Talk:Daniel O. Griffin

Undisclosed paid edits
I have added an undisclosed paid tag to this article because of extensive editing by a UPE sockfarm, please see Sockpuppet investigations/Thaiboy43 for evidence.{{#if:Andcentra| Users relevant to this page include: {{#invoke:String|sub|{{For nowiki|| {{#if:{{{1|}}}|{{Np2|{{{1}}}}},&#32;||}} |Andcentra||||||||||||||||||}}}|1|-8}}|}} The article will need a thorough review ensuring notability, due weight, neutral language, and use of reliable sources before the tag is removed. MarioGom (talk) 13:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see any evidence of paid edits at those links. What specifically is the evidence? --Nbauman (talk) 03:24, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It has been (now) disclosed by the author. See the banner above. MarioGom (talk) 22:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I just did a thorough edit, adding sourcing and noting a few places where citations were still needed (some association memberships, principally). From what I see in revision page, Andcentra had just added selected publications, which are all sourced, and some categories (living people, immunologist). The tone reads as neutral to me. Taylor (talk) 14:36, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * User:MarioGom, I followed the links above and I can't find the admission by Andcentra that s/he was paid to edit this page. Where is it? --Nbauman (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See Andcentra (talk · contribs) has been paid by Daniel O. Griffin on their behalf. at Special:Permalink/1119319725. Added by Andcentra on 20 February 2022 (diff). MarioGom (talk) 23:20, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this what you're referring to? "Also, i am a paid wiki editor, in the past i have made undisclosed edits." --Nbauman (talk) 23:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to this exact text: Andcentra (talk · contribs) has been paid by Daniel O. Griffin on their behalf., added by Andcentra at Special:Permalink/1119319725. You can find it by clicking this link, pressing Control+F, and searching "paid by Daniel O. Griffin". MarioGom (talk) 23:31, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but how is that an admission by Andcentra? Nbauman (talk) 01:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't know what kind of answer you're looking for. I pointed to the exact paid disclosure by Andcentra, added by Andcentra. So let me ask you, how is that not an admission? MarioGom (talk) 08:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)


 * When I press Control+F, and search "paid by Daniel O. Griffin", I get
 * Andcentra (talk · contribs) has been paid by Daniel O. Griffin on their behalf.
 * That's in Wikipedia's voice, not in Andcentra's voice. That's not an admission. Where has Andcentra admitted in his/her own voice that he/she was paid by Griffin? --Nbauman (talk) 22:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Paid is the standard template for paid editing disclosures on user pages, which is also recommended at WP:PAID. This template was added by Andcentra to their own talk page, which you can check in the page history. If you think this template is not a valid paid editing disclosure, you're free to bring that up at Template talk:Paid or Wikipedia talk:Paid-contribution disclosure. MarioGom (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but there is nothing on Andcentra's talk page to indicate that it was Andcentra who added that template, rather than an admin. The template addition has no signature.
 * I'm not concerned about the individual edit, but I'm trying to figure out the Wikipedia process for handling accusations of violating rules in general. I don't see any audit trail for this particular decision. If you can easily point it out with a link, go ahead, but I'm ready to give up on this. --Nbauman (talk) 18:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Here's the link to the exact edit where Andcentra added the disclosure: Special:Diff/1073043539. Wikipedia tracks every change to every page, including the author of changes and time. If you follow the link, you will see that Andcentra added a disclosure (in the source: ) to their own talk page, with timestamp 18:54, 20 February 2022. MarioGom (talk) 21:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To add some more context: paid editing might seem unusual for pages on academics. It actually isn't. There's at least one company who spams University emails to offer creating a biography on Wikipedia, as documented on . There are also more generalist spam companies creating biographies for academics, as part of a wider clientele. MarioGom (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

OK, now I've got it. Special:Diff/1073043539 is what I was looking for. It has Andcentra's signature. Thanks for the help. --Nbauman (talk) 19:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)