Talk:Daredevil (film)

Sloppy
The article was pretty poorly written. I just did some major revising. The article lacks of positive reviews of the film. And the 2nd worst movie tag is just an opinion and gives the reader a wrong idea of the movie


 * Agreed, but then who are you? (Username) and when did you do that? There remain parts to be cleaned / revved up. For instance, tha part about "Box office performance": I doubt there's any single section in the whole of Wikipedia that's more stupid. Who cares if the film was banned in Malaysia??? This rubbish, this useless discussion about Malaysia fails to hide the fact that whoever wrote the section had nothing to say. I think Daredevil was banned in Antarctica, too. So what?? Just what was the real Box office performance??? It doesn't say. --AVM (talk) 02:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's notable, and received coverage. So stop trolling, and try to improve the article. ThuranX (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Soundtrack
Is there no article or section about the soundtrack?

Sequel
Are there any plans for a sequel to this film? After all, the ending was rather ambiguous, and the Elektra film isn't really a part of the Daredevil continuity. BugEyedMonster 03:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Doing a quick search yields nothing concrete aside from rumour and general speculation. Also, Elektra is part of it, like it or not. Unless they decide to otherwise erase events that transpired in that film in order to better incorporate her resurrection (which was obviously hinted at during the end of Daredevil when he found the braille necklace) into the story. --71.156.91.239 18:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Elektra
Is Elektra (2005) even intended to be in the same universe as Daredevil? Other than the same actress playing the same character it seems to have absolutely no connection to this film. No shared backstory, no mention etc. --2605:A000:1E02:C05D:7535:ACC4:D26E:FDE9 (talk) 00:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Vigilante
I always thought that daredevil first appeared as a vigilante in a spiderman comic. Spiderman thought he was a bad guy and was after daredevil for sometime. After realising that Daredevil was in fact a good guy who just had not-so-good tactics, they eventually became friends and spiderman convinced daredevil to change his methods. This is very similar to the movie only without spiderman. I wanna see daredevil and spiderman together. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.67.7.151 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Not just any form of it. You can watch that cartoon, "Daredevil vs. Spider-Man", but it would be cool if we could see Ben Affleck and Tobey Maguire together.
 * It won't be Toby.173.58.64.64 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:26, 28 September 2010 (UTC).

Kill the family
The Kingpin kills the whole family. So he personally killed Jack Murdock. Why did he let Matt live? Even in the present, Kingpin knows that "The blind lawyer from Hell's Kicten" is the son of Jack "The Devil" Murdock. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.78.43.180 (talk) 14:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Because when he killed Matt's father, he wasn't the Kingpin he was basically just a mob boss, and he only kills families as the Kingpin. Make sense?--76.23.230.214 02:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now. Kingpin said to Matt "I was walking for 'Follin' at the time". Follin was the old guy that told Jack to lose the fight. At that time Kingpin was just another guy. It wasn't til later when he became the big doss!


 * Actually it's either "Falen" (according to the closed captioning) or "Fallon" (according to the IMDB page). I don't know which to consider authoritative (I believe he's not mentioned in the credits), so for now I've left the latter spelling used by a previous editor.  Joule36e5 (talk) 09:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not so sure I understand this...
The following scenes were deleted that were featured in the PG-13 cut of the film:

The confession booth scenes between Father Steven and Matt Murdock. The love scene between Elektra and Matt Murdock (Ironically, some critics had praised the realism of this scene, in which Matt would follow his desire rather than vacuously fighting crime). The scene where Elektra and Matt walk through New York and briefly discuss their origins The look on Elektra's face when Bullseye stabs her. The scene where Matt is told by Urich how Elektra is a target of the Kingpin, it is replaced with him learning this from a corrupt cop.

Does this simply mean that these scenes were featured in the theatrical version but not in the director's cut? I'm sorry but for some reason this baffles me... Ultimatemarvel 13:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

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Trivia
here's the 'trivia list', let's get it off the main page and incorporate what actually matters, leave the rest. ThuranX (talk) 05:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In the theatrical cut of the film, Foggy Nelson's name is mentioned only once.
 * The woman who left a message on the answering machine in Daredevil's apartment that he listened to was Heather Glenn, who was Daredevil's love interest in the comics.
 * When Bullseye is first introduced in the film in a pub, the Irish-American hip hop group House of Pain's song "Top o' the Mornin' to ya" is playing.
 * Karen Page played by Grey's Anatomy star Ellen Pompeo, makes a small appearance as the secretary at the Nelson & Murdock law firm.
 * Michael Clarke Duncan reprises his role as The Kingpin in the episode Royal Scam, of Spider-Man: The New Animated Series.
 * Ben Affleck did an introduction to the TPB of Kevin Smith and Joe Quesada's Daredevil story "Guardian Devil."
 * In 2007, Michael J. Nelson, Bill Corbett and Kevin Murphy of Mystery Science Theater 3000 fame released a humorous audio commentary for the film on their RiffTrax service.
 * During the conversation between Matt and Elektra regarding their origins, Matt mentions that Elektra's father seemed to want Elektra to be a warrior, to which Elektra replies that he simply did not wish her to be a victim. Jennifer Garner's character on Alias had a similar background with her father subjecting her to a CIA sleeper agent program and later claiming that he did not wish her to be a victim.
 * During the conversation between Matt and Elektra regarding their origins, Matt mentions that Elektra's father seemed to want Elektra to be a warrior, to which Elektra replies that he simply did not wish her to be a victim. Jennifer Garner's character on Alias had a similar background with her father subjecting her to a CIA sleeper agent program and later claiming that he did not wish her to be a victim.

revisions:
In addition to stripping out Numerous trivia lists, I'm hoping to turn this into a decent article. Not GA or FA, but certainly a decent article, to at least fit in with all the well done Marvel films and Comics films in general. To that end, I'm starting a section with various problems to be fixed. If you add to the list, please sign the adds, so we can find you to check if we've fixed it, wher doubt might otherwise show. ThuranX (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * 'When given the job directing Ghost Rider, Johnson has been quoted as having said that "he won't make the same mistake again." ' needs a citation. ThuranX (talk) 01:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked around for this quote, but unless it was published in a magazine it's not out there (as a reliable source... oddly enough this quote is on many sites, presumably lifted from from this article). What was the actual context of the line? As in what mistake is he referring too? -- Harish - 12:37, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * He was referrign to the mistakes made in Daredevil, and not repeating them in Ghost Rider. As to 'which mistake'?I'd wager 'everything about daredevil, LOL' ThuranX (talk) 01:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The 'Critical reaction and box office' section is not that well written. I'd know. It's like something I'd write. I've listed sources below if someone else is willing to improve the section from a critical point of view. -- Harish - 14:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. I hope it's fine, but given the time and my urge to just finish asap at the wish of my headache - I have a feeling it needs editing for a better finish. It was a gruelling piece of work, and I wish that on no one. -- Harish - 02:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

reversion date?
Can we get a source for when the rights revert? thanks. ThuranX (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

film Rights...
Does anyone know how long Fox will have the copyrights to daredevil and characters tied up? Where could I find out this info? The Spectacular Spiderman cartoon on right now doesn't feature Kingpin because the cartoon airs on CW and Fox still has the tv and film rights for Kingpin tied up.---Thurs. June 19, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chimeradave (talk • contribs) 05:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

While no solid information is readily available, various statements made regarding the upcoming reboot from Regency Films indicates that if Fox doesn't get a new film started within ten years, the license will revert back to Marvel. Since the first film was very profitable for Fox (if not particularly well recieved by fans), they will likely begin filming in 2012. Fox did the same thing this year with Ghost Rider, whose license was also about to expire. 97.93.231.215 (talk) 00:30, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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product placement.
An IP keeps insisting on adding flowery prose about the genius of a watch company in creating a vaguely tied in watch. Unfortunately, the material is not sourced to an acceptable source, (the IP uses the product's website page, a primary source), and tie in products aren't notable in general, otherwise we'd have screenlengths of nonsense about beach towels handcrafted by indonesian child labor, mexican factory produced plastic toys, and so on. The IP hasn't asserted notability. UNless he can do so, the material should not be added. ThuranX (talk) 04:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Added to marketing section. The source information is very strong, and the information is from major marketing effort that was tied into the film. I do not use the products website page as a primary source, but instead use an article from the marketing journal American Time.( To be honest while researching that was originally a primary source) As a secondary source I do use a link to link from Hamilton Watch Company that shows the presence of the watch in the movie, as well as marketing presence in numerous other Marvel movies including both Fantastic Four movies, as well as Spiderman II. I am including the link to primary source and secondary source information. Please help me with a rewrite if needed. The product is no longer for sale, was only for sale while the movie was playing and has long since become a part of movie history. The information is notable for numerous reasons, primarily because it involved the creation of a very specific prop piece that was a integral part of the movies plot. This plot piece was tied into a major marketing campaign. http://www.allbusiness.com/services/museums-art-galleries-botanical-zoological/4359100-1.html http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/webapp/en-us/hamilton/movie-star.aspx User:Wooglins 12:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thing is, I don't think it's really notable, considering it's not like they had a promotional campaign for the watches like movies do with Burger King or McDonald's. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but how was a watch "integral" to the movie's plot? In addition, your first source from AllBusiness.com says nothing of a major promotional campaign. Seems more like product placement to me, which isn't notable IMO. Anakinjmt (talk) 13:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It was "integral" to the plot because the primary character could not tell time without the specially crafted timepiece, that highlighted his heightened sense of touch. It is notable because during the movie the character Matt Murdock (Daredevil) uses a special prop was made by Hamilton specifically for the movie, this was a one of a kind watch.  Below is the quote from the marketing journal that specifically notes the National advertising campaign.   "The tagline in Hamilton's national ads, which features the Daredevil "DD" logo and a large picture of the watch, reads, "When justice needed to be done, Hamilton was there."  I believe it is notable, especially if look at other information in the marketing section that is considered notable such as Kraft, Gameboy Advance, etc. Wooglins (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Then in the sentence with Kraft and Wal-Mart, add "and a marketing campaign with such-and-such a company, who designed the watch Murdock wears in the film." Two sentences or more are not necessary. And your explanation of "integral" is not integral. The movie would not have been radically different if that watch hadn't been there. Be careful not to put too much weight on something this small. This is a minor thing IMO, something that shouldn't need any more than a sentence. Anakinjmt (talk) 13:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the excellent advice. I will make the edit in the way suggested.   That is much more consise. Wooglins (talk) 15:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to offer suggestions. Anakinjmt (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Further, you didn't use the website as a 'secondary source',meaning material written about the subject by a reliable source, using and assessing primary sources, but as a 'second citation', meaning you had one, and added another. The two are different. read WP:RS for more. ThuranX (talk) 20:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link on primary and secondary sources. It is quite helpful, and I appriciate the assistance towards improving content I add on Wikipedia.   I think you will find when I took Anakinjmts' advice I only used a primary source. Wooglins (talk) 21:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, you used only the Secondary Source, as you are expected to. Please read up on that link again, to understand the difference between Primary and Secondary. ThuranX (talk) 21:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the link I needed to read was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Primary.2C_secondary.2C_and_tertiary_sources, and it illuminated the subject well.  It was common sense (should have thought about it), primary being basically eyewitness, secondary being one step removed from primary sources, and tertiary being a compendium of both primary and secondary sources such as an encyclopedia.  Wooglins (talk) 00:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The reboot
Here's some info: Wildroot (talk) 17:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117991696
 * http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5566&Itemid=99

Director's cut - please help get sources
Hey guys, I wanna work on the Director's Cut section but the only sources I keep coming across are reviews. If anyone can help me get sources on the release information (enough to at least cover what's written) it'd be greatly appreciated! -- Harish (Talk) - 23:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The commentary track on the DVD is the best source.–FunkyVoltron talk 11:43, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Length of Cuts
Ok currently on the article the lengths of the cuts are "theatrical 107 min. Director's 127 min.". However I've been on this article in the past and i know that the cits once read 108 theatrical and 138 director's. Also it states at the top that the Director's Cut offered 30 minutes of additional footage. If you do that math based on the current article, it doesn't add up. Also I've seen the theatrical cut and it's 108 minutes. So what happened? I just need some clearification here.MrInhibitor (talk) 03:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually never mind the theatrical cut bit I mentioned above, it's actually 103 minutes and the article has it right. So that leaves my question's of the Director's cut. How is it only 24 minutes longer when it adds over 30 minutes of additional fottage?MrInhibitor (talk) 01:38, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Things were cut from the original version, as well as added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.108.65 (talk) 17:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Right Yampixxx (talk) 00:36, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Elektra is alive
The plot summary is inaccurate. Elektra is alive, as hinted at in the end of the film and shown in the spinoff Elektra. The article says Bullseye killed her.

Jan 2011 Reversion of rights to Marvel discussion
This assertion showed up a few days ago, but I do not believe that this is yet the case. My understanding is Fox had a 7 year option, so they have until the end of the year to produce a new Daredevil movie, or else then they revert. I'm happy to be proved wrong by anyone with a source on this. Otherwise I'm going to schedule this for deletion by Feb 1. Whillice (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Afleck as the new batman
Afleck said he wouldn't don a costume any time soon as noted on the daredevil page. Now afleck is casted as the batman.

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This topic pretty clearly has strong national ties to the US, considering that this is a US-made film. Therefor US customary units are primary, as specified by WP:UNITS and WP:STRONGNAT. I am correcting this. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:44, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

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Planned Connections To Other Marvel Films
Mark Steven Johnson Had Confirmed That In A 2019 Interview With E! News That Sam Spider-Man’ Fox’s Fantastic Four, X-Men, And Ghost Rider Where All In The Same Universe. The Punisher Film And The Blade Trilogy Where Also Part Of This Shared Universe, Hugh Jackman Even Filmed A Cameo For Spider-Man 3 But That Was Cut Due To Fox’s Ownership Of The Movie Rights To The X-Men And This Universe Only Lasted A Few Years Before Being Replaced By The MCU In 2008 2601:5C2:C400:D110:74B0:AC7A:793C:931B (talk) 23:50, 20 February 2023 (UTC)