Talk:Dan Bilzerian/Archive 1

Instagrams Biggest Playboy
Dan has been in the news a lot this week and he is being referred to as Instagrams Biggest Playboy. Should there be a reference to this, as this is how he is gaining the interest of the general public? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2613072/Video-shows-Instagrams-biggest-playboy-throwing-porn-star-roof-breaking-foot.html 31jetjet (talk) 00:29, 28 April 2014 (UTC)  31jetjet
 * I'm not sure this kind of negatively slanted information is appropriate for a BLP. I'd be open to changing my mind depending on the language you'd like to add though. Jeremy112233 02:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure why somebody who seems to be nothing more than a former soldier without success, a gambler and investor in whatever without visible contribution to human society should be in a wiki at all. Oh, I forgot: He's an American. O.k., that's something else. 84.151.153.230 (talk) 19:19, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has quite a few documents that describe how an individual is determined as notable. They should explain any misgivings you may have. One can always challenge a page based on those policies as well if you feel the page is undeserved. Jeremy112233 16:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2014
He states that he was kicked-out

Kicked out does not require a hyphen.

Stevemiller57 (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
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Heart attack quantity
The cited source makes it pretty clear that he suffered three heart attacks. Is there any constructive reason to change that to two, or are the IP editors just disrupting the article with the repeated change? —C.Fred (talk) 18:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Looked like IP vandalism or hi jinks to me. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 19:50, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Misleading description?
Isn't the description as actor a little misleading? He appeared as a stunt actor in one movie and he paid to be in Lone Survivor. Also, he sued Peter Berg's production company as the contract was $1 million for approximately 80 lines in the movie which was reduced to a mere 5 words or so. I am no hater trying to minimize it but the description would suggest he has an actor career while he clearly has not. He is not even mentioned in the cast of both other mentioned movies. 82.181.94.197 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 10:41, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

'Venture Capitalist' needs to be removed
There are no sources to back up the venture capitalist claims, so according to Wikipedia policy they should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.55.242 (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'm removing it. It has no readily identifiable basis in fact, however its not very hard to estimate his motivations for claiming that. Removed. LoverOfArt (talk) 07:53, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Who he is and what he is known for
Dan Bilzerian deserves a Wikipedia page due to several things: - his large internet / social media following, specifically on instragram / facebook / twitter - where he is one of the most followed celebrities in America - perhaps, his success in a few poker tournaments

The majority of his wealth is from his father. He has made some money playing poker, but the most of it is from his father.

So there should be more focus on his internet following and what causes that. He lives a lavish lifestyle, posing pictures of near naked women, guns, boats, private jets, and partying constantly.

He has not invested in a significant number of companies - or raised money from other to invest in companies. Furthermore, he has not invested in any notably successful companies. As a result, the "venture capitalist" tag is inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.82.81.252 (talk) 17:23, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

When you look up his poker winnings it is obvious that over 90 percent of his fortune comes from his father. There is no mention of this in the article. He might like to call himself a venture capitalist but Wikipedia is supposed to be factual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.90.127.86 (talk) 07:10, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

This wiki is nothing more than a free advertisement. His "accomplishments" are nothing of note. He is nothing more than a self-deluded trust fund brat who claims to have almost been a Navy SEAL, claims to be an actor but only by buying his way into movie roles (and then getting edited out) and claims to be a professional poker, though his earnings are less than he what he spends daily on paid bikini models to hang on him during publicity photo shoots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.253.179.22 (talk) 02:02, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Notability
I am not on "Dan-O's social media team", but the subject is clearly not notable for how he has obtained his wealth, but far more for what he has done with it. The sources cited back this up as they mention the subject having a trust fund, but little more beyond that. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Edits immediately reverted
Would other followers of this page please take a look at the edits I uploaded, which were instantly reverted by Scalhotrod? I feel my edits were in NPOV and helped added a little more specifics to the article, and certainly to the description of the subject in the intro. Would appreciate help and feedback on this. JNorman704 (talk) 20:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, I just replied to your note on my Talk page, but in short your edit amounted to re-adding fairly promotional or "pro-Bilzerian" content that has been in the article previously and reverted by several people plus I assume his various detractors. Personally, I have nothing against (or in favor of) Bilzerian, I'm just trying to apply BLP in light of the various factions that seem to be editing this article. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:51, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your replies Scalhotrod, I really appreciate it. I was definitely not trying to be pro or con, just flesh out a few details. Would you mind if I pass a few revised edits by you? For instance, I feel that his acting section should be updated with the Bruce Willis movie, as he is listed fairly prominently in the credits on IMdb.JNorman704 (talk) 21:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that I should be the judge of what goes in or not, but I think the Talk page is the perfect place to discuss it. And yes, I personally agree, he has enough acting roles that is worthy of mention. But that's coming from an Inclusionist that used to work in the Entertainment industry... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:32, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Scalhotrod. I really appreciate it. JNorman704 (talk) 19:44, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

99 % completion of navy seals training
I have made this edit 3 times now and had it instantly removed by the admins. Please explain why you keep removing it. He went through 238 days out of 240 of the navy seal training that is exactly 99% that is verified and cited by the interviewer in the article referenced. Are the admins biased against this information or is there a reason they do not want it showing that he completed 99% of the training? Here is the exact quote referenced in the article : " Dan, as a former instructor myselfItalic text, I know that your instructors did have a good reason. Reflect on the reason and become a better man for it. After all, you did complete 99% of one of the hardest military selection courses in the worldItalic text." furthermore there have been numerous edits I have put on the page to correct typos and misinformation that has been removed by the same admins  I will discuss each one on a separate subject but would like input as to why they keep getting reverted. I am not trying to be combative sincerely asking why a obvious factual matter and quoted and cited reference is getting taken down every time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthanonymous (talk • contribs) 04:32, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

on a side note I am trying to learn how to link admins names on discussion section but do not see how to do so, if someone could point me in the right direction Truthanonymous (talk) 04:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not expert on Seal training (nor is the average Reader either), but my understanding is that Bilzerian's situation is not unique. Whether he completed 51% or 99% is insignificant in the context of his article. The fact that he was in the program is the key element. The "99% completion" in my opinion adds an element of controversy that is unnecessary and unwanted in any article. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 05:46, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

While I can see that issue, why then do you allow controversial content on his page such as nik richie and the dirty then? " Although as early as 2012, website TheDirty.com founder Nik Richie began to document Bilzerian's lifestyle via his website." the reference in that article is for 2014 not 2012 and the first known mention of Dan on thedirty.com is in the last month of 2013 well beyond dans following and fame. I have also made that edit 3 times and had it reversed. It seems to me there is an unfair bias on the page and while I am not pro or con on the subject, I do not understand why negative content is allowed but positive is removed. another example is the removal of him being a navy veteran, that was taken down, which by the way is why I started paying attention in the first place because he did serve and is a veteran.

The section leaves too many questions unanswered. Isn't the Seals an elite unit, whereby you transfer in from the regular Navy? There's no mention of him joining the Navy, nor indeed any mention of his schooling or Naval officer(?) training - why? It seems most odd that the 'nearly made it as a Seal' bit has no lead-up whatsoever... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.70.204 (talk) 16:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * We're limited by available sources and WP:SYNTH prevents us from making and stating conclusions based on multiple sources. Furthermore, the article isn't about the Seals. If someone wants to know more about them, they can click the Wikilink. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:56, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Social Media "Subject"?
Is that a new "title" for a person now? Is that the reason to make a wikipedia page...when wikipedia is already getting crapped on for too much focus on celebrities? Why is "social media subject" a description for ANYTHING AT ALL??? All news in EVERY FORM is a social media subject. The weather is a social media subject. Pull your heads out of your butts and fix this worthless wiki article or delete it. Dan Bilzerian isn't someone worthy of being on this site and I'm sure some dumb fanboy will insist he does. Cram your fanboy idiocy up your dumper and get real. Dan Bilzerian is a poker player and little else. What's next? You gonna describe him as a "beard grower" or a "person who poses with mostly-naked women"? Gimme a damned break.

lol I just noticed someone "fixed" my change to include "actor" and "social media subject". Is there some way we can stop (Personal attack removed) from forcing their myopic opinions of this man on the rest of us? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.24.57 (talk) 20:52, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

photo
Should we add a picture in the infobox?83.80.208.22 (talk) 17:47, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2016
Add line to end of Personal Life section

In February 2016 Blizerian announced that he would attempt to bicycle from his home in Los Angeles to Las Vegas, a distance of over 300 miles, in 48 hours, as the result of a wager from fellow professional poker player Bill Perkins for the amount of $600,000. Bilzerian, a non cyclist, has 30 days to prepare for the challenge. Disgraced former professional cyclist Lance Armstrong has offered to help Bilzerian train for the challenge.

Tj7878 (talk) 03:58, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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University of Florida
He never graduated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.173.253.83 (talk) 22:23, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * that's safe to assume, but you should provide a source. --Enyavar (talk) 11:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Military career
He didn't have a military career. He was dropped from BUD/S and then discharged. I believe he was not in the military for more than 1 year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.173.253.83 (talk) 22:25, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * thanks for that input, though you should provide a more reliable source than "I believe". The so called sources that are currently in the article are already shi**y enough, I don't think they are better than "the reporter asked him personally and he told it that way". But that is also "I believe". --Enyavar (talk) 11:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Presidency campaign
The following should be added to the section regarding his run for presidency.

"In December 2015, Bilzerian indicated through social media that he endorsed GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump, citing his respect for Trump's ability to remain unfiltered in the age of political correctness."

references:

http://www.gq.com/story/dan-bilzerian-and-donald-trump-hang-out

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/reliable-source/wp/2015/12/17/celebrity-endorsement-of-the-week-king-of-instagram-dan-bilzerian-for-donald-trump/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:84:4601:84D1:18AB:652B:3E4E:A28E (talk) 18:54, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2021
Bilzerian entered the Navy SEAL training program in 2000; however, after several attempts, he did not graduate. He was reportedly dropped from the program for a "safety violation on the shooting range".[20] Noah100th (talk) 15:54, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2021
Dans girlfriend is he’s little sugar baby Marina Gomez from Berlin New Jersey. She’s 26 and a college student and artist. 2601:83:8101:1A60:BD53:2D90:E58C:2746 (talk) 09:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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Dan Bilzerian has a son
Dan Bilzerian has a son named Pat Bilzerian who has been kept out of social media but now at 19 years old he is coming out and does the same as his dad. AnonymousTV (talk) 04:05, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2022
95%of this is made up bullshit and the whole world knows it so why should his lies be up for the world to see. 24.156.38.134 (talk) 18:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please provide specific instances and the reliable sources that counter the information on the page. —C.Fred (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2022
Change this statement "Bilzerian claims to have studied for four years at the University of Florida, majoring in Business and Criminology, though it is unclear if he ever graduated.[13 13^ "Dan Bilzeran poker playboy crowned Instagram King reveals lunatic lifestyle". joesdaily. December 11, 2013. Retrieved April 3, 2014."

to this statement Bilzerian claims to have studied for four years at the University of Florida, majoring in Business and Criminology. In an interview on the Doug Polk Podcast, Bilzerian stated that he did drop out of college to pursue a professional poker career. [13] 13^ "Dan Bilzerian FIRES BACK At Fraud Accusations" Dec 29, 2021. FrankC94 (talk) 21:25, 23 July 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ Aaron Liu (talk) 03:03, 9 August 2022 (UTC)