Talk:Daniel Annerose

Comment and rebuttals
The reference speaks for itself. Kacembepower (talk) 02:45, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The references show possible notability for the company, not for this gentleman. Ironholds (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Check the TED reference.Kacembepower (talk) 02:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So he spoke at a conference. I spoke at a conference once - what's your point? Ironholds (talk) 02:53, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Did you read the the TEDblog reference sir. This is the exact phrase: "Danniel Annerose: CEO and Founder of Manobi, developer of prize-winning cell phone-based services that, for example, give farmers market intelligence and allow them to achieve better prices for their crops."

No he did not speak at the conference.Kacembepower (talk) 02:58, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * So the reference verifies that he is indeed the CEO of Manobi. No change there. Ironholds (talk) 02:59, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

you said, "The references show possible notability for the company, not for this gentleman." Notability for the company would certainly bring notability for the CEO and founder, wouldn't it?Kacembepower (talk) 03:08, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. notability is not inherited. Ironholds (talk) 03:19, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The rule you quoted is not fixed in stone. It suggest not arguing from "notability is inherited." It says notability "may" or "may not" be inherited. Plus if we follow your logic that would be like saying Bill Gates is not notable because he was the founder and CEO of Microsoft. The fact that the company and the CEO are on TED also also indicates its notability. I will refer you to the TED article. In the case of TED, notability is inherited. Kacembepower (talk) 05:24, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Bill Gates isn't notable because he's the founder and CEO of Microsoft, he's notable because he has reliable, third-party sources discussing him (not microsoft) in detail. The sources you've so far provided are 1) an article in which he is quoted and 2)an article in which his discription effectively consists of "Daniel Annerose, CEO of this company, which does X, Y, Z". See WP:NRVE (which is a guideline rather than a recommendation, as "arguments to avoid" was) "the notability of a parent topic (of a parent-child "tree") is not inherited by subordinate topics". Ironholds (talk) 09:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

To say "Bill Gates isn't notable because he's the founder and CEO of Microsoft" is to make a wrong and illogical statement. In this case the cause of notability is the child(Microsoft). Bill Gates's(parent) notability stems from the child. Initially the two were inseparable. This is why the rule of notability "may" or "may not" be inherited and its not "policy" and more of a "guideline" notability is not inherited. A guideline is not a "plan" fixed in stone. Guidelines are flexible. In almost every article about Bill Gates, Microsoft will be mentioned. I have yet to find an article about Bill Gates that does not mention Microsoft. Just like one can't talk about Daniel Annerose without mentioning Manobi. Manobi is the claim to fame and notability.

I will say, "Bill Gates is notable because he was the founder and CEO of Microsoft, and he has reliable, third-party sources discussing him which in most cases, if not always mentions Microsoft."

As far as sources on the web goes:

He has been mentioned in major international news organizaion like the bbc and cnn. A mention by these two news organization would not be trivial or incidental.


 * http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2290540.stm --BBC
 * http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/03/i_if.01.html --CNN

There is more detail biographical information on a World Trade Organization(WTO) website of a conference he participated in. That would not be trivial or incidental from a major international organization. The information is also in french. He gets quite a bit of coverage in the French press too although not applicable to english Wikipedia, but adds to notability.


 * http://www.wto.org/english/forums_e/debates_e/daniel_annerose_popup_e.htm

Other more detail biographical information on the web include the following.


 * http://www.africangreenrevolution.com/en/conferences/2007/speakers/daniel_annerose.html
 * http://www.acacia.org.za/WEBTIMES/senegal_markets.htm

Here are coverage from other online trade and professional journals.


 * http://cms.ict4djamaica.org/html/Resources/Agriculture/tabid/70/ctl/Details/mid/436/ItemID/24/Default.aspx
 * http://www.american.com/archive/2007/july-0707/africans-to-bono-for-gods-sake-please-stop
 * http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/168211/hightech_cell_phones_help_africans_trade_crops/
 * http://www.kiwanja.net/database/article/article_mobiles_poverty.pdf
 * http://www.iconnect-online.org/News/ict-update-market-information-systems
 * http://www.africa-investor.com/article.asp?id=1793
 * http://www.itnewsafrica.com/?p=108
 * http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/back/balancing-act_241.html
 * http://www.cellular-news.com/story/12470.php
 * http://euroafrica-ict.org/events/forum_agenda

significant blogs.
 * http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/cat_mobile_phone_projects_third_world.htm?p=5
 * http://kenyonfarrow.com/2007/07/16/africans-tell-bonostop-sending-aid/

Kacembepower (talk) 17:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Followup from AFD
As i had said in the AFD, this article needs more info on dr. annerose to make it more than a placeholder for his business. i added basic info on who he is, and why this business fits with his background. i still would prefer an article on the business first, with his info included, but thats my obsessive librarianship. this is adequate. i hope others will in time follow the mans work to establish better grounds for notability, and i of course hope that this business makes a difference in senegal, which by all account dr annerose is trying to do.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)