Talk:Daniel Bernard (diplomat)

2006 comment by Cckkab
Bernard's reply does not deny nor confirm comment, as is standard in such cases. Presumption that comment true, but no proof.

What is particularly interesting is contrast between English and French press comment (cckkab repasted French press comment edit,... edit by all means but please do not delete!).


 * I find it strange that there is no article on him on French Wikipedia. Is he not popularly known at all in his home country? This affair was a huge scandal in the English-speaking world. Drutt (talk) 17:03, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was no move. DrKiernan (talk) 15:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Daniel Bernard → Shitty little country — This article is styled as a biography, but it isn't. It is a description of a specific controversy. Per WP:BIO1E, I am requesting a redirect. A Google search for +"Daniel Bernard" +ambassador shows that almost all matches (and all of the top ones) reference this specific controversy, and it seems to be his only real claim to notability, so the article should focus on and be named after the incident. I can't move it because there is a RFD history at the target. —--*** Crotalus *** 21:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Created from move request on WP:RM —Keith D (talk) 21:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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 * Support changing the title to reflect that the article is about the comment and the resulting controversy rather than a biography is best. I can't say that I like the proposed title, but can't think of anything better.  Eluchil404 (talk) 07:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Nominator is correct that the article is about a specific controversy rather than a biography.  However, there is no evidence that this event is ever referred to as "Shitty little country" (see external links).  In the absence of a clear name for the event, something including the subject's name is the most encyclopedic option.  A more core question is why this article exists at all.  WP:BIO1E (cited in the nomination) and WP:NOT would have the content moved to the appropriate articles (Foreign relations of France, Antisemitism, &c.) and to Wikinews and this article deleted since it is simply an archived news story. —   AjaxSmack   15:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I know this isn't an AfD, but there's enough detail in his Times and Telegraph obituaries to suggest that he's notable beyond that single event (and I'm sure that having an obituary in two national newspapers fulfils a notability criteria). Also, per WP:BIO, ambassadors and diplomats seem to be OK, especially those like Bernard who've been the subject of significant coverage. Ergo, I don't think it needs moved, merely rewritten to incorporate more biographical info (and the two obits can serve as sources). As for "Shitty little country", I'm far from convinced that such a page title would be encyclopedic. Create a redirect by all means, but I imagine that such an article title would raise more BLP-esque concerns from offended family members than it would solve. I'd also be OK with a dab page and a move to something like Daniel Bernard (ambassador). --DeLarge (talk) 14:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose, try to fix the article instead. Ambassadors are notable enough even without scandals. Don't create a dab page until other articles about people with the same name exist. Kusma (talk) 17:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose The article is about the Ambassador, not about Israel. 199.125.109.129 (talk) 02:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As Kusma says above, the solution is to improve the article so it doesn't dwell so heavily on one event, rather than to move it to a new title. Terraxos (talk) 02:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Other Daniel Bernards
There seems to have been at least four Daniel Bernards running about:


 * an ambassador known for his Shitty little country comment;
 * a Canadian politician, Daniel Bernard (politician);
 * a former CEO of Carrefour, Daniel Bernard (businessman); and
 * a Brest and Ettelbruck footballer, Daniel Bernard (footballer) (or are those two different footballers? I note now that one is said to be French and the other to be Luxembourgian).

(Check "what links here" from the redlinks above.)

Whether this page should be moved to Daniel Bernard (ambassador) or Shitty little country, I'm not sure. But where it is, it is just confusing. I don't know if any (or all) of the Daniel Bernards merit an article, but until I checked and updated three articles just now, they all linked here! So, I think it would be most useful if Daniel Bernard ended up as a disambiguation page.

the Sidhekin (talk) 09:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Why clean up?
I cannot see any reason for clean up. Is the reason political? Chasnor15 (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Clean up of Article
I've expanded this article to include more information on the reactions. I've also fixed the references with respect to format.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 07:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC))

Other than remark
We've got a lot about the 'remark', what else did he do? RJFJR (talk) 16:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

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