Talk:Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Award

Disambiguation
This page is redirected from "Grand Master Award", but that's misleading. The Mystery Writers of America gives an annual award called the "Grand Master Award." Someone looking for MWA Grand Masters would mistakenly be directed here. How is this fixed? JerseyKen 18:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The usual solution is to locate all "Grand Master Award" articles and turn Grand Master Award into a Disambiguation Page to offer people the full list of possibilities. Fan-1967 18:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Is that something a mere mortal like myself can (should) do?  If so, how? JerseyKen 19:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've updated it. You can see it now: Grand Master Award -- Fan-1967 20:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

For some time the WP:DISAMBiguation function has been consolidated further at Grandmaster. --P64 (talk) 23:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Alfred Bester
Alfred Bester is listed as having won the award in 1988. Since the award is only given to living writers and he died in 1987, this doesn't seem possible. His wiki page lists 1987 as the year he won the award, but so does Isaac Asimov's, so I don't know which is right. Mrdarklight (talk) 04:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the article Joe Haldeman named Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master it seems, all dates are a year out! Bester received the award in 1986. Calistemon (talk) 07:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Timing. Bester was named in 1987 before his September 30 death and the award was presented in 1988 (to whom?). The award to Haldeman was announced in December 2009 (linked just above) and presented in 2010. According to The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, the lifetime author awards are announced "well in advance" such as "Summer 2008" for the 2009 Awards.
 * This fortnight I have clarified the point for a few recipients where I have noticed confusion either in our biography or elsewhere. For example: A. E. van Vogt: "The Science Fiction Writers of America named him its 14th Grand Master in 1995 (presented 1996).[21]"; see also note [b] and the text at that point.
 * --P64 (talk) 23:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Award year
The sponsor SFWA now dates this award inconsistently:
 * [1] Connie Willis listed for 2012, "Grand Master"
 * [2] Gene Wolfe announced for 2012, "2012 Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Awarded to Gene Wolfe"]

Its list of Grand Masters [1] now begins thus: --see Archive copy if necessary-- But its December 2012 press release [2] says that Gene Wolfe has been named 2012 Grand Master —to be presented next month, May 2013.
 * 2012 Connie Willis
 * 2011 n.a. [= "not applicable" because of change in dating convention?]
 * 2010 Joe Haldeman
 * Yet another page at SFWA, [3] "Nebula Award Winners" (2011 to 2000) shows Grand Masters Willis and Haldeman-to-Le Guin, whom we list for 2011–2003 without break, identified as 2011 and 2009-to-2002 Grand Masters; presented 2012 and 2010-to-2003. For 2001 and 2000 no Grand Masters are listed among the so-called Nebula Award Winners, presumably because 2001/2002 by this dating convention marks inclusion in Nebula Award weekend as well as renaming for Damon Knight.
 * --P64 (talk) 00:27, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

In several biographies this week, I have been careful and explicit for the reader: In a few others I have put the parenthetical point in a hidden comment, as at Arthur C. Clarke.
 * "named [him?] its 8th Grand Master in 1986 (presented 1987)" — Isaac Asimov
 * "made [him?] its 9th Grand Master in 1988 (announced before his 1987 death)" — Alfred Bester

--P64 (talk) 20:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Here are some more data regarding official Grand Master dating. Recall that SFWA maintains a compilation by year of presentation.


 * Samuel R. Delany named 2013 Grand Master (Dec 04, 2013) full
 * Gene Wolfe named 2012 Grand Master (Dec 13, 2012) full ; received May 18, 2013 first of three Tweets
 * Connie Willis named 2011 Grand Master (Jan 16, 2012) full ; interviewed Mar 12, 2012
 * Joe Haldeman named undated Grand Master (Dec 15, 2009) full ; presented to him and he remarks on it (May 15, 2010) – Twitter
 * Perhaps lacking a website compilation, SFWA listed all Grand Masters with dates at the foot of the Haldeman article.full Those dates match our "Year of presentation" (which matches SFWA's compiled "year that the honor was presented") for 1981 and 2003 to 2010; otherwise it gives dates one year earlier. I wonder whether the official convention for dating the Grand Masters has been consistent thruout the history, or the convention has officially changed. Most Nebula Awards recognize publications so the publication year is attractive if not compelling. That is not true of the Grand Master and a consistent official convention to match the Nebula dating might perhaps be confusing to follow.
 * --P64 (talk) 20:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Almost 14 months later, on the verge of February 2015, the webpage is silent about developments since the 2013/2014 cycle . --P64 (talk) 20:47, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Category
is now complete in the following respects: The severity of confusion or inconsistency about the was not clear to me until I worked on Willis and Wolfe today, so my careful attention to that point (see above) is incomplete. --P64 (talk) 22:02, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * we have biographies of all 29 grand masters to Gene Wolfe 2012/2013 [no change]
 * this main article and all 29 biogs are in the category ✅
 * all 29 cover the award/honor with an official reference [doublecheck/secondpass in progress]
 * doublecheck done. All but two now include the official reference,
 * [ref name=SFWA] "Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master". Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA). Retrieved 2013-03-24.
 * --as well as the The Locus Index to SF Awards: Index to Literary Nominees, a general reference for speculative fiction awards.
 * LeGuin and McCaffrey are in progress in my user space. I'll report at Category talk: SFWA Grand Masters, probably not again here.
 * --P64 (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


 * That official reference, which I provided last month for each Grand Master biography, is no longer available from SFWA. Here it is via Internet Archive.
 * "Grand Master". Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America (SFWA). Archived 2013-01-23. Retrieved 2013-04-27.
 * --P64 (talk) 22:00, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

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Awkward wording.
Instead of "Also from 1995, SFWA has annually named as many as one Author Emeritus, ...  ", how about "Also from 1995, SFWA has annually named only one Author Emeritus, ... ". Unless I'm completely missing something, of course, as this article bears a degree of confusion. Are the Grand Master and Damon Knight Memorial Grand Master Awards the same or separate? Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 18:36, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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Sourcing question
At the end of the list of recipients is this hidden text: When adding new winners, please include a reliable secondary source (not the sfwa website, use Google to find a newspaper story). Please maintain this notice at the bottom of the list. Some of the recipients in the list are sourced to SFWA, others to Locus or other sources. Why the prohibition now on sourcing to SFWA? Schazjmd  (talk)  20:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)