Talk:Damper (food)

Deletion discussion
from VfD:

It's a recipe, and an advert. The bread does exist, and appears in several dictionaries of slang, but what to write about it? Not this. A search for 'damper bread' on google returns lots of recipes, and a few pages which suggest that it might have been formulated by William Dampier, who is worthy of attention. Is this stuff culturally significant in Australia, enough to warrant a page apart from Bread?. (aha, it's been fixed - there's nothing wrong with it now. Note that the original seemed to be an advert for a television programme, copied badly from the website of that programme. I now vote Keep - Ashley Pomeroy 14:16, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)) -Ashley Pomeroy 18:33, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: The advertising, if not the entire article, looks exactly like a copy & paste, so it may well be copyvio. Aside from that, though, the entire lead paragraph is an ad.  The only way to save the article at all would be to 1) edit out the whole first paragraph 2) insert a new lead saying that it's a bread reportedly based on what drovers made in the Australian outback, and then, after all that work (plus clean up and wikifying) just so you could transwiki it to Wikibooks and then...delete. Geogre 19:49, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The article has been refactored, please reconsider your vote. Thank you.  &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 00:39, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep: Excellent rescue. Not a recipe, so no transwiki, either. Geogre 05:03, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I wish we could get a legit article about Damper, but this isn't it. We've got other articles on Australian foods, but they're actually nicely-written encyclopedia articles. All this ultimately is is an ad for someone's purported reproduction of Damper, which doesn't belong here. Delete. Inky 20:32, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Ah, much better. This is more like it. Thank you, RaD Man, and change my vote to keep. Inky 21:38, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see an article about damper, too, but this isn't it. Transwiki if not a copyvio, otherwise delete and wait for an article. Wile E. Heresiarch 20:38, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's now a completely different, and very nice, article. My thanks to the authors. Wile E. Heresiarch 02:54, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Stubified, and I'll expand it if nobody else does. We seem to have no article on billy can either. Andrewa 20:48, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * ...It's a kind of bread. Of course keep it. Everyking 23:09, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have expanded the article from Andrewa's stub. Damper is an iconic Australian dish. Capitalistroadster 23:57, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep. Very interesting.  Excellent save.  &mdash;[[en:RaD Man|RaD Man (talk)]] 00:39, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Extreme keep. Now a good article! -- Chuq 05:40, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep: DCEdwards1966 06:22, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is the most ridiculous VFD that I've ever seen. Next thing we'll be deleting pizza. Ambi 06:52, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Umm. Check the page history. Thanks. Wile E. Heresiarch 07:31, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, Keep, KEEP Part of Australian culture, and a good article now. T.PK 07:30, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep, just for good measure. Lacrimosus 09:04, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP. goodness, damper is to Australia, as ice is to antartica The bellman 09:22, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)
 * KEEP - this is a very deep tradition in Australia. Like hotdogs is to US, but less dead rats are involved.--ZayZayEM 08:07, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The keeps have it. [[User:GRider|GRider\talk]] 18:32, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Then I hope you all won't mind one more. Keep.  Fascinating stuff to we who are subjected to that little-known meat by-product, particulate of deceased vermin.  :^P - Lucky 6.9 22:35, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Rum
Whilst I've no doubt stockmen did enjoy Rum, what is the basis for specifying Bundaberg Rum, which is (now) a corporate brand. If no citation can be found, I'd suggest removing the term "Bundaberg" and leave it as just rum. 14:18, 29 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.127.160 (talk)

Etymology?
I don't want to urinate on anybody's national pride, but there's nothing uniquely Australian about baked flour paste. 'Damper' just seems to be Aussie vernacular for a form of bread that's been produced all over the world for thousands of years.SpaceyHopper (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Where does the name come from?--Cancun771 10:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Additional Citations for Verification
I have added various citations. Is it okay to remove the Maintenance template now?Paulie highfly (talk) 15:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, done, good job. - Shiftchange (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Paulie highfly (talk) 01:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Wheat flour ?
In the book Bush food: Aboriginal food & herbal medicine, there is talk that some dampers were made with portulaca seed (wakati), or panicum seed. Not sure whether the term damper used in the book is correct or whether perhaps it were dampers but the flour was mixed of wheat & wakati/panicum. The recipes were from Winifred Hilliard & Molly Nungarai. Look into it
 * ?Maybe 180.216.180.68 (talk) 01:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Also notable is the Stockman's damper —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.81.115 (talk) 12:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Note: I also found a mentioning of Eragrostris dielsii, Eragrostris leptocarpa, Chenopodium rhadinostachyum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.94.247 (talk) 06:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

wheres the salt?
just wondering why salt has not been included as a key ingredient? i have adjusted the ingredients of damper in the third paragraph as that para discusses the history of it, removing milk (the reference near the ingredients did not mention milk, although it did mention using a milk dish when making it), and adding salt, so the only ingredients are flour, salt, and water as shown in The Colonial Magazine and Commercial Maritime Journal of 1840, referenced in the article. Coolabahapple (talk) 13:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Soda bread
Given bicarb soda isn't listed as an ingredient I don't think this can be characterised as 'soda bread'. In reality, it's an unleavened bread made usually from nothing more than flour and water. 2001:8004:5180:3147:7135:23AC:39AA:5F78 (talk) 06:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)