Talk:Dana International/Archive 1

first Israeli artist to be interviewed on MTV?
I sure don't know who exactly was the first Israeli artist interviewed on MTV, but I remember interviews on MTV with Ofra Haza years before Miss Dana was known. If Uri Geller is considered an artist: count him in as well. (Heteren 10:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
 * Thank you. Uri Geller definitely is a performer. He is a visual artist as well. gidonb 00:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Discography
Does anyone have detailed information about specific singles... I'd love to see a Discography that lists albums, then singles, and then "remix" albums etc. Some people seem pretty knowledgeable about what singles she has released, and all we'd really need are the singles names and the release year. This would also provide a way for us to branch out by making pages dedicated to specific singles (if they are noteworthy enough). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Word to Mother (talk • contribs) 04:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Clarification needed
In the bio: "was thus legally able to change her name to Sharon Cohen"  ??? Joe407 (talk) 07:20, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm unclear what you're questioning? -- Banj e  b oi   03:26, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Male?
Haham Hanuka claims that this singer is male and reverted twice the category female singer. I ask him to supply some references that she is a male, even though she underwent surgery to change her gender from male to female. gidonb 20:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I also would like to point out that throughout the entire article Dana International is refered to as she, making his claim that she is male very inconsistent with the contents of the article. Unfortunately Haham Hanuka is known for edit wars around LGBT articles. gidonb 20:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I know a person could not change is sex, "sex-change surgeries" just make a person to look like the opposite sex, not ralley changing is sex. Am I wrong?


 * To Gidonb - I smell a personal attack. In which LGBT article I've had an edit war? --Haham hanuka 21:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I challenge you to submit proof that she is a male and if you have no such proof, please do not continue to revert the category, even if you have well-defined views in this matter. From the article it is clear that the singer Dana International is always refered to as a she. I have seen you back and forth reverting an LGBT template. gidonb 21:18, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I have asked for advice on the LGBT portal. gidonb 21:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

It's my understanding that among the transgender/transsexual community, you refer to a person as the gender her or she chooses to express, regardless of anatomy or genetics. The whole issue of what defines being male or female is beyond the scope of this article. There is no one way that people choose to define gender. Some look to genetics, others to genitalia, while others accept that the birth certificate is the final arbiter in this matter. Ultimately, I think it falls to a matter of personal respect and adhering to convention. The AP sytlebook states that writers should use male or female pronouns for transgender/transsexual based on the gender that he or she is expressing. This is regardless of the person's actual/legal gender. Hope this helps!Ronnotronald 20:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It sure does, Ronnotronald. Thank you for the feedback! Haham was in the meantime banned from using Wikipedia, but continues to dump hate speech towards LGBT while evading his ban. gidonb 01:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Guys, let's move on. Does israeli law allow sex change? Put differently, does the State of Israel legally consider this artist as a woman?Mitch1981 (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Dana is female she is a male to female transsexual... for more info on Transsexuality I have a link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transsexual She is technically speaking female.. but there is some topics of interest and self research: http://http://danizana.f-snet.com/gender/genderx.htm http://http://danizana.f-snet.com/gender/genderabout.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanainternational (talk • contribs) 19:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC) --Zanainternational (talk) 23:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I struggle to believe that there are people who think they have more authority on an individual's gender than the individual themselves. Get the hell out of other people's underwear! Dana International presents as female and is (given that changing legal gender is permitted in Israel) almost certainly legally recognised as female too. She is female. 87.113.179.86 (talk) 17:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

DOB
The article makes no statement of when this person was born. As such, where it states "Sharon discovered that she was transgender at an early age, and came out as a trans woman when she was 13. She underwent sex reassignment surgery in 1993" the reader is left guessing what kind of time gap there was between the two events.

A Google search shows her (or should I say his?) DOB as 2 February 1972, but where does Google get the information from? Can it be relied on?

However, this statement in the article contradicts this date: "She wanted to become a singer since the age of eight, when she watched legendary Israeli singer Ofra Haza perform her song 'Chai' in the 1983 Eurovision Song Contest."

Can anyone set the record straight? — Smjg (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Sort order
Is it correct that the article currently has the sort order set to International, Dana? Should 'International' be treated as her family name and Dana her given name? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Use of deadname
MOS:CHANGEDNAME states that transgender people's deadnames should only be used in the lead section if the person was notable under that name. I don't see any reason for her to have been notable, so I think it should be removed from the article. LexPro4 (talk) 02:02, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

arabic
Dana International is jewish, but Arabic is an official language in Israel. Dana herself understands Arabic and has fanbases in Arabic speaking countries as well, i.e. Egypt. Source: Interview by Geir Skogseth

Dana's parent are from Yemen. Yemenis are ethnic Arab and while most are Moslem there are also Yemenis who are Jewish, Christian, and Hindu. Groovymaster (talk)


 * Yememi Jews - whether in Israel, Yemen or anyone else, do not generally consider themselves Arabs and do not feel affinity with the society that expelled them. DNA research indicates they do have a higher (Arab-related) level of ethnic admixture than most modern Jewish populations, which correlates with their oral history of descent from Mizrahi Jewish refugees from Judea after the two revolts living and intermingling with Judaized Arabs in mixed communities in the Arabian peninsula in the first few centuries CE.   Being able to speak Arabic in Israel is no more unusual than being able to speak French in the UK - it is a mandatory school subject. So if you want the article to say that Dana is an Arab, I don't think you'll get much luck. Romomusicfan (talk) 16:14, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2021
In the succession box for being the Israeli singer in 1998, please change the singer in the previous section to ‎Liora (singer). 2A02:14F:1FE:9A7E:8507:CA1E:C6AA:7B79 (talk) 08:01, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:53, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * An edit like this for 1998's previous Israeli singer. 2A02:14F:1FE:9A7E:84D4:B634:4469:6D3A (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Gotcha. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Please fix to use a piped link, so that the text displayed on the page doesn't include the disambiguater. 2A02:14F:1FE:9A7E:84D4:B634:4469:6D3A (talk) 16:05, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:22, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2023
Dana International was never married therefore the spouse section needs to be removed. 2600:1002:B028:7884:D166:E380:9CAE:5CCE (talk) 22:45, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ It seems the claim was first added in this diff under the invalid parameter "couple". Much later, another editor came along and corrected the parameter to make it show. The claim is completely unsourced, so I'm removing it. Liu1126 (talk) 00:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)