Talk:Danny Deever

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Nice small article, good job Jaranda wat's sup 20:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Popular culture/literary references?
The novel Starship Troopers refers to this poem when one mentions that a trooper will be hung for crimes ("making one dance 'Danny Deever'.") Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article somewhere? --Micahbrwn (talk) 08:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The exact quote from Starship Troopers is:

"They were going to do it to him... they were going to do the "Danny Deever" to Ted Hendrick."

This was not spoken out loud, but rather a thought had by Johnny Rico immediately after Ted was found guilty of striking a superior officer, and immediately before sentencing for same at the field court-martial. His sentence was not hanging, as it almost certainly would have been in a general court-martial, but ten lashes and a Bad Conduct Discharge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.180.159.104 (talk) 08:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Music section edited as it seemed to give far too much weight to the opinions of dead US Presidents and UC Berkley's tradition of using one of the tunes ascribed to the poem - neither are essential to the article which is about the poem. Bit surprised to see an article on this poem and not see Peter Bellamy mentioned, just another example of wiki's on-going US-centric obsession?? 80.6.147.186 (talk) 01:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the current incarnation of the fiction section from the article, as it's fairly thin (and also unreferenced) - are these mentions really significant? Shimgray &#124; talk &#124; 20:47, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

References in fiction
Robert A. Heinlein uses the Kipling poem as a euphemism for military execution by hanging in his novel Starship Troopers, by way of the terms "do the Danny Deever" and "dancing Danny Deever". Many elements of Kipling's work are repeated in the novel, including the adverse reactions of young infantry recruits to a public flogging following the court martial of one of their ranks.

The author again references the poem in a later chapter, in which a soldier is convicted of desertion and murder, and is hanged. In this context, "Danny Deever" is the death march played by the company band, as the offender is stripped of his rank, insignia, buttons and cap and then led to the gallows. American military tradition would imply that the song is played without the accompanying words, though this is not explicitly stated in the work. Nicholas Freeling titled one of his novels (featuring the French detective Henri Castang)"What are the Bugles Blowing for", following a murder investigation, culminating in the execution of the culprit by guillotine. (In common with most of Freeling's work, the culprit is known from the start) Lines from the poem are used to introduce chapters in the book

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Starship Troopers
I made these corrections based on the unabridged audio book. See: https://youtu.be/EOQMpb_R41Y?t=10097. Rklawton (talk) 21:21, 6 December 2020 (UTC) And at time slot: https://youtu.be/EOQMpb_R41Y?t=14795. Rklawton (talk) 23:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)