Talk:Daniel Inouye/Archive 1

Misplaced Quote
Why is there a quote at the bottom of his bio? Shouldn't it be moved somewhere else or even removed?

How do you correctly pronounce his name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.22.62 (talk) 19:02, 25 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Inouye - ee-KNOW-weh

Wrong link
The link in relation to the death of his wife was in fact a link to a NYT story about an accusation of inappropriate sexual behaviour against him. The report states that these were never proven, an apology was made by the accuser, and therefore this is not relevant and has been removed.


 * I might question why unfounded charges of pederasty remain in Arthur Clarke's article, while this accusation of sexual harrasment is purged as irrelevant. But leave that aside for the moment. Wikipedia's "Political Scandals" page still links here; that should be changed. ChrisWinter 15:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Arm
The article says he lost his right arm in the war. Does he have a prosthetic one now? --BDD 08:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Conspiracy Theory Removed
I removed a quote from the Disclosure Project since the source it cites requires a login and password. Find a public source of some kind, print or digital, before restoring the quote. 128.12.186.192 09:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hardly A Japanese Slum
Dan Inouye's childhood was spent living in the Bingham Tract, affectionately known as "Chinese Hollywood." It was and is a solidly middle-class neighborhood of working families and small business-owners. The neighborhood was solidly Chinese and Inouye's family were the only AJA's on the block. Wealthy it was not, but it was far from being a slum.

The allegations by his 1992 opponent, Rick Reed, were politically motivated during a heated race for the US Senate seat. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kuasol1 (talk • contribs) 10:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Right Arm
I've met the senator several times, and I'm pretty sure he still has his right arm, but lost the use of it. I don't rightly know where to find a source for that info, but it didn't look like a prosthetic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.102.185 (talk) 20:16, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

He is missing his right arm and does not use a prosthesis. See his official bio. He generally wears his suit jackets long, and the sleeves may make it appear he still has a right arm. The few times I've met him, he always shook my hand with his left hand. He is also the only senator to have his ceremonial ink well on his senate desk situated to the left of the desk. All other senate ink wells are on the right.Dcmacnut 00:43, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Recent Photo
Are there any recent photographs of Senator Inouye available? I would estimate the current one is early 1970's.
 * There is this one: http://inouye.senate.gov/Home/images/Sen_1.png Is it official enough? - User:raprat0 05:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.76.110 (talk)

"Shadowy government" quote
"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy,its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself." This was uttered by Sen. Inouye during the Iran Contra Hearings. Should we have this included in the article? __meco (talk) 14:20, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

What total nonsense and a slap to those serving in Iraq
This whole war story is absurd. Inouye was shot by a sniper, ran up a hill, killed 25 Germans manning a MG nest, and then was hit by a hand gernade. Clinton gave him, and 21 other Japanese a MOH to pave the way for the 138 Medals of Honor covered under the JWV Act of 2001

The 'Go for broke' glory brigade was 3000 soldiers who served for eight months total at the end of the war. They were taken off the line for six months from June 1944 to april of 1945. The odds of them recieving 22 Medals of Honor are astronomical.

Professor Boris (talk) 22:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Your argument is pure BS. At the time, Inouye got the DSC instead of the MOH for a variety of reasons, including institutional racism and the fact that he survived (most MOH winners in WWII were posthumous awardees), but his actions definitely justified the MOH when Clinton decided to give it to him. There were numerous reliable eyewitnesses to the particulars of his bravery, and the details are pretty ironclad: he led a frontal assault on three consecutive MG42 positions, all of which he singlehandedly destroyed, despite being repeatedly shot and having to switch to throwing grenades with his off-hand after his right one got blown off. The whole platoon saw him do it. People are capable of incredible feats of stamina in the terror of combat, and the men of the 442nd took their honor especially seriously. They had a lot more to prove than your average unit, and their feats of bravery were numerous and largely unheralded at the time. Bullzeye contribs 17:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd also note some statistics: the 100th and 442nd were awarded a grand total of 53 Distinguished Service Crosses, 9,486 Purple Hearts, but only one MOH. That was for Sadao Munemori, who was cited for doing almost precisely the same thing as Daniel Inouye (singlehandedly assaulting multiple machine gun positions), except that he also dove on a grenade. This helps highlight part of the selection criteria for the MOH during WWII. Grenade jumping was a shoo-in for a MOH, because it was both fatal and totally selfless, the ultimate sacrifice from the Army's perspective. With notable exceptions (Audie Murphy comes to mind) surviving at all (albeit in Inouye's case without a limb) was generally seen as a lesser form of sacrifice, no matter how noble. Thus they got the DSC instead (if they got anything at all). Bullzeye contribs

Correct Pronunciation
Inouye is actually pronounced "ee-know-OO-ay."

Please included his efforts to upgrade military citations for persons of Japanese ancestry; including himself. This worthy effort contains an uncomfortable element of self-service that should be included for proper balance.
 * WTF! "ee-know-OO-ay" is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong. That's basically the haole way of pronouncing his name. They turn ANY word ending in "e" as "ey". Listen to any marine stationed in Kaneohe pronounce the city name. Mr. Inouye's surname is spelled in Japanese as 井上（いのうえ）, which is romanized as "inoue". The use of "y" is old school and obsolete, but is still used by people with the surname who have been in the west for many generations, such as Mr. Inouye. Groink 04:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Please remove the preceding comment 'haole' is not an English word. Mr. Inouye is an American. He is not Japanese - he pronounces his name like an American. He alone decides how to spell his name. If he wants to spell it with a y, an i, an e that is his choice.

In Japan, han characters are used along with hiragana and katakana. That is fine, but in America, English is the working language and this is English Wikipedia.

There is no need to even include Han characters or other Japanese symbols for his name - if including them creates confusion as to his nationality or loyalty, then I suggest they be removed. After all, famous Irish Americans do not have Irish letters included so why include Japanese. Dazibao (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC).

President Pro Tempore
Please do not add this to the article until it occurs. WP:CRYSTALBALL says we can't add future occurrences until the vent occurs, not matter how likely. One does not become president pro tempore automatically. The Senator must be elected by a vote of the full Senate. This has become sort of a formality, but is a necessary step before we can change the article.DCmacnut &lt; &gt; 12:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Isn't Lautenberg older anyway? Why would it be Inouye? Ummcke09 (talk) 17:53, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Sen. Inouye is the most senior member of the Senate, having been there since 1963. Sen. Lautenberg is older, but his seniority standing is based on him being there since only 2003.  See Seniority in the United States Senate.  Musashi1600 (talk) 18:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Can we get some information on his Hawai'ian antecedents?
Looking at his mother's name Mr. Inouye's ancestry is Japanese/Polynesian (Hawai'ian) yet apart from her name no mention is made of that side of his descent. It would be great to see some information on that.

Addressing the comment below on Haole and the request to remove it because Mr Inouye is an American. Yes the word Haole is not English - It's Hawai'ian and it means white person. Given that Hawai'ian is an official language of the US in Hawai'i (There is no official language for the US as a whole) - It's probably fair enough to use a Hawai'ian word in a discussion on a person who is themselves Hawai'ian - don't you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.246.150 (talk) 02:11, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If his mother is Hawaiian, you or someone would need to supply a citation before anything related to that can be added to the article. Musashi1600 (talk) 12:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Formatting
Italicization in the senators by seniority for visual differentiation with the Order of precedence box, above, and the Presidential line of succession box, below. These are italicized on all non-protected Senator and Representative boxes, because only about 30 were not.  is not needed or helpful before}} or |, only continuing text. 75.202.43.180 (talk) 13:44, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Long infobox
I have an Infobox related question regarding this article and that is...is it really necessary to list every political affiliation in the infobox or can we choose say the most important ones. As it is the infobox scolls three quarters the length of the page and is, I believe unweildy. Before I begin slicing off chunks of infobox and locking horns with another editor I thought I would leave a message here and see what the generals feelings are towards infoboxes of this length. I am also going to leave this on the milhist talk page just in case a frequent editor is watching. Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 17:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Then would you care to define what is "important?" Other US politicians have infoboxes showing their career down to the same level. I think it should remain.--Ctoshw (talk) 04:51, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Confusion over early childhood
The article states he "grew up in the Bingham Tract, a Chinese-American enclave within the predominantly Japanese-American community"

So did he grow up in a Chinese community or Japanese community? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 (talk) 08:00, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what's unclear about this. He grew up in a Japanese-American community, but in an enclave within that community that was mostly Chinese-American ("enclave" is a word that means about the same thing as "ethnic neighborhood"). I don't commonly hear about American cities having ethnic neighborhoods with smaller ethnic neighborhoods inside them, but the Japanese-American community in Hawaii was large enough that it seems plausible to me. 99.120.78.221 (talk) 20:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Platoon Leader
The article states, "Inouye was promoted to the rank of sergeant within his first year, and he was given the role of platoon leader." Platoon leader is normally a second lieutenant's position. A sergeant would usually be a squad leader or, perhaps, a platoon sergeant. Was there possibly some confusion when this line was added to the article? Axeman (talk) 07:14, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Watergate and the Ervin Commitee
There should be much more detail about the Watergate investigation (the Ervin Committee), and especially the notorious comment by Haldeman's lawyer that Inouye was a "little Jap". I wish someone more knowledgable than I would add this, properly sourced. Mlavie (talk) 20:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Death
He died earlier today.--62.254.88.178 (talk) 23:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

adding Leahy as PPT
I have reverted the additions of Patrick Leahy as President Pro Tempore. We should wait until he is sworn in. - Thanks, Hoshie 00:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's correct. The Senate has passed a resolution naming Leahy PPT. The rules of the Senate suggest he becomes PPT immediately. There is no oath requirement, and the act of taking the oath is a formality. Mgruhn (talk) 01:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Age factoid no longer of interest
The article currently says that until the time of his death he was the second-oldest current senator. This is not, I think, of terribly much interest. I would suggest his age at death is now better compared to the ages of all senators, living, dead, and retired, when their service ended. -Dfeuer (talk) 03:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Lead
The lead is all about Senate tenure factoids relating to longevity. The lead doesn't say a word about his military service. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The first thing in the lead after his name and dates of birth and death is a reference to him being a Medal of Honor recipient; was it perhaps changed after you left this comment? Nyttend (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think so. Even if I just missed it, that says something, because the lead doesn't tell us why he received a Medal of Honor. His WWII service deserves its own lead paragraph, along with his political tenure. I just haven't had a chance to draft anything yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:30, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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