Talk:Dancehall

Redundant Nonsense
rather than making an edit that'll be undone without checking it, i'm posting here- please be aware that the following segment is very poorly written, unsourced, and dealt with in the following section of the article. for future reference, using words like "hence" and "cosmology" don't give credence to an otherwise unjustified (and frankly, nonsense) train of thought. "Dancehall is just short of being a movement, but does have the characteristics of a cosmology as it is a culture and a lens through which people see the world. This cosmology and cultural phenomenon carries with it a linguistic component. Terms such as "bun" in the Dancehall, which is Patois for "burn", do not carry with them a very literal understanding as it may in European cultures. Hence, phrases like "bun sodomites" will not mean, to literally burn sodomites, but function more as a line of dissent: it is an exaggeration used to indicate serious disapproval." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

english please72.27.140.121 (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Sinebot may have a point- the form of prose encountered here is very elliptical, and poor. I should like to know just what "movements" and "cosmology" mean for this author-- there is some religiously oriented dancehall, but I don't remember it carrying a "cosmology" message.

Worth noting (and I mean that, as I plan to point this article out to friends who are editors or professors) is that this is the first time I have ever seen post-structuralese and its attendant perspectivism used to excuse homophobia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.32.73 (talk) 01:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Movie called "Dancehall Queen"
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0127497/

11/22/04 Edit of Dancehall
Reason for my edit of Dancehall:
 * There was just too much unnecessary habitual, repetitive, berating of the subject of Jamaican journalists' negative view of the genera. The point has already been made clear by the reference of Ian Boyne.  If anyone wishes to take this further please start a new article about Ian Boyne describing his views about Danchall.


 * Again unnecessary and repetitive points of homophbia found in the music. For example, one quarter of the article was about Peter Thatchell (gay activist).  Again if you want to go in depth about this, please start another article about Mr Thatchell detailing the resaults


 * Lastly the socialist bit has to be verified. If anyone has facts that will support this please make it available.

Thanks.

- Alister 00:43, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dancehall vs Ragga
As far as I can see, the ragga article and the dancehall article do not say what's the difference between the two genres. To me it always seemed that dancehall is a more general term that also includes styles like lover rock and other modern reggae music without chatting/toasting/rapping. However, that doesn't seem to be the difference. But what is the difference then? I think it is the more general term, but if ragga is any kind of digital reggae, what is dancehall then? Maybe all modern reggae and not only reggae with digital production. Verify please. Wathiik 08:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Well I've always inderstood Dancehall as a genereal term for a particular sound to hype up a dance - or at least that was, what I believed to be, the original term. What we know today as Dancehall became the main sound in Jamaica - so it was a natural thing to call Dancehall -and it probably will forever now. I remeber a BBC documentary, where Conxone Dodd talks about his earlier sound which were playing at Dancehall's.

However - Raggamuffin (or Ragga) was and still is to some extend - the term used for Danchall in the UK. Remember Daddy Freddy & Asher D's "Ragamuffin Hip-Hop" from the late 1980s. Fashion Records released "Heavy Ragga Hip-Hop" series in the early 1990s and Greensleeves "Ragga Ragga Ragga!" series running from the early 1990s and are still running. Escpecially Greensleeves feature all the hyped names from Jamaica and still call it Ragga as the title. So to me Ragga and Dancehall is the same. The term ragga is just not as commonly used as it was. Jonas Bæk 08:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

--- It's actually simple: there's old school dancehall and there's digital dancehall (ragga). Dancehall began in the mid- to late '70s when the bass and drum began to dominate reggae and DJs and sing-jays started to become prominent (Barrington Levy, Eek-a-Mouse, Philip Frazer, Johnny Osbourne, Yellowman, etc.). See Trojan Records' Dancehall Stylee and Let’s Go to the Blues: Dancehall for Lovers, neither of which sound like today’s dancehall. Modern, digital dancehall (ragga), which basically replaces the drum and bass with computerized rhythms ("riddims") began in 1985 with Wayne Smith’s “Under Mi Sleng Teng”. “Ragga” is merely a regional (European) term for digital dancehall.


 * That is a very good explication of the difference, you should put it on the dancehall page itself. be sure to emphasize that ragga is very much a regional term. Reggaedelgado 21:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

To put an end to the confusion. Ragga is merely the British ( More specifically, English ) term for Dancehall music. Particularly from the mid to late 80's, up to when the term Bashment became common currency. The term Ragga in it's British usage may have indeed influenced Jamaican music, especially when one considers the importance of Britain as an importer of it's product, both because of the Jamaican community that has existed in Britain since World War Two; and because of the influence of it's culture on the indiginous white British. Particularly youth sub cultures such as Mods ( 63 to 68 ) and Skinheads ( 69 to 71 ). One or two records that were big hits in Britain did contain ' Raggamuffin ' in the lyrics. The first example of ' Raggamuffin ' in the lyrics of a Jamaican record was in the mid 1970's with Jah Stich. By the way the conclusion of the homophobic aspect of Dancehall music, all that cosmological nonsense, was ridiculuosly subjective and biased.

A London Jamaican record buyer since 1969. Sellasie I

O.K yes, it was biased in sense of a And yes, Ragga seems to be British (like my fav roots ragga Macka B) but to my ear, ragga seems more agressive and DnB/Hip Hop influencing and influenced. Yes, yes dancehall culture of sound systems is "a long way" but it`s not like U-Roy being out there much today. I see more of slackness, and yes, gaybash, that gives a bad name to reggae. --Rastavox 22:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

--- Ragga is also the name for the strident playing that occurs when the tempo increases within a dancehall song. Merging dancehall with ragga seems like it would cause confusion. --Member of a dancehall band


 * Strident playing? I'm not sure what that refers to, but I do know that reggae songs don't really change tempo pasrt way through. And after 15 years in the business, I've never actually herad that term before... perhaps this refers to the "mix," where the song breaks down and all the instruments play the rhythm as opposed to the melody for a short period. (A popular example would be in the song here I come (broader than broadway) by barrington Levy). Reggaedelgado 15:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

60ies Dancehall
As far as I know the term Dancehall was used just in the 60ies for Ska and Reggae music / events. Trojan Records also uses this therm for 60ies danceable Skinhead Reggae. Dubwiser

Dancehall facts
FYAH BURN?

Sometimes it means "to purify" but not always in Dancehall lyrics. Capleton is crazy about it, but I prefer Morgan Heritage`s usage as a spiritual purifier.

Good Fyah burn contraversy article http://www.jahworks.org/music/features/fire_burn.html

Dancehall is a slackness music - similar to hip hop and no matter how Rastafari they look, Sizzla, Capleton, Buju ... are not and never will be ROOTS REGGAE artists, and they just used Rasta talk to boost records sells. Comapare Buju`s Boom Boom to his Hills & Walleys.

There is a "roots revival" or "roots dancehall" movement present in artists like Luciano, Bushman, Turbulence ... a movement which started with late Garnett Silk.

Dancehall is generaly all about the girls, dance and anti-gay. But you should include such cultural events as Dancehall Queen competition and new dances presented on "How Fi Dance Reggae DVD" www.howfidancereggae.com

As far as I can hear ragga is more different DJ-styla like singjay oposed to dancehalls hard toasting of Beenie Man and more social consciouss. Listen Macka B or Gentleman compared to Beenie Man or Elephant Man. Also ragga seems to be more influenced on old roots reggae and DnB rhytms while dancehall rhytms are more digital, heavy bass and hip-hop like. To be more precious, dancehall DJ-style and rhytm created HIP HOP (See DJ Kool Herc page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool_DJ_Herc

There is much schovinism, both male and female, but girl singers like Cecile, Lady Saw and Tanya Stephens tends to be more consciousness and talking in favour of girls in conservative society.

Sizzla, Capleton and Buju are quite violent on stage and in real life. Sizzla was several times accused for having illegal firearms, calling on killing ALL white people (`all white subjects out of Africa in his lyrics`. Gay lobbies are aware of this and have translated his lyrics from Patois which is reason of many unpleasent things for whole dancehall community. See www.outrage.com

Sean Paul is notably the most popular (but doesn`t mean the best) Dancehall DJ (note: DiskJockey is original name for Toaster, not MC) which has boosted a lot of popular riddims on charts (Suprise Riddim, Buzz Riddim ...) altough other artists had better works. Similar is with Nina Sky and Coolie Dance Riddim, today remembered as "Move Ya Body". Sean Paul www.seanpaul.net

Dancehall is completely Riddim Driven thing without artists as composers, which is not the case with roots reggae.


 * I would most strongly disagree with your last statement... First of all "Riddim Driven" is the name of a sly and robbie album, fraturing a number of what would be considered "roots" artists. Secondly, current artists remain composers just as much as older artists. The musical scores (to use fancy talk) were always created by the band or even more frequently just re-versions of older, established riddims. Artists (I assume you mean singers) frequently contributed nothing but their own voice (sometimes original lyrics and tunes, sometimes not) and as early as the 70s did so in the studio over recorded music tracks (usually artist after artist using the same pre-recorded riddim track). Lastly, to say that moder producers are not artists is rediculous, it would mean that only roughly 20% of modern music involved artists at all! Reggaedelgado 08:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Labels
... Or record companies.

TROJAN is not a good example.

They mostly replublish old good roots reggae

The VP Records is the home for mostly dancehall and most of good new roots reggae.

www.vprecords.com

May Jah Bless You

Listen to the roots, not to the slackness.

--Rastavox 00:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Dancehall a Type of Reggae?
Eh? Since when? Says who? By what classification? In other words, what's the source for this? Hairouna 01:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * That is a an old argument that will scarcely be settled here. Good point though – however, the best we can do vis-à-vis the eternal schism between those who say dancehall is a sub-genre of reggae and those who refute it, is to explicate the schism in this article. --Ezeu 01:25, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

merge?
I put a merge suggestion on this because there seems to be some desire for it amongst editors, and because the "difference" between the two is not clearly explicated in either article (and it certainly should be). perhaps the two articles could merely be improved to the point where they made reference to each other and yet retained explicit differences, but right now I don't think that they do. Any takers? Reggaedelgado 06:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

YES, merge the two sections! It should be called “Dancehall”, and it should be split into two distinct sections. There needs to be a differentiation between "dancehall" and "digital dancehall" (ragga). Dancehall began in the mid- to late '70s when the bass and drum began to dominate reggae and DJs and sing-jays started to become prominent (Barrington Levy, Eek-a-Mouse, Philip Frazer, Johnny Osbourne, Yellowman, etc.). See Trojan Records' Dancehall Stylee and Let’s Go to the Blues: Dancehall for Lovers, neither of which sound like today’s dancehall. Modern, digital dancehall (ragga) began in 1985 with Wayne Smith’s “Under Mi Sleng Teng”. “Ragga” is definitely a regional (European) term and should be used only as a note within the larger dancehall context.

Needed Changes
I think this article needs several changes. 1) Explanation that the terms "bashment" and "raggamuffin" are european in origin. These terms are not used in jamaica. 2) The section that claims there are 2 high points in dancehall music is highly subjective and should be removed. --Selector rebellion 16:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

May 9, 2006 Bashment and ragammuffin are very much used in Jamaica. My edit commented on the importance of dance to dancehall and also the versatility of dancehall music because of its simplicity of structure. The Galliwasp May 9, 2006 (UTC)

I am jamaican. Those terms are not used to refer to dancehall as a genre in jamaica by any means. Bashment basically means party. Raggamuffin is a uncivilized type of person. Neither term is used in jamaica as a synonym for dancehall.--Selector rebellion 05:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I once asked a Tanzanian dj friend the difference between ragga & dancehall. he said ragga is more uptempo & more masculine. warrior music. if girls can wind slowly to it, it's not ragga. I enjoy the music. I'm not a dj, composer or any kind of expert on it. Tim, Australia

More Needed Changes
"Musically, dancehall has a very basic, almost caveman rhythm that allows it to embrace a wide variety of melodies, musical styles and instrumentation. On the diwali rhythm Wayne Wonder can croon the ballad "No Turning Back" and beside it, a deejay can chant "Meet Me At The Party", which is a straight dance tune. This quality makes dancehall more versatile than reggae."

Seriously, who wrote the above? Caveman rhythm? Have you ever met a caveman before? This section is rediculous and I am removing it. --Selector rebellion 05:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

"Dancehall has energised Jamaican popular music because it has spawned dance moves that help to make parties and stage performances more energetic. Many dance moves seen on hip hop videos are actually variations of dancehall moves such as the butterfly, the bogle, the blaze blaze, the pon the river, pon the bank, and the dutty wine."

The first sentence of the above is also highly subjective and does not belong in an encyclopedia article. In a magazine, it would be ok. Encyclopedias give facts, not opinions. The second sentence does not even belong in the same paragraph. --Selector rebellion 05:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

clean up/nice up!
So, I re-added the clean-up tag, because I think it is appropriate for a number of reasons. First of all, itis evident that we have a clash of various points of view/opinions/philosophies of dancehall, and the way that is currently expressed makes for a very disjointed article. Are we talking about a style of music? Or do we really want to try to explain it as a philosophy? Personally, I think we should focus on it as a style of music, as dynamic as that is. Certainly we should allude to the "cosmology" of the scene and its status as a "movement," but this should all be done as a coherent whole. It currently reads almost like a point-counterpoint article, which is not that cool.

Secondly, there seems to be no consensus as to dancehall's relation to reggae—I see it as entirely a sub-style of reggae, but I know that many roots adherents do not. Further we (and the reggae world, perhaps) needs to decide how we wish to deal with the proliferation of roots songs released on current (albeit more traditional) digital riddims.

Thirdly, re: my earlier wishes to merge, we need to deal with the fact that there is a ragga article and a dancehall article, with no explication either place what the difference is (I'm not asserting that there is one, but the fact that we have two articles necesitates a differentiation, right?)

My only suggestion is that we discuss these matters here, then edit the article appropriately. I think that the article currenty addresses all it needs to address, but it does so in a very disjointed manner, and we seem to be editing/adding what we see needed without payiing attention to the article as a whole. Reggaedelgado 08:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

As far as I understand it, ragga is a digital form of (or based on) reggae. Dancehall on the other hand is more broad style including roots and ragga, started as a term for reggae/music played in dancehalls, as the lyrics where to explicit for air play. --195.184.121.117 15:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Did Some Clean Up
Think we still need more data, particularly around the Yellowman, Josey Wales, Cutty Ranks, period of dancehall toasting (1985?). We've got Buju, Capleton, Beenie and others captured around turn of 80's to 90's well but could use more around the 1985-87 contributions to dancehall.

Bias
The article is biased in favor of Dancehall. Philosophical discussions of the "spirit" of the music don't belong. It should suffice to say that there is a disagreement over whether certain homophobic and misogynistic lyrics are serious directives or bragadocious allegory.Anthony717 06:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point. I'm fairly sure you wouldn't have a problem getting sourced stuff for that.

Homophobia
I removed the following section because it wasn't supported in any way by the source provided, and it just sounded creepy.

"Critics of the LGBT-movement claim that attempts to suppress such lyrics in Afro-Caribbean music represents European cultural imperialism, and are disrespectful to the traditions and religion of the region. They argue that homosexuality is almost universally reviled except in a few relatively small but wealthy countries, and that Jamaica, a relatively poorer and smaller country, is an easy target in an attempt to spread pro-homosexual propaganda. "

If there was any reputable source for this nonsense at all, I'd like to have seen it.

Marxist Piffle
"On a broader scale it is this need to stand out, to be individually successful and accomplished that is the basis for Capitalism, an obvious western system of belief. The need for one to be “different” and to be a superstar, as opposed to merely being a talented, is a relatively new phenomenon which can be said to have started with western celebrities and rock stars."

Is this article really a place for someone to put extracts from the paper they wrote for their sophomore philosophy class with the Marxist professor? GeneCallahan (talk) 12:49, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

75.49.251.170 (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Origin, and 'misunderstood' anti-gay lyrics
While we all know that dances in Jamaica have been going on since at least the 50s, this doesn't make the 1950s the origin of the Dancehall genre. Plenty of sources support this view.

Some dancehall lyrics have been violently anti-gay, including "Boom Bye Bye". This is not a 'misunderstanding' and no sources have been put forward that support this interpretation.

If you feel the article is wrong, please discuss it here and gain consensus before changing it again. Thank you.--Michig (talk) 21:11, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Note that the two sources presented to support the ludicrous assertion that Buju Banton's "Boom Bye Bye" is really an anti-child rape song rather than one about murdering homosexuals are this, which doesn't support that at all, and this, which states "they have no clue of the impact of their music as they incite the murder of gay people". The edits today are totally unconstructive with sources cited that do not support the changes at all.--Michig (talk) 21:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

The editor concerned is again reverting to their preferred, totally incorrect version, and adding bogus references that do not support the changes being made. I have tried to engage them in discussion but with no response. If anyone watching this page could take a look it would be appreciated, as I'm wary of falling foul of WP:3RR myself. Thanks.--Michig (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

reference does support
The reference CLEARLY supports the topic. Dancehall music is also knoiwn as Deejay music where the singer deejays or what other would call MCing or rapping. Deejaying aka MCing has been done in Jamaica since the late 1950s. All references support the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwords101 (talk • contribs)
 * The reference does not state that Count Machuki originated Dancehall in the 1950s. Are you not aware that the original dancehall records were by singers such as Sugar Minott? Deejays dominated dancehall reggae some time later, but there have always also been singers. Dancehall is not the same thing as deejaying. I would recommend that you get hold of a decent book on reggae, such as The Rough Guide to Reggae and have a read of it before editing further.--Michig (talk) 06:37, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If you actually read the two sources that you say support your claim, the first is a section about deejaying, not about dancehall. The second states that Machuki was the originator of deejaying, and doesn't mention dancehall. The Rough Guide to Reggae has a whole chapter devoted to Dancehall, and begins by stating that Dancehall originated in the late 1970s. You might also like to read one of the books that you cited along the way, This is Reggae Music by Lloyd Bradley, which talks about the late 1970s and early 1980s and states "Dancehall reggae was the backlash from those apparently left behind by roots's internationalization". --Michig (talk) 06:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Dance was created by Jamaicans
Dancehall's history stems from New Orleans and the ghettos of Kingston Jamaica. It has nothing to do with the rest of the Caribbean from the start. The rest of the Caribean became involved after it arrived in New York in the 80s. Most of the early musicians in Jamaica came from Alpha Boys. Mento and calyso stayed the same it is not reggae. Reggae has alot to do with Ethiopian beats.

Deejaying is a MAJOR part of Dancehall. The reference I gave clearly stated how important Deejaying was to Dancehall and how it eventually became Rap music in New York. Sugar Minott was not the first. On the history you have is not correct. There has always been Dancehall in Jamaica. Count Ossie added the drum beats to the music that you know as ska and Reggae. Dancehall really never evolved it was always based on riddims. Reggae is actually part of Dancehall but has its own riddims. Dancehall is DJ music. It is MCing to the crowd that has been going on in Jamaica ever since the late 50s. Your article only confuse the reader when they hear the older forms of Dancehall from the 60's.

Listen to "Count Machuki - Moon Walk" from the 60s. Listen to the song from the 60s called "Girls town ska - baba brooks" on both you can clearly hear Deejaying and beat boxing. You are sending a wrong message.

Edit Warring on this article
I am not familiar with this topic, but it appears that is acting against concensus, according to what I have read here.

Here is what I am going to do:
 * 1) I am going to revert Realwords101's latest changes, as these appear to be against the concensus. Please note that this does not mean that I support other versions, or that I think that Realwords101's version is wrong.
 * 2) I am going to fully protect this article for 1 week.
 * 3) You should then discuss what you want the final version of this article to be. I would suggest that you leave messages at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reggae, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music genres and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject African diaspora, so that a full discussion can involve all the relevant projects. You might also want to start a Request for Comments.

After a week, myself (or any other uninvolved admins) can review the discussion, and see if a consensus has developed.

May I just reinforce the point that I do not regard either the previous version or Realwords101's version as correct or incorrect - I am merely reverting to the version which consensus currently favours - but concensus can change - you need to decide whether it should or not. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 13:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that you haven't reverted his edits yet. Could you maybe also check that each opinion expressed here comes from a different person? Thanks.--Michig (talk) 16:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for reminding me - I'd said that I'd do it, then forgot! I have now reverted the article to the last consensus-based version. I am also keeping an eye on what is said here, and if there is a cause for concern, it will be reported at the appropriate venue. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 17:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Update: I have left messages at the three WikiProjects named above, asking for people in those projects to provide input here. I will see how you get on with a discussion here - if there's not much progress by Monday, I will start a request for comments. --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 17:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I provided reliable References
I am a person who experienced this subject. I have provided reliable references to my edits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwords101 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 29 April 2010
 * No you haven't.--Michig (talk) 16:51, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

On the issue of the gay subject
There should be an explaination for why Jamaica has those type of songs. To only have one side on the issue is very WRONG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14:48, 29 April 2010 (talk) 96.252.42.5
 * So find some sources.--Michig (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Is dancehall reggae a genre that originated in the 1970s or the 1950s, and is it synonymous with deejaying?
Ok, I find it somewhat ridiculous that sourced content has to be justified against conflicting content for which no reliable sources have been provided, but here's some evidence for Dancehall being a genre that started in the 1970s, and not being synonymous with deejaying: Now lets see some sources that state that dancehall = deejaying, and that the dancehall genre was originated in the 1950s by Count Machuki. Oh, and please note that you need to find sources that actually state this, not just Google results that contain two words somewhere in the book. And if anyone uses multiple accounts to try to disrupt the discussion, you can expect to be blocked from editing. Go.--Michig (talk) 17:19, 29 April 2010 (UTC) I can also add:
 * Thompson, Dave (2002) Reggae & Caribbean Music, Backbeat Books, ISBN 0-87930-655-6, p. 85-90. Section "Dance Hall": this opens with "The dance hall movement which commenced in the late 1970s was the sound of the Jamaican music industry taking control of its own destiny once again, after the increasingly internationally-oriented adventures of the decade." and "Sugar Minott is generally credited as the artist who first hit upon the most obvious solution to this growing dissatisfaction..."
 * Barrow, Steve & Dalton, Peter (1998) Reggae: The Rough Guide, Rough Guides, ISBN 1-85828-247-0, p. 229-269. A section on Dancehall which follows chronologically from prior chapters on Early Reggae, Roots Reggae, and Dub. From the opening paragraph: "As a generic term...'dancehall'...became widely used after the death of Bob Marley in 1981 and the decline in the volume of Rasta-inspired Roots records...even a cursory listen to what was being produced in the Kingston studios of the late 1970s shows this to be false." "But what became different in the dancehall period - roughly 1979-85 - was the degree of influence of live dancehall styles exterted on what was appearing on vinyl. And this was demonstrated not just on deejay records...but on a new generation of singers."
 * Foster, Chuck (1999) Roots Rock Reggae, Billboard Books, ISBN 0-8230-7831-0, p. 157: "The real key to what constitutes dancehall and what doesn't is not the artists but the producers. As the eighties dawned, one who moved to the head of the class was Henry "Junjo" Lawes."
 * Moskowitz, David V. (2006) Caribbean Popular Music: an Encyclopedia of Reggae, Mento, Ska, Rock Steady, and Dancehall, Greenwood Press, ISBN 0-313-33158-8, p. 79: "Dancehall is a style of Jamaican popular music that developed in the 1980s. Dancehall takes its name from the venues in which it developed. The style has its roots in its predecessor reggae."--Michig (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The Origins of Dancehall is in late mid 70's DUB. Its actually dub stripped back and taken to mainstream with lyrics added back as a main component. Dub can be seen as similar to Psychedelic music, as it was seen as a experimental rock music, and was started in the late 60's/early 70's. Most was called reggage, dub tuerm used mostly by musicians studio people, until Dancehall was labelled separately in the later 80's.Starbwoy (talk) 17:17, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

I changed Caribbean to Jamaican
No where in the article does it state other caribbean islands from the years 1930 -1980 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwords101 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Changed Kingston to West Kingston where Dancehall actually started.
I Changed Kingston to West Kingston where Dancehall actually started. There are many sections of Kingston and Dancehall started in West Kingston. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwords101 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Changing date on cultural origins
Dancehall is a name that started when people from the inner city of Kingston, Jamaica gathered after world war 2. It was the beginning of the sound system that would play a major roll in the musical genre called Dancehall. When poor Jamaicans were not able to participate in dances uptown.--Realwords101 (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Since Deejaying(Rapping) is a major part of Dancehall music. The actual cultural decade would be the 1950's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Realwords101 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Dancehall Dance Moves
Given the creativity of Jamaicans (artistes, dancers specifically) I believe a good add to this article would be a complete (or close to it) list of fad dances that have originated out of the music. Many come to mind readily and although a few are already listed in the article I believe an infobox with the dance move, originator and year would be very useful. What do you think? I've already started to gather a list so please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legally Sher (talk • contribs) 01:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have citations to back them up, a few of the major dances may be okay. There have been dozens or even hundreds of dancehall dances which have originated over the years, so I think it would get messy to try list them all. You may consider creating a separate List of Dancehall Dances article, or something like that.--Chimino (talk) 14:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Updates Needed: Gothic Dancehall and Does VP Records still dominate?
I think this articles lacks information on the modern dancehall.. For example, "VP Records dominates the dancehall music market with Sean Paul, Elephant Man, and Buju Banton. VP often has partnered with major record labels like Atlantic and Island in an attempt to further expand their distribution potential particularly in the US market."

Buju Banton is currently jailed and no longer releasing tracks..

There is no reference to the great Vybz Kartel or any other modern acts.

Also new on the scene is Gothic Dancehall, there is no mention of any of these topics in the article... — Preceding unsigned comment added by ReivaxVendetta (talk • contribs) 16:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Culture section seems to be opinion
While I am far from an expert, I've listened to this music since early in its history. The "Culture" section seems to be the opinions of one or two people, in fact it seems to be someone's idea of what Dancehall ought to be. The section is a classic example of the Wiki problem of "all you have to do is put a reference to a book and of course it's a fact". The section seems to want Dancehall to be more like Roots. I suggest that the whole section be deleted, but I've learned to leave such things to people who are more involved with the pages in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.122.66.138 (talk) 22:10, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Conscious ragga - Rocker T
Rocker T? Eh? Never heard of him, and neither has anyone else I have asked (all have been listening to reggae/dancehall music for several decades).

Why is this dude's name amongst the notables mentioned here?

This Rocker T fellow's name clearly seems to have been inserted by a CHANCER. Could someone please edit it out.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllToknow (talk • contribs) 19:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * He isn't particularly well known, doesn't fit the description of artists in that section and isn't mentioned in any of the sources I have, so I have removed him. --Michig (talk) 20:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

There is counscious ragga for decades, check Macka B, Luciano ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.220.189.149 (talk) 02:38, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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Anduwaley Marson Smith
Anduwaley Marson Smith, known professionally as Shabba Duwaley, and often referred to as Shabba D, is an dancehall artist , singer and songwriter. Born and raised in Palmers Cross, Clarendon, Jamaica spent most of his childhood in Palmers Cross, Clarendon, Jamaica. Wikipedia Born: December 25, 1996 (age 21), Palmers Cross, Clarendon, Jamaica Height: 1.72 m Full name: Anduwaley Marson Smith Genres: Dance hall, Gothic, Trap music,Reggae — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.27.64.210 (talk) 15:03, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

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