Talk:Dance-punk/Archives/2015

Alternative Dance
Seeing as Dance Punk can be considered a hit "go to" term these days, I don't understand this being an eclipse to Alternative Dance, which has been a term I've encountered in use for some years now, complete with its own article (bands seemingly known as Dance Punk are coincidentally dropped as Alternative Dance as well). Are they interchangeable? I can see the Dance Punk article is much more involved nowadays, but is this because of its recent coinage in the even more recently popular and growing "indie" community? I don't think I've met one person who have used Dance Punk to describe a one band; certainly not a niche of.

Can someone explain to me the difference between Alternative Dance music and the more recent, Dance Punk? 68.206.184.158 (talk) 08:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Dance punk is alternative dance music, but the people who listen to it want to feel edgy and exciting, so they affix punk to it and say they listen to "dance punk". 24.215.118.42 (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Australian Scene
I have lived in both London and in Melbourne...and I must say "dance punk"is far bigger in Australia than it is in the UK. Particularly with the popularity of the Presets, Cut Copy etc. I actually thought it originated in Australia. They have so many bands that fall into the synth pop/dance punk/electro genre and it has a lot of mainstream success there. I am actually originally from Los Angeles and I have to say I have never heard Dance Punk on the radio but hear it all the time in Australia. I don't think I've even heard it on BBC Radio 1. The Presets and Cut Copy, Digitalism, Pnau, Empire of the Sun etc etc are all very popular in Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.55.59.228 (talk) 08:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Die Warzau
I don't think Die Warzau belong here at all: at best they're contemporaries of Nine Inch Nails and forefathers to The Faint, but dance-punk is certainly not club/industrial/dance music, and the "dance-punk" label has never been given to Die Warzau as far as I can tell from searching around for articles about their music. "Dance-punk" doesn't mean just any combination of dance and punk: if that were the case, there'd be a lot more bands listed here (The Clash, most post-punk old and new...). As it is, dance-punk is a fairly specific, rather recently conceived variety of punk music. Maybe Die Warzau are somehow ancestors to this genre? Am I missing something? &mdash;Tarnas 22:27, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * fair enough point about the relative newness of the dance-punk genre label and that it would restrict die warzau from being classified as such, but saying that, i still feel that they had a fair influence in the sound of more contemporary acts like !!! (re Louden Up Now's similarity to die warzau's lp 'big electric metal bass dace'). how about a paragraph outlining dance-punk's 'Stylistic origins', listing influential ('proto-dance-punk'? ;) bands? --MilkMiruku 09:14, August 19, 2005 (UTC)


 * That would be worthwhile. I've never seen Die Warzau namedropped by any dance-punkers, but if there's real similarity then it makes sense to note it. Can you think of other bands that specifically led up to dance-punk? Q and Not U arrived there through D.C. post-hardcore, Out Hud seem to have arrived there through dub and jamming, !!! as part of Out Hud, LCD Soundsystem drawing a lot from Mission to Burma and those types... &mdash;Tarnas 03:44, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Labels
Dance-punk as a label is a newly devised description of the newer bands mentioned in this article. The influences of these new bands lie with the so-called "punk-funk" or "no wave" bands (also refered to as "death disco," or "mutant disco," after the ZE Records compilation) of the late 70s/early 80s, certainly, but none of those bands were labeled dance-punk at the time. Punk-funk is now the generally accepted term used in retrospect to describe that type of music in that earlier era (which was created by punk or, more accurately, post-punk bands influenced by urban/black dance music and R&B, in particular from the U.S.). The punk-funk term was originally used by Rick James to describe his own music in 1981.

Trommelkopf 00:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Additional redirects
Even though there already exists a number of redirects:


 * dance-punk and dancepunk
 * disco punk and Disco Punk
 * disco-punk and Disco-Punk
 * dance rock and dance-rock

I think you should create a few more catch-all #REDIRECT for your lead headwords, and their main variants:


 * Dance-Punk and DancePunk
 * discopunk and DiscoPunk
 * punk-funk and Punk-Funk
 * Dance-Rock and Dance Rock

With music genre names, it's awfully common for people who'll use them to write them using caps and/or variants. And theoretically, all bold headwords of the lead section and their main variants are supposed to have a redirect. -- 62.147.39.96 15:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I accidentally created a redirect here called punk funk(song) when I tried to create one called punk funk. I'm not sure how it happened but can someone delete it please? Munci (talk) 14:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any redirect Punk funk (song) or punk funk(song). Please specify. Punk funk does indeed redirect here, as it should. Wwwhatsup (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

It's Punk-funk (song) Munci (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * OK done. Wwwhatsup (talk) 17:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Electro Rock
I suggest that Electro Rock should be merged with this page, as it's the same thing.
 * And I suggest a strong No. Categories of music might be hard to differntiate, but its about style and yes there is a difference. MrMacMan 04:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What is wrong with you electro-rock people? first you try and merge with New Rave now this? They are totally different things with totally different groups. I second the speaker above me172.143.100.113 22:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Thirded, ridiculous merger idea. Dance does not equal elctro, and rock does not equal punk. Seperate genres. Caoilte
 * I have to disagree strongly with merging Dance Punk and Electro Rock - there is a new genre needed for bands like IAMX, Nemo, Robots in Disguise, Ladytron, Chikinki, Infadels, The Faint, New Skin, etc - they may have elements of the dance punk genre, but there is far too much of a rock/guitar element to limit them to Dance Punk. Electro Rock is the closest label you might be able to assign to them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.135.217.224 (talk) 21:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC).


 * I strongly agree with the speaker above me... electro rock should not be merged with dance punk. The point about too much of a rock/guitar element is a good one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Buggirl16 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I also disagree with the request. As I understand it, the Dance-Punk genre derives from the post-punk revival that was big in 2002 (when suddenly it became cool to play Gang of Four records), whereas Electro-Rock takes its cue from a combination of Garage Rock and Electro(clash). Very different sounds (spastic punk-funk rhythms vs electronic bleeps and bloops combined with guitars), different sets of bands, different fans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Birdseed (talk • contribs) 07:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC).


 * The entire existence of "electro rock" is original research, is it not? There's no real source at all for the term, and certainly no distinction from dance-punk, is there? Wikipedia articles are supposed to have some kind of support from published sources. Aryder779 (talk) 23:52, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Artists
panic at the disco? come on now.69.234.131.76 01:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Splitting Article
I'm probably going to be splitting this article, taking the big lists and moving them to List of dance-punk bands or something like that soon, unless someone can give me a good reason not to. Sparsefarce 20:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Do it.--CountCrazy007 03:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Was just about to raise the issue myself. 88.106.199.44 19:42, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

=this article==--68.143.159.122 (talk) 16:33, 28 February 2011 (UTC) seems like this article has been completely decimated over the past couple of months by one "hoponpop69". a copy of what it more or less would look like without his "contributions" is up at Talk:Dance-punk/Temp (based on the two revisions before his major edits), if anyone feels like chucking in a few citations and restoring it - CaptainMurphy 02:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * done. CaptainMurphy 14:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I just reverted another edit by User:hoponpop69 which took out the JAmes Chance, Nina Hagen line. I think they are vital. I would question the Raybeats and Fleshtones mentions though. Pylon and Medium Medium are surely worthy of inclusion. There must be some good cites in Simon Reynolds book. Wwwhatsup 03:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

The reason I took it out was because it was unsourced content. I have no problem with you adding it back if you have a source, but in the mean time you shouldn't restore it. Hoponpop69 02:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I also removed unsourced content, much of which was an advertisement for DFA records, and it was re-added by User: wwwhatsup with the justification that I simply removed too much content regardless of the verifiability or appropriateness of the content. For the time being, I have simply marked up the questionable paragraph with citation requests; In a week or so I'll remove this content again if no references appear, assuming it is indeed OR. 98.234.95.213 (talk) 20:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Original?
This article states that :'the original disco-punk fusion came with No Wave icon James Chance, who under the name of James White and The Blacks, released Off White in 1979 on Ze Records'. Well, I'm sorry, but citation or not this is just plain wrong. Talking Heads had been making music in the punk/funk style for at least two years prior to this, culminating in the heavily disco influenced More Songs About Buildings and Food in 1978. 85.134.170.96 00:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've fixed this. Aryder779 (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

You have to be very careful about relying too much on the Reynolds book. Reynolds was so keen on differentiating punk from postpunk and praising postpunk that he literally snubbed bands that didn't fit his narrative. For example, how exactly is it possible to discuss the blending of punk and disco elements without talking about Blondie? Heart of Glass was recorded in 1978. The earliest version of this song, with a strong funk beat, was recorded in 1975. Yet Reynolds pretends this never happened despite this being common knowledge. The James Chance claim was a particular howler. That's the danger of relying on a single source.Alexhaniha (talk) 06:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Electropunk = Dance-punk?
Hm, this seems to be quite a problem. Seeing that EBM became an offshoot of the original electropunk brance, modern dance-punk, which has manifested itself into a completely different scene of music, is paralleled to the original electropunk music. I don't know how true it is to say that dance-punk was an influence on EBM seeing as it is considered the "same thing" as electropunk. ;] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsko (talk • contribs) 20:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Electropunk has been redirected to synthpunk, which seems more appropriate. Aryder779 (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Expansion
I've expanded this article by using material from an older version; I'm in the process of providing references (mainly from Allmusic, which substantiates everything). If anyone has any problems with these changes, please discuss it here. The previous version spotlighted Nina Hagen's "New York, New York" and the Clash's "Magnificent Seven", entirely arbitrarily. Aryder779 (talk) 23:04, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Rick James?
Should he be in here? Considering he is seen as the godfather and architect of the "Punk Funk" sound? I don't know if these are different sounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.112.232 (talk) 19:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Justice?
How can this not contain something about Justice? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.22.52.238 (talk) 17:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Wrong dates
Why do I read in the box that dance punk have originated in the 2000s while the article says about bands from the 70s? -- 217.21.43.222 (talk) 08:06, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Because it was a revival of sorts. Article needs a rewrite. But certainly not, as, wholesale blanking. Wwwhatsup (talk) 11:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

LCD Soundsystem
There should at least be a mention of quite possibly the most critically acclaimed dance-punk band of the past decade

Blondie?
I'm a bit curious. But how does Blondie's "Heart of Glass", a US No. 1 and a massive hit in the UK (No. 1 for six weeks), not qualify as dance-punk? Part of the problem is source material. The Reynold's book is not the most intellectually honest source; if Blondie were honestly discussed as part of "post-punk", then the punk/post-punk distinction that was the center of the Reynold's book would collapse. And Allmusic constantly underrates them with hackish regularity. But sometimes people have to think outside the limited (and intellectually deficient) sources. If we know that the Reynold's book was a travesty regarding the NYC music scene (no one in the NYC punk scene blended punk and dance until James Chance?(!)), then slavishly reproducing its slanted views is little more than perpetuating propaganda. Then all these fine classifications (post-punk, dance-punk, etc.) amount to a pseudo-intellectual dress on the same old fan favoritism, crediting the bands you like but dismissing the bands you don't. So either someone can credibly justify the exclusion of Heart of Glass, the omission of which is glaring but predictable given the very limited source material, or the article needs to be re-worked.Alexhaniha (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC).

Come to think of it, how is "Atomic", which has been subject to countless dance remixes, also excluded? In fact, even before Parallel Lines, Blondie received its first US airplay on dance stations because it's music tended to have a danceable beat. I'm just sick of these Reynold's dominated Wikipedia articles that any knowledgeable music fan knows cannot be trusted.Alexhaniha (talk)

Proposed merge with Dance-rock
This article lists the same groups that appear on the dance-punk article. These both seem to be virtually the same genre. Lachlan Foley (talk) 03:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose — Aria1561 (talk) 00:35, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose — Dude00007, Ph. D., Sc. D. (talk) 23:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)