Talk:Daniel Vierge

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Right hand removed?
This article says he lost the use of his right hand due to a stroke. In the documentary "Frank Frazetta: Painting With Fire" (see Frank Frazetta) someone says "I think he did it because he had his right hand removed." (at 1:10:50) I was curious as to why Vierge had his right hand removed and came to this article. It's possible the person in the Franzetta documentary was mistaken.

McClure’s Magazine July, 1893 says:
 * Daniel Vierge Urrabieta, born in Madrid, 1852, became a student of the Fine Arts Academy of Madrid in 1865. In 1869 he went to Paris and began his career of illustrator. In 1881 he was stricken by an attack of paralysis, which it was feared would be fatal. But for the last four or five years he has been growing steadily better in health, and has been able to resume his brilliant work. Although but little known to the public at large, he ranks among the most original and striking of modern artists, and is without doubt at the head of the illustrators.

That same article has four pictures of Vierge all of which show his right hand. I imagine the copyrights have expired. --Marc Kupper&#124;talk 05:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The person in the documentary must have misheard or misread, or misremembered what he had heard or read.


 * After his stroke, Vierge lost the use of his right hand, not the hand itself. He later regained the use of it to some extent.


 * In "My Two Impressions of Vierge" (The American Magazine of Art, Volume XI, Number 6, April, 1920, p.200) Elizabeth Robins Pennell writes:


 * Because of his youth and picturesqueness and beauty, it gave me all the more of a shock to see in his right hand a cane upon which he was leaning heavily. But his laugh at once made me forget it. "O, la, la!["] he shouted joyously as he stretched out his left hand in greeting and gathered us in. And "O, la, la!" was all he said, all he could say, during the hour or two we sat with him in his bare little apartment.


 * For this splendid creature, made for life, for action, for romance, had been struck dumb at the same dreadful moment when his right side was paralyzed. He had spent years of complete helplessness, of complete dependence upon others ...


 * August F. Jaccaci's article "Vierge: The Father of Modern Illustration" in The Century, May 1893 to October 1893, p. 188, reproduces a picture captioned "FIRST DRAWING MADE BY VIERGE WITH HIS RIGHT HAND SINCE HIS ILLNESS." The drawing of a head in profile is signed "Vierge" in shaky cursive and dated 1893. --64.134.31.188 (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Most images in Category:Daniel Urrabieta y Vierge on Wikimedia Commons not by Vierge
Only three of the pictures shown on the Wikimedia Commons page devoted to Daniel Urrabieta y Vierge are by Daniel Vierge: the illustration (engraving by Abot after a drawing by Vierge) for which also accompanies the English Wikipedia article as an example of his work, and two others,  and  The other images on the Wikimedia Commons page devoted to Vierge are almost certainly by Vierge's father, Vicente Urrabieta, a prolific illustrator and lithographer. I have gone into more detail in the Discussion section of the Wikimedia Commons page "Category:Daniel Urrabieta y Vierge." --64.134.31.188 (talk) 22:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * This has been corrected. -- 64.134.31.188 (talk) 21:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

1882 edition of Quevedo's El Buscón was a French translation
The 1882 edition of Quevedo's Historia de la vida del Buscón llamado don Pablos mentioned in the article was a French translation published by Léon Bonhoure in Paris, and it bore the title Histoire de Pablo de Ségovie. Vierge was unable to finish the illustrations for this volume because of the stroke he suffered while working on them. In a prefatory note, Bonhoure informed the reader that Vierge had been stricken with a serious illness. Despite its being incomplete, Joseph Pennell called this work "the most brilliantly illustrated book every published" (p. 31).

An English edition appeared in 1892 under the title Pablo de Segovia. This volume contained additional drawings Vierge made following his stroke and after he had learned to draw with his left hand.

--64.134.31.188 (talk) 22:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)