Talk:Danger Hiptop

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This entry is a heavily-modified version of an Everything2 writeup of mine. I've tried to be as unbiased as possible, and I certainly don't want this to be an advertisement, so any help on those fronts will be greatly appreciated. -- wonko 00:06, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Sidekick ID/Sidekick X Rumors
I don't think rumors need to be in a Wikipedia article. Articles are suppose to be facts not second rate rumors. AJ 02:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Hiptop/Sidekick 4
There is no evidence to back up that a hiptop/sidekick 4 is going to be released this year. We need a source. This can not be true since the D-Wade Sidekick just came out last Tuesday anyway. Stop reposting rumors: Someone keeps putting this in the article "This latest version is currently in development and should be around or smaller than the current hiptop. It is rumored to have a QXVGA screen, 2+ megapixel camera with video capability, and a capability for bigger memorycard to be put into it. It will be coming out either around Q2-Q3 OF 2007 or Q2-Q3 2008." Again stop posting rumors! AJ 12:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Sidekick 2008 is confirmed for July 30th, 2008. See t-mobile documentation shown on: http://gizmodo.com/5026097/sidekick-2008gekko-coming-july-30th Will update tomorrow if released ^_^ --Triconda (talk) 15:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Updated, but is just a stub for the moment. --137.142.122.117 (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Split / Revision proposal 2
I'm going to layout a full set of suggested changes for updating this page, including new wpd pages. Anyone else paying enough attention to get involved?

I'd like to help out with the changes. Also I think the differences between the original hiptop (b&w and color) and the hiptop2 merit a new article for the hiptop2. Which means taking off the picture here and getting a good picture of the original. --Bmalicoat 22:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Split / Revision proposal
I propose that this page be either split into new pages reflecting the product revisions or split into section detailing strengths and weaknesses of each version.

Hidden Features?
Are these appropriate for inclusion in a Wikipedia article? The Jade Knight 18:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

What is the concern? Steve 14:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC-6)

OS 2.1 and other versions
No mention is made of differences in versions. Fido, and I assume other carriers, do not yet have 2.3, and thus have no JavaScript in their browsers, among other things. Fido also does not make Yahoo! IM available. 24.235.99.74 16:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

What are the hidden features? I think they are important. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.62.246.1 (talk)

Attention flag
I marked this with attention because it uses second person, and more importantly, it reads like a brochure. Wikipedia is not meant to sell a product, it's meant to describe things. This article is full of salesspeak/fanlove. I believe the original author of the article posted it to both everything2 and wikipedia at about the same time. I don't know if Everything2's guidelines consider this kosher, but this article is in need of a deep rewrite here. --Improv 15:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Relaibility issues
To make this article even-handed, some mention must be made of reliability issues, especially with the Sidekick I.

Remove Data Stored on Remote Server Error
This is no longer a problem with the Sidekick 2. Even in a Area with out Coverage you have access to all you User personal Data. All Task, Calendar items, Telephone Number, Etc are locally Stored. If you turn off your Wireless service you can see that you still have access to your Data.

Remove Data Stored on Remote Server Error (Correction)
I wrote this to respond to the post above. As of the hiptop v2.3 update, data like (contacts and notes) are stored on the remote server.

Merger with Sidekick II
I've proposed merging Sidekick II into this article. It's just a stub, and furthermore, the Sidekick II is just T-Mobile's branding of the Hiptop2. -- Hawaiian717 02:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that's a fine idea. Just redirect it to Danger Hiptop ? -- BillWeiss | Talk 13:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Sidekick II had no content that wasn't already here. -- Hawaiian717 15:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

use in the Deaf community
anyone want to write a short blurb about the SK's heavy use in Deaf communities? JoeSmack Talk 17:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I had added this to the page with a fair amount of detail from experience and from contacts in the deaf community. Hope it helped. ZyphBear 04:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Just what i thought it needed. Kudos. :) JoeSmack Talk 14:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't decide which is better the Sidekick 2 or the Sidekick ID they kinda look the same.

Big change
I was bold. I removed a lot of the more marketing-seeming content, though I tried to keep any informational content. Differences between the 1 and 2 are now discussed. I reworded some of the "Use By the Hearing-impared" section for grammar, readability and personal preference. Reworded the first bullet in Press to be more clear.

I don't think that this is enough to remove the cleanup tag, but it's a start. Please let me know (here or via my user page) if you disagree with me on some of this.

-- BillWeiss | Talk 21:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * By and large, I think your changes are a good thing. --Improv 22:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, good :) -- BillWeiss | Talk 12:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

"Advertisement" press
Since someone's reverted this change, I'll just ask everyone who cares about the topic: should this article include some of the positive press of the Sidekick? If so, should it be worded differently from what it is now?

I'm going to make what seems like a reasonable edit to make this less of an advertisement. I would appreciate comments. -- BillWeiss | Talk 12:55, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

"Sidekick" vs "Hiptop"
Please do not change the information in this article to rename the product the Sidekick. The 'Sidekick' is a T-Mobile branded version of the 'HipTop' made by Danger. It is ONLY known as Sidekick when sold through T-Mobile. All other phone providers as well as the manufacturer, Danger, refer to it as the 'Hiptop'. Also, please do not state information about "Upcoming" products until they are publically available and confirmed. The Hiptop3/Sidekick3 has not been officially announced, nor can any of the details about this product be confirmed at this time. ZyphBear 13:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all, good edit!


 * That being said, I think that it should be allowable to mention the upcoming Hiptop 3, as long as the mention is labeled as speculation and/or hearsay. There's something to be said for rumors.


 * -- BillWeiss | Talk 17:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * 172.162.111.180 Made some great edits adding a lot of new verifiable information about the Hiptop 3, but also changed a lot of references to Hiptop back to Sidekick or added references suggesting that "Sidekick" is the correct name (e.g. changing ===Hiptop 2=== to ===Sidekick 2 (Hiptop 2)===.
 * If you wish to make a case for giving preference to T-Mobile's brand over the manufacturer's brand, why not explain it here so that others don't have to keep reverting each other's edits? Jzerocsk 17:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It has been mentioned many times before, Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball. Information that isn't verifiable through stated reliable sources should not be published. Technically, No one has announced the Hiptop3/Sidekick3 at all. Not Danger, not T-Mobile, not any of the other carriers. Anything released until then is all rumors and heresay, which it has been mentioned very specifically doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Once any official details are released, I think it would be good to have a table of features that are covered in all the models.


 * And Technically, there are NOT 4 versions of the Hiptop, there are (currently) 2 with a 3rd "Possibly" being on the way. The Hiptop 1 was released with a B&W then a Color Screen, still considered the same model, just like the 4G iPod then the "4G iPod with color screen", none of the features changed past the new screen.ZyphBear 20:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Considering that the color hiptop is a different hardware build and runs a significant revision of the OS (OS1.3 was *massively* overhauled for color support and a bunch of related changes), I'd certainly consider the grayscale and color "original" hiptops distinct products. We certainly did inside the company.  Another fun fact: the color hiptop ran at 48MHz, the grayscale one at 24MHz.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.81.243.122 (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2006 (UTC).
 * As of 6/20/2006, Sidekick 3 is officially announced by Danger and reviewers such as Gizmodo have now been permitted to put up pictures and information. All of the features attributed to the SK3 can be easily verified at this point - it's no longer speculation.  It's interesting to note that based on what Danger has on their site, the actual name of the 3rd-gen device is actually "Sidekick 3."
 * Anyway, truth be told, I didn't want to simply criticize 172.162.111.180 for the Hiptop->Sidekick edits without at least acknowledging that he also added some good information, too. Jzerocsk 20:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We are speaking about the little "picture" on Danger's site as the "official annoucement" right? They do technically say to come back on July 10th for the announcement. No specifics are given showing features that are different other than having MSN, MP3 player, the bluetooth and 1.2 megapixel camera. No price point. Not saying if 7/10 is the official release or just announcement. Nor any informaton saying that this version will be exclusive to T-Mobile and not be released around the world (which sounds a little far-fatched.) Nor saying what your pricepoint is if you already have a SK2.
 * And the review sites always get them early, that's what they do. That's also why their version is called "review units", which means they could be different from the final version. Some press got the Motorola Q almost a year before it was released and changes were made to it many times. They don't have to get "permission" to put up pics. In fact, some have gotten in trouble for releasing info early about a product.
 * Oh and yea, i made a revision then removed it to not cause another arguement. I'm not saying those edits done by the unregistered user was totally bad, just not to include the Sidekick3 in the information until there is a FINAL version. (now also to make a note, some compaies have had different version of a product based on the provider. After all, MSN has been available overseas for awhile now. (Look at hiptop.com's main story). ZyphBear 20:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Connectivity
Will the Sidekick 3's BlueTooth mean that a person with a BlueTooth-equipped laptop can connect to the Internet via their Sidekick and GPRS and/or CSD? - Reply:

The bluetooth in sk3 is currently version 1.2 and is only for use with bluetooth headsets.

Sidekick/Hiptop 3 info
I've purchased and used a Sidekick 3 (from T-Mobile), a production unit. I've added a bit to the article about it and verified any existing data. -- BillWeiss | Talk 06:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Still needs some work
This article still needs work. I'm pretty sure most of the facts aren't correct but I want to double check them all before editing. That being said not much is cited, so I'll try to nab some sources. I'm still new at editing/writing on wikipedia so bare with me. MinusX 10:28, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Any reason for hardware to keep Hiptop 2 info right after it? It's not even the latest anymore and it really should cover all the bases right?MinusX 10:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you guys put something in here about manufacturing..Japan? or Japanese company using factory in ?..how is it distributed...69.130.190.143 02:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)fletch

Photographs of Danger Hiptops
The photographs of the Danger Hiptop that are currently displayed on the article are okay, altough they could look better. My suggestion is to obtain photographs of each version with the screem flipped open and flipped closed. This would reveal more of the device, and thus being more efficiant. TBoy 87417 04:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Popular Culture section
I think that this section needs some paring down. It's huge! Any suggestions on how to do this, or complaints? -- BillWeiss | Talk 05:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I suggest burning it all with fire. A sentence in the article reading something like "It's on TV and movies a lot, and celebrities use it." and get on with our lives. Ryanjunk 16:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I took one of the more generic comments (about the Hiptop replacing two-way pagers) and expanded it a bit, and deleted everything else.  -- BillWeiss | Talk 19:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Japanese-language support
Since this section is so small, I think it would be better to make a section for Languages Supported and include Japanese into it. I couldn't find an official list of languages and I personally don't own one, so if anybody could help that would be great. JYi 19:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Renaming of new sections about future Hiptop Devices
I propose that we do not add the "Hiptop" name for the "Sidekick Slide." As it is not manufactured by Danger, then it could be just referred to as the Sidekick Slide.

Software section
I feel like the majority of this section should go away. The "Tip, Tricks and Hidden Features" section doesn't feel very wikipedia-like. The emoticon section? No. The autotext section doesn't really need 10+ examples, does it?

Speak up now if you disagree, please. -- BillWeiss | Talk 17:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Sidekick LX Domain Name
There is someone who added, that www.sidekicklx.com was a registered domain name under T-Mobile which is untrue. This has been removed


 * Really? When I do a whois on sidekicklx.com, I get this:


 * With, obviously, a lot of other stuff deleted. This looks enough like a T-Mobile owned domain that I'm going to say that you're wrong. -- BillWeiss | Talk 03:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, feel free to replace... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfv93 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Slide vs LX
Is it true to say that the LX is the latest? I thought problems with Slide held up release? ClaudeReigns (talk) 06:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Forums as sources
Aren't those prohibited by WP:RS? ClaudeReigns (talk) 19:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Normal SidekickLX 3.jpg
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Major Changes
I've just gone through the article and made a load of changes, corrected information from personal hands on experience (I own a Hiptop). Replaced most references to Sidekick with Hiptop, except where the T-Mobile branded versions are referenced specifically. Added an image to the slide stub. Basically tried to clean the whole article up a bit after I saw the dismal state it was in when I arrived =P 20:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Connectivity outside US
just wonder what functions will available for a unlocked Sidekick outside US. From what i see in the article, the web browser and email client (for send msg) require danger server, so I guess this is a no. How about IM and myspace? Will they work outside US with a third party mobile network operator? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.77.36.49 (talk) 09:41, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic content
I noticed a lot of information in this article that seemed to be unencyclopedic, particularly in the Sidekick (2008) (Danger/Sharp) section. I was bold and removed much from this section, such as prices and a reference to a vendor's website, and cleaned up the informal review-like tone of the section. If this information is really necessary, it should be written in a more formal tone.

I believe editors of this article need to consider what specific information belongs in this article and standardize the information included in each part of the Hardware section. Some of the sections include detailed descriptions of the processor in the device, some exact specifications of the unit's dimensions. If this information is in fact encyclopedic, it should be present for each version of the device and presented in a standardized fashion. If not, it should be removed. Any thoughts?

LK (t|c) 00:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Links to Non-T-Mobile sites
As a long time Sidekick user and what many would consider to be well-versed in the device, I wonder why sites that are not official T-Mobile sites have been removed from the wikipedia page. I recognize that some links are just pure spam, but I would also argue that some sites are relevant to the topic. One section that I believe was on here long ago was about how the Sidekick community (a developer by the name of AcidAngel) discovered a feature (custom user made themes) in the Sidekick that was not supposed to be accessible. Because this information was leaked out (originally on the http://www.hiptop3.com/forums) and users picked up on it, T-Mobile was forced to not restrict this feature as they had originally planned. They still sell themes through the Catalog, however they have left the ability to load your own custom themes on the 3/LX/Slide/2008. Several sites have sprung up regarding how to do this, as well as offering themes and theme creators (http://www.sk3themes.com was the first and http://www.sklxthemes, http://www.skslidethemes.com, and http://www.sk08themes.com followed). I feel like this is information that is relevant to the history of the Sidekick. Not including it would be right in line with keeping the article as if it were written by T-Mobile, filtering the information that perhaps they don't want totally public. I have not added the sites as this may be a conflict of interest since I built and run these sites. In the past, http://www.hiptop3.com was a reference for various bits of information and rumors. Based on it's history of rumors, many people regard it as a reliable source. FWIW, it is the first result from a Google search of "sidekick" that is not a T-Mobile site or Wikipedia. In addition the various theme sites are also the first results when searching for information on customizing your sidekick and how to do it. I'm not after pagerank or traffic as these sites are generally as high in the search engine results as possible (generally #1) and previous traffic from wikipedia has accounted for approximately less than 0.20% of traffic to hiptop3.com for example. I just feel like this is an area of expertise where I can contribute knowledge and understanding.

I am unable to find when various references to http://www.hiptop3.com and the information on custom themes was edited out. As I said before I did not want to add this info as it may be misunderstood as a conflict of interest. I would be willing to add what I think is relevant and open it up for editing if others agree that this information is useful. Thanks. Edrabbit (talk) 23:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, the iPhone (commonly compared with the Sidekick) page contains multiple links to various 3rd party sites and blogs. Edrabbit (talk) 23:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

See Also Section
This seems like a pretty irrelevant list. --Jamie Kitson (talk) 15:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Discontinuation
''On 31 September 2009, Telstra Australia officially discontinued the hiptop service plans and phones. All remaining customers who contracts are still under contract are not affected, once the last ever contract will finish it is most likely the hiptop will not be avaliable in Australia again.''

Is this true? I can't find a reference, and also 31/9 is a non-existent date.  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 08:11, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

answers please
could someone please tell me if the phone hiptop2 is available running on telstra nextG. i am wanting to buy this phone but need to know this vital information regarding this phone. 202.59.16.106 (talk) 06:56, 16 April 2010 (UTC) 6th april 2010

Security issues?
Does the Sidekick have security issues? Because under this article, it is listed that Sidekicks had security issues. Native94080 (talk) 03:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Article Name
Should this really be called the Danger Hiptop article anymore? That seems very out of date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.117.198 (talk) 09:59, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you suggesting renaming it to T-Mobile Sidekick? I suppose that might have some merit, in accordance with the WP:COMMONNAME guidelines. Letdorf (talk) 21:44, 21 March 2011 (UTC).

T-Mobile Sidekick 4G (Android) is an unrelated phone.
The Danger hiptop was created by Danger inc and sold under tmobiles trademark 'sidekick'. Every version was created with Danger inc. There is nothing to show that Danger is in on the creation of the sidekick 4g. Being a subsidiary of microsoft who creates a rival mobile os to Android this information is pertinent. Tmobile can make sidekick phones.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

www.danger.com not responding
Checked at 08:30 UTC 2011-06-20. If this persists, external link should be redirected, perhaps to archive.org. (I can't find any trace of Danger as a distinct entity under microsoft.com.)--Onkelringelhuth (talk) 08:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

all Danger related websites not responding anymore
Danger, Inc. Danger-sponsored Website & Forums

Should we just insert a note that they are not available anymore or re-direct to archive.org ? User:lfcohen September, 28 2012

Data loss timeline off
The data loss timeline doesn't make much sense. It says:
 * On October 2, 2009, Microsoft lost the ability to access user data for T-Mobile US Sidekick subscribers temporarily. Subscriber data loss included contacts, notes, calendars and photos. Some data was restored within 14 days of the outage, however most of the data was restored between October 8 and the end of November. Early reports stating T-Mobile and Microsoft had "almost certainly [lost all customer data] as a result of a server failure at Microsoft" proved to be untrue and premature.[3]

Clearly October 8 (I presume the same year since it doesn't give a year) is less than 14 days so saying 'some data was restored within 14 days' and 'most of the data was restored between October 8 and the end of November' is just plain confusing. The other article doesn't help much (although does suggest the October 8 may be a little enthuastic and the only ref in our article seems to suggest the whole thing is a bit ORry. Nil Einne (talk) 12:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Hiptop Included Software into Danger Hiptop
Suggest merging with Danger Hiptop. Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV. Information exists, to a lesser extent within existing article already. Skipple (talk) 20:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree, seems extraneous to have a separate page. I've been revisiting some of the old Hiptop related wiki pages and doing some clean up. 0xillin (talk) 05:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirected, as there was no referenced material to merge, and the Software section here is well-developed. Klbrain (talk) 20:12, 20 November 2022 (UTC)