as either a child soldier or a fictional tank is dependent upon time behind the wheel?


 * None of you comments address at all why you consider Daleks should be categorised as child soldiers. You appear to have a poor grasp of what 'child soldiers' means, how the addition of such templates to articles should function to assist and guide Wikipedia readers, or both. I also fully concur with what MarnetteD has advised regarding Original research and WP:SYNTHESIS. These matters have been raised with you before, both on article talk pages and your own talk page, and your activities have been the subject of discussion at ANI. This is not the application of censorship; people are trying to assist you to improve your editing skills in the best interests of the WP community. It really is time that you took this on board. Bowdenford (talk) 10:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Pic in infobox Apr 2014
Currently we have a pic of the 2010 redesign. While there was a plan to use this design in all subsequent episodes this was abandoned by "Asylum of the Daleks". I think we should have a pic from either the Classic series or from the current series before this change. Either one would be more representative of the overall look of the iconic creatures look. We could move the redesign version to the appropriate section in the article. Other input is welcome. MarnetteD | Talk 23:37, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The old one (File:Daleks appearence.jpg) was deleted since it was replaced. Tell me if I should reupload. — Edokter  ( talk ) — 23:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info Edoktor. I think that would be a good idea. I just think that the infobox should have a pic of the Daleks that are (or were in the case of the Classic series) seen regularly. While the 2010 redesign is seen in the background of the 'Parliament of the Daleks' in "Asylum..." we haven't seen them since then. If you want to wait until others add their thoughts that is okay with me. MarnetteD | Talk 00:04, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Go for a montage that gives you both older and newer designs. GraemeLeggett (talk) 05:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry that we let the conversation go stale. if you could please put back the previous pic I think that would be great. If anyone else wants to work on a montage that would be fine as well but we should have a more representative pic of them as I suggested at the start of this conversation. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * File has been restored.  08:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:48, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Upcoming Dalek story
This article is about the Daleks in general. It is not a space to advertize the upcoming episode - which BTW wont be upcoming in a couple of weeks. Individual episodes are listed in the navbox at the bottom of the article and the next one is already there. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Rusty as a nickname?
A minor point, but should the Doctor's use of the name 'Rusty' for the main antagonist in Into the Dalek be classified in the article as giving it a nickname, or just naming it? I would say it's the latter, because all of the dictionary sources I have consulted define 'nickname' as follows, or very similar.
 * ''1. A familiar or humorous name given to a person or thing instead of or as well as the real name.
 * 2. A byname; a secondary name; a person's surname.

On that basis if Daleks don't have names in the first place (Cult of Skaro excepted) how can any name assigned to a Dalek be a nickname? 'Dalek' isn't a Dalek's name, it's what it is. 109.158.123.179 (talk) 19:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * All of this is WP:OR and WP:SYNTH on your part. BTW he does refer to it as a Dalek earlier in the episode. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * It's neither WP:OR or WP:SYNTH on my part. Since when did citing dictionary definitions in support of a proposal that a word is being used incorrectly qualify on either count? With the one exception quoted, throughout the history of Dalek appearances in the Doctor who programme they have remained nameless; that's an evidential fact, not research or synthesis. BTW nowhere have I claimed that he doesn't refer to it as a Dalek earlier in the episode; he does because that's what it is, not because it's name is 'Dalek'. I have dog but that's what it is, not what it's name is. (Actually it's name is Bentley. I've called it that several times earlier this evening, BTW. It remains a dog, however, and not a Bentley, no matter how much I might wish it otherwise). 109.158.123.179 (talk) 23:36, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * You are not making much sense. Rusty is a nickname because it's just what the Doctor decides to call him.  The Dalek isn't actually called that.  It's not like he's adopted and christened it. Mezigue (talk) 23:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand what you are saying (except for the adoption and christening bit). The point I'm trying to make is that the definition of 'nickname' isn't just what somebody decides to call something. It's a name that's given instead of or as well as the real name. So, to qualify as a nickname, the person or thing needs to have a real name in the first place. Daleks don't have real names. They have a descriptive or species identification, 'Dalek', but that isn't any individual Dalek's name. Rusty isn't Dalek the Dalek, it's yet another nameless Dalek creature. That being the case I'm suggesting that while it's definitely been named, it can't have been nicknamed. 109.158.123.179 (talk) 16:43, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Rel (time)
Aspect of a fictional species should be described on the page of that species. No indication of why this merits its own page. 331dot (talk) 18:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems entirely reasonable to me. --Yamla (talk) 22:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Completely agreed. In fact, I'll be bold and turn Rel (time) into a redirect now. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:32, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

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How the word Dalek came about
I'm very surprised that there is no reference to the origin of the word or name 'Dalek'. I recall an article from an interview with Terry Nation, which would have been in the 60's. He stated that he was thinking about what to call the creatures and looked up at a set of encyclopaedias, one of which contained items between 'dal and ek'. I wouldn't know how to find a reference, nor what the magazine was. ¬¬¬¬ — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterM88 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes that story pops up from time to time. Nation later admitted that it was a joke. You can add to that the fact that there has never been an encyclopedia where a volume was split using those letters. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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