Talk:Dangerous (Michael Jackson album)/Archive 1

Actual U.S Sales
According to the RIAA, Dangerous has shipped 7 million copies in total throughout the United States. Of those 7 million shipments according to Nielsen Soundscan, 5.8 million have been sold over-the-counter. Therefore I have made some revisions to the sales table on this page.

chart trajectory
why do vandals continue to remove chart trajectory????? I find it offensive that only Michael Jackson is targetted in this vandalism of album pages. please stop it and I implore everyone to fight these vandals. --121.208.67.44 11:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not vandals; it's policy. see WP:MUSIC/CHARTS--AshadeofgreyTalk 11:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Soundscan data
I have removed the data surrounding the 9m in sales inclusive of Soundscan and World Music Club. Reasoning is as follows - that Soundscan covers all RIAA certification sales, these are not additional. Refer also which gives a weeks data from Soundscan for MJ sales - and when he was having in increase in sales. 500 units for Dangerous for the week, 200 the previous week. Even if you take the higher figure and say he managed this for the full 7 years since last creditation, this comes to 200,000 units total. I know it's speculation, but the figure isn't even close to 2 million. World Club sales may double this, but still 0.4 million only. Others have estimated 0.5 million, and this certainly seems more correct. 60.234.242.196 10:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Nirvana
Nirvana's initial success in the mainstream was punctuated by the fact that they knocked this album out of the #1 spot -- why no mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.68.67 (talk) 20:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

- Good point.

Also, how about people contributing to English-language Wikipedia actualy knowing English? Good idea, eh?

Fair use rationale for Image:Michaeljacksondangerous.jpg
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The Garden of earthly delights.
Todays main page featured article was on The Garden of Earthly Delights, a painting by Hieronymus Bosch. The artwork for the dangerous album makes lots of references to this painting. I spotted two details of the album cover that are directly lifted from the painting, the most glaring being the two figures in the bubble thing on the right hand side. Should reference be made to this somewhere in the dangerous article, what do other think? Is it relevant?Iiidonkeyiii (talk) 12:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, obviously we need sources otherwise it's original research. — Realist 2  ( Speak ) 12:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

7Pt
The album sold 7 million in US in 2 months - did it never make 8 million? Seems odd. Rich Farmbrough, 10:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC).

Critical reception
The passage on critical reception seems a bit one-sided; the only "authority" quoted is the National Association of Recording Merchandisers, which makes it more of a comment on commercial reception. My impression was that critically "Dangerous" was - at best - mildly received; venerated for its craftsmanship, but viewed as something of a hollow and patchy album (albeit a step forward after the excesses and missteps of "Bad"). Certainly I'd suggest that reviews putting it on a par with "Off The Wall" or "Thriller" are few and far between. 220.239.203.208 (talk) 07:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Dangerous World Tour
This Song was planned from the start of the tour with Give In To Me,In The Closet,Dirty Diana and Remember The Time for the Dangerous World Tour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.33.93 (talk) 14:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Aleister Crowley
I think the potrait of Aleister Crowley on the lower right area of the album cover should be noted, especially considering MJJ's known fascination and interests he had with Occult imagery. (LonerXL (talk) 00:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC))
 * Do you have a reliable source discussing that about this album cover? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 01:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

== There never was a robbery at LA international of 30K albums.. remove this

Orphaned references in Dangerous (Michael Jackson album)
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Reference named "SM Dangerous": From Michael Jackson:  From Black or White:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Sales/certifications
I removed two entries from the sales/certifications list. The first claimed sales of 1,985,500 in France based on. Note that the website itself marks the sales figures with "* Estimation", so they are not official sales. The second entry claimed sales of 180,000 and 7x Platinum in Malaysia based on, which is self published and not a reliable source. Anyone can upload any image and claim anything in an online auction. Note also that the image itself does not mention the Recording Industry Association of Malaysia, which should be the awarding organization, not Sony. --Muhandes (talk) 16:51, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Sales in Japan
As far as I know "Dangerous" underperformed compared to "Bad". "Bad" sold over 800,000 units per Oricon, but "Dangerous" sold only about 300,000 and was certified Platinum, NOT 3x Platinum as claimed in this article. Also, the citations for RIAJ and the Japanese sales do not lead to anything specific... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.89.105.69 (talk) 09:00, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

is it too early to talk DANGEROUS 25
PERHAPS INDICATE SOMEWHERE IN THE ARTICLE THAT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,like Thriller and Bad it too will have a 25th edition — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.189.87 (talk) 17:00, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Cover Symbology
Strange that no mention is made in this article about the album art and its blatant illuminati(I refuse to capitalize that word)symbology...anyone have any info on that? Robvanvee (talk) 12:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Information based on reliable sources that is not given undue weight would be acceptable; original research would not be. JoeSperrazza (talk) 21:56, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Princess of Monaco???
It's highly unlikely Princess of Monaco was featured in this album? Does anybody know who wrote that there???--Dongiello (talk) 09:38, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Decade and Strawberry Fields
It is well documented that Michael was going to release an album called "Decade" prior to recording "Dangerous". However, where is it sourced that there were going to be 2 discs, one 1979-1989 and one 1980-1990? That doesn't make any sense at all, and I've never read anything confirming that. Also, where is the source that he recorded a cover of "Strawberry Fields" by The Beatles for the project? He recorded "Come Together", is that perhaps the song that you're referring to? WizardOfChaw (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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Infobox genres
I think that rock should be removed: I cannot find sources which say that Dangerous is a rock album. Only one song ("Black or White") is labeled as rock  and  sources must explicitly attribute the genre to the work or artist as a whole (WP:EXPLICITGENRES). I also have some doubts about dance. I previously thought that Rolling Stone confirmed that genre, but now I'm thinking that the review isn't explicit enough Blueberry72 (talk) 15:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Right you are – let's remove rock. I think we should also remove gospel, dance and hip-hop. The main genres found in the literature are pop, new jack swing, and R&B. Binksternet (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope, "Give In To Me" is also rock. Isaacsorry (talk) 19:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Two rock songs in the tracklist don't make Dangerous a rock album. I've removed dance and rock from the infobox. Before removing gospel and hip-hop, I would discuss: in Entertainment Weekly it is written "Jackson tosses cohesion to the wind and instead touches on every contemporary style of R&B, from rap and hip-hop gospel to new jack swing [...] The love songs replace warmth with an unsettling sense of hostility, and even Jackson’s pop-gospel songs sound forlorn, not uplifting" and in Blender "Jackson discovered hip-hop (a little late) and scored another five hits". I think they aren't explicit enough, but you could disagree. Blueberry72 (talk) 11:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Dangerous (Collector's Edition)
Whoever removed the tracklist for the second disc that comes with the Collector's Edition shouldn't have done that. It's a rare product, but it does exist.

JohnStartop (talk) 06:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Artwork
Love MJ or hate him, this has one of the most iconic album artworks of the modern era. But nothing on it in the article. This is a failing, undoubtedly, and a shame too. but a small section, yes, would be necessary. Cheers, ——  SN  54129  14:12, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The artwork is wonderful, but we also need sources to add relevant information. Owynhart  09:44, 25 January 2020 (UTC)