Talk:Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex/Archive 1

principal city status
Garland kinda sucks. Granted Carrollton shouldn't be in there. Also, the only reason why McKinney is in there is because of its historical importance as county seat of Collin (being geographically in the middle of the county and was once the largest city), now, of course Plano is. ProdigySportsman


 * For now. Growth projections have Frisco overtaking Plano, and then McKinney overtaking Frisco to become the largest city in Collin County.  Plano is landlocked and is pretty much built out.  Frisco is also landlocked to the north, but still has a lot of room to grow.  Chfowler 02:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Henderson county?
Who designated Henderson county as part of the DFW Metroplex? I think that's bizarre. Why not use the county list employed by the NCTCOG? Nova SS 03:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Henderson County is still colored on the graphic. This seems highly odd. Also, Delta County is not colored but is listed.

I'm new at this, and hope this was ok. I used Photoshop and removed the Red from Henderson County and filled in Delta County.

Garland not a principal city?
Just what makes a city in a metropolitan area a principal city anyway?


 * Someone please define Principal City so that this article can avoid POV.

The Term Principle City is used in this article, althoug it has been taken out of use by the template.

See: Template_talk:Dallas/Fort_Worth_Metroplex --Filthy swine 07:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Reverts regarding McKinney > 100,000 people
I reverted the edits by 147.26.198.222 because it does not appear the McKinney yet has 100,000 people according to the Census Bureau. The July 2005 population estimate is 96,581. McKinney probably will have > 100,000 when the July 2006 estimates are released in late June 2007, but let's wait until then to add. Ufwuct 17:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Central places as defined by the US Census Bureau
See Principal Cities of Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas for the December 2005 list of Principal cities for each CBSA. The definition of a principal city is:

(a) the largest incorporated place with a Census 2000 population of at least 10,000 in the CBSA or, if no incorporated place of at least 10,000 population is present in the CBSA, the largest incorporated place or census designated place in the CBSA; and (b) any additional incorporated place or census designated place with a Census 2000 population of at least 250,000 or in which 100,000 or more persons work; and (c) any additional incorporated place or census designated place with a Census 2000 population of at least 50,000, but less than 250,000, and in which the number of jobs meets or exceeds the number of employed residents; and (d) any additional incorporated place or census designated place with a Census 2000 population of at least 10,000, but less than 50,000, and one-third the population size of the largest place, and in which the number of jobs meets or exceeds the number of employed residents. ==Principal Cities==I deleted Carrollton, Richardson, Denton, and McKinney from the principal cities section because they are not principal cities as defined by the U.S. Census Bureau. These are important towns in the Metroplex, but many people would argue that Mesquite and Garland (more than 2 times the population of Richardson) are as important or more important. Luckily, we have a definition for "principal city". We should use it. Thanks. Ufwuct 17:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC) My mistake. Ufwuct 18:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Grayson County
I added Grayson county to the list of counties a few days ago (and cited appropriate references), but did not update the image. If someone could do that (and then reply to this, noting the change), that would be great because I will not have access to the proper tools to change the image for a while. Thanks! -- RedPoptarts 05:34, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You might be confusing the CSA with the MSA. The CSA has 18 counties of which Grayson is a part. The MSA, which is what this article is about, has only 12 counties. I'll let others be the judge. --Polaron | Talk 13:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears that you are correct. Thank you for pointing that out.  I was unaware of the difference between the two terms.  I will take care of the changes.  Perhaps someone can mention the DFW Combined statistical area

in the article? ...or maybe it belongs in its own article... or maybe it's not important enough. -- RedPoptarts 04:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

removed recently-added Youth Activities in Dallas / Ft. Worth
If we have this section at all, it should only mention particularly notable or unique activities, such as the Texas Girls Choir. Ideally such organizations would be notable enough to have their own Wikipedia entry. Youth organizations like the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts that are national or regional do not belong on this page. Neither do their local chapters. I went ahead and deleted the section and its only entry, a local Boy Scout troop and Cub Scout pack. LoneStarDavid 02:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed Gamma World Cities reference
Dallas already talks about it. Removed text: '' Dallas is also one of 11 U.S. global cities, being ranked a "Gamma World City" by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group & Network. ''
 * Actually, this was something I'd been wanting to change, but there have been objections. You may want to wait for consensus before keeping that edit.--Loodog 17:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I missed this discussion, can you point me to it? Thanks.  LoneStarDavid 21:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My fault, it wasn't actually a formal discussion, I made the change citing a discussion we had on Houston, and Postoak reverted it, saying that the discussion on Houston had no relevance here.  Since I've been accused of trolling the last time I tried to do something like this to the Houston page, I didn't press the issue.  I learned don't mess with Texas's pages.--Loodog 22:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Transportation in Dallas external links
I'm removing the links to taxi and limousine services, as there are many such companies operating in the Metroplex, not just these two. There isn't anything especially noteworthy about them to warrant inclusion, and Wikipedia is not meant to be an advertizing portal. I added links to other regional transit sites (Fort Worth, TRE, Denton County) to the list. Chfowler 02:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Richardson is a principal city?
Garland isn't a principal city, but Richardson is? What gives Richardson or Arlington this kind of designation?

They are big.

kthxbai 71.252.251.40 (talk) 22:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Fastest growing metro area in US
According to the US Census, Atlanta is the fastest growing. . Postoak (talk) 05:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

By percent, maybe? Because I know the Metroplex gained ~1 million people in a 7 year span, which is like OMG a lot lol.

Btw you wrote on 4/20 :D 71.252.251.40 (talk) 22:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Suburban Sprawl
How come there is absolutely no reference to suburban sprawl or any of its effects on the Metroplex. This concerns me a WHOLE lot since you know... they are heading towards disaster. The US has some sort of illusion that it has all this money when in the reality couldn't be any more different. Right now it is as if we are in flying but it is just an illusion, we are actually in free fall.ThisguyYEAH (talk) 00:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Help with column format?
I tried to reset the columns at Places_with_10.2C000_to_99.2C999_inhabitants  to clear the nightime astronaut photo, but don't know how to do this. Help? TIA, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

– Sources consistantly capitalize the word " Metroplex". No reason was cited in support of the move when this was moved in March 2010. Relisted. BDD (talk) 17:19, 2 August 2013 (UTC) Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 08:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex → Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex
 * List of companies in the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex → List of companies in the Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex
 * List of colleges and universities in the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex → List of colleges and universities in the Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex


 * Oppose – it is about equally frequently lowercase in books, and many of the capitalized versions are in titles and headings; we use sentence case (like here) for titles, and avoid unnecessary caps per MOS:CAPS. Dicklyon (talk) 04:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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Images
Please update the Areial Image of DFW Airport. The image showing is years old, it doesnt even show International Terminal D or the new Skylink Train System. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.215.129 (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll get right on that. While I prep my plane, could you give TSA the heads-up? Tell them it's for Wikipedia. --BDD (talk) 21:51, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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All US Government designated counties of the DFW Metroplex, including North Central Texas Council of Governments, now have Infoboxes. I'm working on getting Infoboxes for all cities in this article listing. -therearenospoons 06:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

The elevation conversion from meters to feet are incorrect. example, the 417 M figure stated approx 3268 ft, when the calculation works to 1368 ft. I am new to this, and could not find a way to correct it on the main page.

Speaking of elevations, the minimum elevation of 606 feet is incorrect. Coincidentally, my house in Denton is at 606 feet, and being 'upstream' of Dallas and Fort Worth is higher in elevation. Using the list of counties in OMB Bulletin No. 13-01, then the lowest point in the Metroplex is ~285 feet/87 meters (taken from USGS topo maps), where the Trinity River exits Ellis County. Peakbagger.com lists the highest point as the Parker County high point, at 1,368 feet/417 meters. Also, is OMB Bulletin No. 13-01 the most recent definition of the MSA? I notice it no longer includes Delta County; it lists 13 counties. [Michael Wilson, M.S. Applied Geography, University of North Texas ..... and I've misplaced my log-in information, so I apologize for otherwise posting anonymously.] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.9.23 (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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 * The second link I listed now redirects here and the specific page for bulletins is here. At this time I don't see any bulletins newer than the 2015 one we've been using previously. Markzero (talk) 03:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Notable universities
Not sure why UT Southwestern was deleted out of the list of 'notable universities' section. It is by far the most prestigious university in the metroplex by almost any measure (ranking, nobel laureates, research, etc). This university is literally and academically the most notable Dallas has to offer.Nightryder84 (talk) 03:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 19 December 2020

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █  09:20, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex → Dallas–Fort Worth Metroplex – "Metroplex" is often capitalized. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous RM comment by . Often lowercased in sources (and the nominator doesn't even appear to dispute that). —&hairsp;BarrelProof (talk) 17:30, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose as before. Reserve caps for proper names. Dicklyon (talk) 03:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose on established information from prior opposition. - TheLionHasSeen (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

city status questions and term "metroplex"
would denton be included? it's a county seat in 940.

seems to me ( i read it somewhere at some point though my memory may be failing me) that the term "metroplex" was suggested by an ad agency? and the cities of dallas and ft. worth adopted the moniker in a certain year (i can't recall) to describe d/fw and it's surrounding municipalities. i thought the term was chosen (or invented?) because it would be a singular identifier for d/fw instead of the term "metropolitan area" that every other city uses. if anyone has access to that info please post it here.

I thought that metroplex alone was only used by d/fw in the u.s. -- but if you look at the wiki metroplex page there some very broad ideas (see distance in miles and proximity) of what a metroplex is. Chicago to Pittsburg? Philly to Boston? That can't be right. here is a listed definition of metroplex from wordiq http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Metroplex

[No ID(s) or date(s) provided for previous remark(s) - B L Zebubba]

This article should be re-named to "Dallas-Fort-Worth Area". The second commenter herein is correct in that the word "Metroplex" was a contractual invention by a PR/ad agency in the late sixties or early seventies to promote the new Dallas/Forth Worth Regional Airport (now known as "... International ..." or, commonly, "DFW") specifically built to serve the entire area; otherwise the phrase has never come into general usage. Instead its use is found exclusively by the commercial news media and in advertising by private businesses, for it allows such commercial enterprises and their advertisers to claim their products and services are presented to or are available to a wider area - the entire media market - than would be conveyed by using the name of only one or several area cities (just as with another local media-invented phrase, "North Texas" (there's no such place)).

Having lived in the Dallas-Fort-Worth area on and off for more than thirty years, I can can unequivocally state that the opening paragraph to the article at hand is grossly incorrect in its statement "Residents of the area informally refer to it as the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex, DFW, or The Metroplex"; "Metroplex" is simply not used by anyone but PR or media geeks working in their professional capacities. If you use the phrase in casual conversation at, say, a party, you're highly likely to be made fun of as if you've been brainwashed and watch too much commercial television.

Except for the common broadcast media market, people in this area tend to speak of either "Dallas" or "Forth Worth" in relation to both the cities proper as well as their surrounding suburbs, depending on where the listener is and how familiar he or she is with the area, since the two cities tend to exist as separate worlds; one may also hear the phrase "mid-cites" when referring to the numerous suburbs in between the two larger cities. When an ordinary local person makes reference to the entire area including the two larger cities, they'll speak virtually without exception of "the Dallas-Fort-Worth area"; no ordinary common person - NONE - uses the phrase "Metroplex" in casual non-commercial speech, for using "Metroplex" is a dead-giveaway as to one's being an outsider or a commercial media professional.

The disingenuous effort to present the word "Metroplex" as being in common usage is little more than attempt by commercial interests to pass off to the general public the language that most readily suits their aims; such attempts are to be rejected. BLZebubba (talk) 07:05, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. "Metroplex" means 1 thing & 1 thing only. People making shit up is not very encyclopedic. (I also object to the use of em-dashes in general, & in URLs specifically.) Sadsaque (talk) 01:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Principal Cities ??
sorry, i know i am not registered, but having had been a DFW resident for 14 years I can say that the list should be either combined or seprated along different lines. There is no compelling reason that Mesquite, Garland, and Grand Prairie should be any less important than Richardson and McKinney, etc... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.111.147.195 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes; and Denton is definitely Not part of the Meyroplex. Sadsaque (talk) 03:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible inaccuracy in politics tab
Just noticed in the "Presidential Election Results" table found in the Politics subheading it says in 2020 1,504,789 voted Republican and 1,504,789 voted Democrat. While it is certainly possible it was the exact same, it seems way more plausible that someone accidentally entered the same number twice. Anyone know where the data for that table is sourced from? Sulfurboy (talk) 20:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I have checked results for every county in the Metroplex and arrived at different data entirely. Rather confusingly, neither Trump nor Biden results I got are equal to the number in the table. I got 1,495,550 votes for Trump/Pence and 1,535,525 for Biden/Harris. The doc is here:, but I don't know if the rules allow this sort of thing (WP:OR?) Mazuretsky (talk) 22:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's better to delete this line (entire table?) in the meantime, as it is unsourced, 2020 data are almost certainly incorrect and this casts some doubts on the correctness of other results Mazuretsky (talk) 22:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Changed all the numbers in the table using the Secretary of State website's data, decided that adding 11 numbers together is hardly a 'research', nevermind the 'original' part. Also referenced Dave Leip's Atlas, it seems to have the same numbers. The computation is here: Mazuretsky (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

list of employers is 10 years old
some of the companies on the list are not even in business anymore. surely there is a more up-to-date list that can be used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.95.216.202 (talk) 17:02, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Dallas Fort Worth (DFW) the Economy section: Citi Bank has about 8000 jobs in Las Colinas and has been there for years. Their office is oversubscribed by 2:1, the balance WFH. Why are they not listed? Is AT&T actually the largest telecom company in the world? If so what is NTT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2200:2840:2096:BAC9:22AC:4059 (talk) 16:27, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

History
Should a History subsection be added here? I feel it would contribute greatly here. 2600:100C:A206:278D:5D08:883F:B80F:187D (talk) 18:09, 21 November 2022 (UTC)