Talk:Dan Savage bibliography/Archive 1

Note
Structural modeling and the idea for how to utilize the neat template, Infobox bibliography, was used from the WP:FL quality page, George Orwell bibliography. -- Cirt (talk) 06:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Notices posted to WikiProject talkpages
Notices posted to WikiProject talkpages, about the creation of this new article related to those projects: Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 06:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books
 * 2) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Literature
 * 3) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies
 * 4) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality
 * 5) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Barack Obama
 * 6) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Journalism
 * 7) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists
 * 8) Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Media

additional problems
Just noticed this. Absurd over-emphasis of a relatively minor but notable author. The section on his biography is duplicative both of the main article and the introduction and should be eliminated. The listing of minor works like book reviews is inappropriate except for the most important of authors.. The photograph adds nothing of value--it belongs in the article about him, but not here. There is no justification for the article in the first place, and it should be merged back. At a possible alternative, it should just contain his bibliography, plain and simple,

I shall boldly make the changes I suggested, and depending on whether they stick, I shall then consider listing it at Requested merges, and, if necessary, continue to an RfC.  DGG ( talk ) 14:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nearly a year since you said this, DGG, but I have to agree with you. I have no complaint with ArbCom permitting a user to ignore a topic ban in order for this to be brought up in quality, but I simply can't understand why this is potential featured list material.  Right now there's a candidate at Featured list removal candidates — List of winners of the Mathcounts competition — that's seemingly about to be delisted because it's a list of non-notable subjects.  There's sometimes a place for nonnotables, but such a list doesn't belong at FL.  Nyttend (talk) 18:33, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, well let's see how it goes? The Mathcounts article isn't being delisted for lack of notability, it's probably going south because the main article can withstand a merge.  Whether or not such a list can withstand scrutiny at FLC, we'll see.  No reason not to give it a shout.  Surprised by your negativity!  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So the guy writes four books, edits another one, and produces a TV script and a play — there's nothing that would fit poorly in his article. Listing his individual articles is really getting into the trivial, especially since it doesn't appear that any of his writing in that field has received any awards.  Nyttend (talk) 18:47, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your interest is commendable. Let's see how it goes!  I look forward to your comments at WP:FLC.  All the best.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Lede intro text
Lede/intro text was added back by, with edit summary: "the irony that a lead section is deleted then to be immediately be replace with a "lead missing" maintenance template is quite magnificent". This is one more helpful step on the path to WP:FLC candidacy. :) Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Bolded formatting
I've gone ahead and bolded the formatting for the first line, per the model at the Featured List page George Orwell bibliography. diff. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 15:29, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Another work, "Loving & Cheating" (documentary)

 * Loving & Cheating, a 2005 TV Documentary by directed by Thom Powers.
 * Will do some further research on this to see the state of coverage from reliable secondary sources. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Loving & Cheating, a 2005 TV Documentary by directed by Thom Powers.
 * Will do some further research on this to see the state of coverage from reliable secondary sources. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:05, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

More listed at IMDB
Will do more research on these listings. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:08, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

How to Be a Person
Note: to add to list after publication. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

On Being Different
Note: to add to list post publication. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

List of Featured quality bibliography pages
List of Featured quality bibliography pages. Might have some other useful ideas for modeling, etc. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) George Orwell bibliography
 * 2) S. E. Hinton bibliography
 * 3) Edgar Allan Poe bibliography
 * 4) List of works by Joseph Priestley
 * 5) List of works of William Gibson

Received Nomination for Emmy Award
This production received a Nomination for an Emmy Award. I've added this info with the following citations to the page: Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 02:12, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Emmy Governors Award
Dan Savage received the Emmy Governors Award for the It Gets Better Project. More info:
 * NOTE: Per the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Board of Governors and Variety, the other Emmy Award is at present still a nomination, and will be announced 15 September 2012, but this one is announced as an award. So that's a potential total of two (2) Emmy Awards in 2012.
 * NOTE: Per the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Board of Governors and Variety, the other Emmy Award is at present still a nomination, and will be announced 15 September 2012, but this one is announced as an award. So that's a potential total of two (2) Emmy Awards in 2012.
 * NOTE: Per the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Board of Governors and Variety, the other Emmy Award is at present still a nomination, and will be announced 15 September 2012, but this one is announced as an award. So that's a potential total of two (2) Emmy Awards in 2012.
 * NOTE: Per the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Board of Governors and Variety, the other Emmy Award is at present still a nomination, and will be announced 15 September 2012, but this one is announced as an award. So that's a potential total of two (2) Emmy Awards in 2012.
 * NOTE: Per the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences Board of Governors and Variety, the other Emmy Award is at present still a nomination, and will be announced 15 September 2012, but this one is announced as an award. So that's a potential total of two (2) Emmy Awards in 2012.

Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:28, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:41, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Possible sources
Possible sources to research further and look into in a bit more depth. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Updated: Added these to Further reading sect as a useful resource for more info for interested readers. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Useful redirects
Useful redirects will be modeled after redirects to this page, the Featured List quality status page, George Orwell bibliography. Cheers, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 05:22, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * George Orwell bibliography (Featured List and model for this page)
 * George Orwell bibliography (redirects)
 * ✅, created redirects, modeled after Featured List quality page, George Orwell bibliography, and its associated redirect pages. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:10, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

It Gets Better Tour
Note to add info from this source to article page. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:13, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Book: American Savage (May 2013)
Upcoming book, to be published May 2013, per The New York Times. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅, added this entry to the list. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

The New York Times
Update: I've added URLs for The New York Times section. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Authority control
I've added this info to the bottom of the article's page with helpful links using the template Authority control. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

List Peer Review for Dan Savage bibliography
Please see discussion, at Peer review/Dan Savage bibliography/archive2. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Dan Savage bibliography
 * List Peer Review for Dan Savage bibliography
 * ✅, peer review was archived by a bot, notifications about the peer review had been given to numerous talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Alternate names and search terms
Just a note here of other relevant alternate names and search terms for additional research. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Keenan Hollahan
 * 2) Keenan Hallahan
 * 3) Greek Active
 * 4) Re-Bar

The Evolution of Dan Savage
Good source for further info, will research and possibly add it to the article page. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅, added to Further reading sect. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:00, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Some quick pre-FLC comments
The Rambling Man (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Check the redirects, e.g. "University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana" -> "University of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign "
 * "Dan Savage in 2005" just Savage is fine.
 * "His 2005 book" -> "Savage's 2005 book...."
 * "The book features contributors including the President of the United States Barack Obama" probably don't need "President of... " we mostly know who Barack is.
 * We need the table(s) to comply with WP:ACCESS, i.e. MOS:DTT which uses row and col scopes.
 * If you have a table column where all entries are the same, ask yourself if it's necessary.
 * Consider using the sortname template so you don't have to list authors by surname. Normal humans read names as "first name surname".
 * Avoid bold links.
 * The See also section is too general and probably has far too many entries. I'd suggest being much more selective.
 * Thanks very much, will get on addressing these soon and then update here. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 17:22, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'll be off-wiki from later on tonight until Sunday evening (in the UK).  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Update: All above are now ✅, save for "We need the table(s) to comply with WP:ACCESS, i.e. MOS:DTT which uses row and col scopes." -- as I want to research this one a bit further before making changes. Will update more back here soon, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:29, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Replies by Cirt to comments by The Rambling Man
 * 1) Done. Fixed a few redirects and used a tool to check for others.
 * 2) Done. Changed to just "Savage".
 * 3) Done. Changed to "Savage's 2005 book..."
 * 4) Done. Changed to just "Barack Obama".
 * 5) "We need the table(s) to comply with WP:ACCESS, i.e. MOS:DTT which uses row and col scopes." -- This one I'll have to update on a bit later after taking some time to research it more.
 * 6) Done. Removed entries for table columns where all entries were the same.
 * 7) Done. Used sortname for listing authors by full name.
 * 8) Done. Removed bold links.
 * 9) Done. Trimmed See also section by over fifty percent.
 * I've asked User:The Rambling Man for some help with this last one. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:38, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made an example edit here. Let me know if you need more.  The Rambling Man (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, this should now all be ✅. Thanks, looks better this way, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 18:50, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Dan Savage bibliography for FLC
I've gone ahead and nominated Dan Savage bibliography for WP:FLC consideration, the discussion page is at Featured list candidates/Dan Savage bibliography/archive1. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 12:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Dan Savage bibliography
 * 2) Featured list candidates/Dan Savage bibliography/archive1

Promoted to Featured List quality
This page has been promoted to Featured List quality.

It may take some time for a bot to come through and update the relevant pages.

Please see diff, diff, diff, and diff.

Cheers,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:50, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Confirmed at Wikipedia Signpost/2014-03-05/Featured content. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 19:15, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Authority control
Authority control template was removed from bottom of the page, adding here to the talk page for now for further analysis until later:

Cheers,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

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