Talk:Dang Guo

Party-State Dang Guo
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国民党改组以后，把提高党的权力、加强党的领导地位作为推进革命进程的关键，制定了一系列相关政策. 这些政策主要是，在党、政、军之间的权力关系上，主张 以党治政、以党治军、党权高于一切，“一切权力属于党”. 1927年蒋介石发动“四一二”政变以后，以党治国模式正式付诸实施，形成了中国历史上第一个“ 以党治国”的中央集权型政府. 国民党从苏联共产党那里照搬过来的以党治国模式之主要特点，就是将党置于国家政权机关之上，党权高于一切，由党来领导和指挥 国家政权机关，一切重大问题均由党组织决策，国家政权机关只是贯彻执行党组织决策的工具. http://www.chinaelections.org/NewsInfo.asp?NewsID=94968

Since 1927, after Sun Yat-sen decided to copy the USSR political system, Chiang Kai-shek then used the Kuomintang to control, and to operate both the Republic of China government and the Nationalist Revolutionary Army, the ROC bureaucracy had then become the means and tools of the Kuomintang party, where all the major national policies were formulated, resulting in the party holding the supreme power of the whole nation. 1923年初，苏联共产党作出了在中国“全力支持国民党”的战略决策[1]以后，孙中山很快就接受了苏共关于改组国民党的建议. 他说：“俄国革命6年，其成绩既如此巨大；吾国革命12年，成绩无甚可述. 故此后欲以党治国，应效法俄人. ”[2] 在国民党的第一次全国代表大会上，孙中山明确表示：要像俄国革命那样，“先由党造出一个国来”，然后“将党放在国上”，“完全以党治”[3].

由于众所周知的原因，自进入20世纪90年代以后直至现在，尽管我们在政治体制改革方面也做了不少工作，取得了不少成绩，但基本上没有触及党政不分、以党代政这个“‘以党治国’的国民党遗毒”，没有致力于解决“党权高于一切”这个历史积弊，致使政治体制改革较之于经济体制改革明显地不适应了，滞后了. 我国改革开放和现代化建设现在之所以面临诸多相当严重的困难、问题及阻力，均于“‘以党治国’的国民党遗毒”和“党权高于一切”的历史积弊有着或直接、或间接的关系. 这方面的问题能否逐步、有效地得到解决，政治体制改革能否从根本上真正启动，将在很大程度上决定着中国改革开放和现代化建设的命运，决定着中国共产党乃至中华民族的未来.

Dang Guo and Single party-led republic
Anyone like to compare Dang Guo and Chinese Soviet Republic, andPRC ? Arilang   talk  22:52, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Quotation of Peking University professor Pan Wei's lecture (北京大学国际关系学院国际政治系教授，潘维):" 比较司法和执法独立的分权制衡制度，“一切权力归人民代表大会”固然民主程度更高，却也成为“党之治”的基础. 中共党员在人民代表大会中占绝大多数席位，共产党当然就拥有了包括立法、行政、司法在内的“一切权力”. 再由于共产党员遵从“民主集中制”这一党内纪律，“一切权力”也就被集中到了党的最核心机构——中共中央政治局常务委员会. 这个委员会目前由包括总书记、总理、人大委员长、政协主席在内的9位委员组成. 因此，在制度上，一切权力归人民代表大会的制度导致中国由中国共产党直接治理. 这个事实被写入《宪法》的《序言》部分. 这就是让许多人感到中国并不“民主”，而是“党主”的原因. "

http://www.chinaelections.org/NewsInfo.asp?NewsID=111152 Arilang   talk  23:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Quotation:"中国的现行政体有六大支柱.
 * （1）共产党及其核心决策机构；Central Committee of the Communist Party of China,Politburo of the Communist Party of China, Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China, Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the Communist Party of China, Political and Legislative Affairs Committee of the Communist Party of China, Organization Department of the Communist Party of China Central Committee
 * （2）共产党领导下的拥有一切权力的“人民代表大会”；National People's Congress
 * （3）由共产党直接指挥的现代政府机构；
 * （4）由共产党直接指挥的“中国人民解放军”；People's Liberation Army
 * （5）共产党领导下的“多党合作”政治协商咨询机构 Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference
 * （6）以及共产党领导下的“半官方”群众组织，包括工会、共青团、妇女联合会，工商联合会，等等. "

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The result of the move request was: page moved. rgpk (comment) 18:23, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I moved this article (initially names Dang Guo) by accident, now I request a discussion to move it back it's old name to avoid neutrality issue. Arilang   talk  02:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, this article should be redirected to Single-party state, and the content of Dangguo can be moved into the Single-party state, History of China and Politics of China.--WWbread （Open Your Mouth?） 13:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Support This article is all about China, but in general the term "party-state" is associated with Leninism. Apparently, Lenin's preferred term was "vanguard party". This could be the Chinese subarticle of "Vanguard party." "Party State" is not really the same as "single party state" since the idea is that every large organization should have a dual leadership, one person with technical expertise and the other a confirmed party loyalist. The party controls the Chinese army? Tell that to Zhao Ziyang. Kauffner (talk) 09:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Comment I agree with Kauffner. Dang Guo is more than single party state. In Dang Guo, the omnipresent Party (Dang) owns everything, and control everything, including the military. Whereas in Single-party state, the party is just a party. Arilang   talk  09:38, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Seeing that you moved it in error, you could just ask any admin to move it back to its previous namespace without going through this RM, unless you believe it should be another name. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 10:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks OCF. Arilang   talk  11:08, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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