Talk:Dally Messenger

Online resources search links

 * bio here
 * search at NLA Newspapers online
 * Google Search
 * Google Timeline search on the years player was alive
 * Career Summary at Scrum.com
 * Match list at scrum.com

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Is it just me or has there been a conscious effort to mention afl as much as possible. Regular contribtors may have to pay attention. 144.132.216.253 15:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That may be due to the fact that he did play Australian rules football in his youth and if not for his switch to league, the popularity of the football codes here would likely look much different now. And his brother did continue to play Australian rules football in Sydney for Balmain.  I have reinstated the link to at least give those unfamiliar with Australian rules football some more context.  --Spewmaster 02:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You are the same person that came up with the nonsense pages and remarks aimed at football. Stick to afl and leave footy to the footy contributors. --144.132.216.253 19:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please explain to me how else are people who don't know what Australian rules football is are going to know based on the context of the paragraph ? --Spewmaster 02:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Rugby football
I think we need to be careful about our use of the words "rugby league" and "rugby union" when talking about Dally Messenger's early history. The sport was the same until the Rugby Football Leagues started to change the rules of their game. Before the schism it wasn't called rugby union, it was just rugby football. It was run by organisations known as Rugby Football Unions. Before the organisations known as Rugby Football Leagues were created, there was nothing to differentiate between. I can't say exactly when the names 'rugby union' and 'rugby league' began to be applied to the sports themselves in Australia. I think it would have been after the Rugby Football Leagues changed some rules and became more established. The New South Wales Rugby Football League only changed it's name to the New South Wales Rugby League in 1984. In the rugby league heartlands of England, they still refer to league as just 'rugby' even today. I don't think it's correct to say Dally Messenger played 'rugby union' initially. He played Rugby football (under an organising body that happened to be known as a Rugby Football Union). Just something to bear in mind.--Jeff79 19:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Precisely, he played football intially. --144.132.216.253 19:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Start class
I have classified the article as a start according to the WP Bio and WP Australia consistent with the rugby league classification. Capitalistroadster 05:42, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Transfer to football?
Can anyone provide any evidence that Messenger was approached by Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur? I've found mentions of such approaches on web forums, but I'm certain that was based on information read here, while any sources that seem reputable only make mention of interest from Spurs, but no mention of Man Utd or the value of the contract offer. – PeeJay 18:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyone? – PeeJay 08:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * My husband has just finished reading The Master and according to the book there was interest from some soccer clubs but he doesn't recall which ones. I'll have a quick browse and see if i can find the reference. &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 11:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's on page 251-252. I won't try to quote the whole thing, but here's a fair bit of it, quoting Dally Messenger,


 * '"The Geordies" [Newcastle] saw me in one of the Tests and went mad about me. Manchester United saw me against Salford,' recalled Dally. [...] Though he had never played competitive soccer, during the Kangaroos tour professional contracts offering staggering amounts of money for a young Australian were put before Dally from at least three English First Division clubs. 'I had offers of &#163;1500 from several soccer clubs which reckoned I had a good pair of feet and would make an outside right,' recalled Dally. 'Included were Newcastle, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspurs. I might say these &#163;1500 offers were for one season's contract!' He was also rumoured to have been offered a &#163;1000 signing-on fee by Aston Villa and Glasgow Rangers.


 * Source: &bull; Florrie &bull; leave a note &bull; 11:53, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, friend. The reason I asked is that Man Utd's interest is mentioned in the History of Manchester United F.C. (1878–1945) article, and I wasn't sure how to reference it, or even whether the statement was needed in the article. Cheers again. – PeeJay 19:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Queensland Club
There should be a Quensland Club to correspond with his time with the Queensland rep team in 1911 shouldn't there? The infobox gives the impression that he only ever played for one club. Also wondering about the pre-schism Eastern Suburbs RU team. Is there such a team? Perhaps it should be in the infobox too to correspond with the RU tests which are also absent and should be listed.--Jeff79 (talk) 14:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

File:Herbert Henry Messenger.jpg
This image is currently marked as non-free. Given that your man here died in 1959 aged 76, this seems most unlikely as he'd have to have been in his 70s when the picture was taken for the image not to be PD in Australia. Can someone knowledgeable check and update the license tag if appropriate? Maybe the kit he's wearing gives a clue as to the date? Many thanks, Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears to have been taken during his playing days which ended before the 1920s.--Jeff79 (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's the same image as on the front cover of 'The Master' by Dally R Messenger (ISBN: 0 207 14731 0); the badge on his chest reads 'Australia 1908-9'.  LunarLander  //  talk  // 17:37, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

granddaughter singing?
"Granddaughter singing national... " come on really? I am taking this out...SauliH (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

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