Talk:Darius Jones (saxophonist)

Suggested biography edits
I am writing to represent Darius Jones, the subject of this page. While we appreciate the original author's contributions to this page, the biography is out of date and includes content that is inaccurate, taken out of context, irrelevant or inappropriate for a public figure. For example, the detail about being raised by Pentecostal grandparents is pulled out of context from an outdated article and should not be included, much less emphasized as the first sentence in a bio for an internationally recognized, professional musician and composer. Please see suggested references below. I am new to wikipedia editing and welcome any feedback or clarification. Thank you. I am happy to write the bio myself but from reading help pages, it doesn't look I should.

ITperson1 (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)


 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

Jones was born in Virginia. He was raised in the Pentecostal faith; both his grandfathers were preachers in their own churches. He learned to play saxophone in the sixth grade; he played in church by the time he was 13. After attending college for several years in Richmond, Virginia, Jones moved to Brooklyn in 2005. Through a neighbor, Jones met artist Randal Wilcox and they became roommates. A conversation started between musician and painter that led to Jones's Man'ish Boy series.

In 2009, he signed with AUM Fidelity, which released his debut album Man'ish Boy (A Raw and Beautiful Thing). He recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, and the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation. Jones has worked in traditional jazz, electro-acoustic music, chamber ensembles, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, modern dance performances, and multi-media events.

Suggested revision:

Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer by embracing individuality and innovation in the tradition of Black music. Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship, Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission, French-American Jazz Exchange Award, and a Fromm Music Foundation commission from Harvard University.

Jones most recent album, FLuXkit Vancouver (its suite but sacred), was named NPR's Ten Best Jazz Albums of 2023 and The 50 Best Albums of 2023. The Wire Magazine's Rewind 2023 issue named FLuXkit Vancouver #1 for Jazz & Improv and #3 for Top Releases 1-50.

Jones debuted as a leader in 2009 with the AUM Fidelity release of Man’ish Boy (A Raw And Beautiful Thing) and received wide acclaim. Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums belonging to a mythological universe invented by Jones. His 2021 release (Northern Spy Records), a solo project titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), is the latest chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology.

Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone. He has been featured in Pitchfork, The Wire, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Downbeat, among others.

Jones graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, earning a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/Composition from New York University. Jones currently teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.

I am writing to represent Darius Jones, the subject of this page. While we appreciate the original author's contributions to this page, the biography is out of date and includes content that is inaccurate, taken out of context, irrelevant or inappropriate for a public figure. For example, the detail about being raised by Pentecostal grandparents is pulled out of context from an outdated article and should not be included, much less emphasized as the first sentence in a bio for an internationally recognized, professional musician and composer. Please see suggested references below. I am new to wikipedia editing and welcome any feedback or clarification. Thank you. I am happy to write the bio myself but from reading help pages, it doesn't look I should.
 * Why it should be changed:

ITperson1 (talk) 04:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Reply 31-DEC-2023

 * Your edit request could not be reviewed because the provided references are not formatted correctly. The citation style predominantly used by the Darius Jones article is Citation Style 1 (CS1). The citation style used in the edit request consists of bare URL's. Any requested edit of yours which may be implemented will need to resemble the current style already in use in the article – in this case, CS1. In the extended section below titled Citation style, I have illustrated two examples: one showing how the edit request was submitted, and another showing how requests should be submitted in the future:

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Regards, Spintendo  06:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Re-submitted request to change bio with corrected citations

 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

Jones was born in Virginia. He was raised in the Pentecostal faith; both his grandfathers were preachers in their own churches. He learned to play saxophone in the sixth grade; he played in church by the time he was 13. After attending college for several years in Richmond, Virginia, Jones moved to Brooklyn in 2005. Through a neighbor, Jones met artist Randal Wilcox and they became roommates. A conversation started between musician and painter that led to Jones's Man'ish Boy series.

In 2009, he signed with AUM Fidelity, which released his debut album Man'ish Boy (A Raw and Beautiful Thing). He recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, and the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation. Jones has worked in traditional jazz, electro-acoustic music, chamber ensembles, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, modern dance performances, and multi-media events.

Suggested revision:

Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer by embracing individuality and innovation in the tradition of Black music. Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship, Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission, French-American Jazz Exchange Award, and a Fromm Music Foundation commission from Harvard University.

Jones most recent album, FLuXkit Vancouver (its suite but sacred), was named NPR's Ten Best Jazz Albums of 2023 and The 50 Best Albums of 2023. The Wire Magazine's Rewind 2023 issue named FLuXkit Vancouver #1 for Jazz & Improv and #3 for Top Releases 1-50.

Jones debuted as a leader in 2009 with the AUM Fidelity release of Man’ish Boy (A Raw And Beautiful Thing) and received wide acclaim. Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums belonging to a mythological universe invented by Jones. His 2021 release (Northern Spy Records), a solo project titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), is the latest chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology.

Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone. He has been featured in Pitchfork, The Wire, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Downbeat, among others.

Jones graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, earning a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/Composition from New York University. Jones currently teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.

I am writing to represent Darius Jones, the subject of this page. While we appreciate the original author's contributions to this page, the biography is out of date and includes content that is inaccurate, taken out of context, irrelevant or inappropriate for a public figure. For example, the detail about being raised by Pentecostal grandparents is pulled out of context from an outdated article and should not be included, much less emphasized as the first sentence in a bio for an internationally recognized, professional musician and composer. Please see suggested references below. I am new to wikipedia editing and welcome any feedback or clarification. Thank you. I am happy to write the bio myself but from reading help pages, it doesn't look I should. ITperson1 (talk) 09:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why it should be changed:

Re-submitted edit request with corrected citations

 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

Jones was born in Virginia. He was raised in the Pentecostal faith; both his grandfathers were preachers in their own churches. He learned to play saxophone in the sixth grade; he played in church by the time he was 13. After attending college for several years in Richmond, Virginia, Jones moved to Brooklyn in 2005. Through a neighbor, Jones met artist Randal Wilcox and they became roommates. A conversation started between musician and painter that led to Jones's Man'ish Boy series.

In 2009, he signed with AUM Fidelity, which released his debut album Man'ish Boy (A Raw and Beautiful Thing). He recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, and the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation. Jones has worked in traditional jazz, electro-acoustic music, chamber ensembles, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, modern dance performances, and multi-media events.

Suggested revision:

Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer by embracing individuality and innovation in the tradition of Black music. Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship, Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission, French-American Jazz Exchange Award, and a Fromm Music Foundation commission from Harvard University.

Jones most recent album, FLuXkit Vancouver (its suite but sacred), co-released by Northern Spy Records and WeJazz was named NPR's Ten Best Jazz Albums of 2023 and The 50 Best Albums of 2023. The Wire Magazine's Rewind 2023 issue named FLuXkit Vancouver #1 for Jazz & Improv and #3 for Top Releases 1-50.

Jones debuted as a leader in 2009 with the AUM Fidelity release of Man'ish Boy (A Raw & Beautiful Thing) and received wide acclaim. Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums belonging to a mythological universe invented by Jones. In 2021, Jones released (on Northern Spy Records) his first solo project titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), the sixth chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology.

Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone. He has been featured in Pitchfork, The Wire, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Downbeat, among others.

Jones graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, earning a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/Composition from New York University. Jones currently teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.

I am writing to represent Darius Jones, the subject of this page. While we appreciate the original author's contributions to this page, the biography is out of date and includes content that is inaccurate and/or taken out of context. For example, the detail about being raised by Pentecostal grandparents is pulled out of context from an outdated article and should not be included, much less emphasized as the first sentence in his bio. Please see suggested references below. I am new to wikipedia editing and welcome any feedback or clarification. Thank you. ITperson1 (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why it should be changed:

Reply 31-DEC-2023
Unfortunately this text is too promotonal sounding, and makes claims that can read as non-specific ("by embracing individuality", etc.) I think it would be important though to describe how the music aligns with the traditions of Black music. If we could find some sources that explain this aspect a bit more, that would be helpful. If you could provide the Wikilinks for these awards, that would help establish their importance in being mentioned. WP:NOTNEWS states "Ensure that Wikipedia articles do not become merely reporters of news. Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons and events. While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news coverage of announcements, events, sports, or celebrities, while sometimes useful, is not by itself a sufficient basis for inclusion of the subject of that coverage (in an article)." Thus, the enduring notability of these awards ought to be considered in order to determine that the awards have sufficient basis for inclusion in Jones' Wikipedia article (the coverage being, specifically, that he received these awards). If these awards have their own Wikipedia pages, then we can add their mentions of Jones having received the awards in Jones' article. This is acceptable. Depending on The Wire and what type of publication that is, this may be acceptable. I have to check. It's not clear what is meant by "debuted as a leader". The source for "wide acclaim" does not contain that assertion within the text. Please double check that source to see if maybe the wrong link was added. It's not clear what is meant by mythological universe. Please elaborate if possible. If this was his first solo project, then it's not clear how this is the "sixth chapter" in this series. Were the other chapters not solo projects? Please clarify. These should also have Wikilinks attached to them. These are WP:NAMEDROPs which should be omitted. This is all perfectly acceptable, although I would change "currently" to read "As of 2023, Jones teaches..." etc., per MOS:CURRENT.
 * Thank you for placing these in CS1, it's much appreciated. Now, some feedback:
 * Please feel free to add below, your clarifications/responses to my feedback. I've placed numbers in the individual sections of proposed text above, so all you need to do is mark each clarification made below with the corresponding number. Once that's done and we've gathered everything together, I can add the new text to the article.
 * When you're ready to proceed with the requested changes/clarifications, kindly change the template's answer parameter to read from y to n. Thank you! Regards,  Spintendo  19:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * 1. Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer in the traditions of Black music, avant garde music and experimental music.
 * 2. Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship (New York Community Trust), Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission (from Roulette Intermedium), a French-American Jazz Exchange Award , and a Fromm Foundation commission from Harvard University.
 * 4. The Wire Magazine's Rewind (The Wire) 2023 issue named FLuXkit Vancouver #1 for Jazz & Improv and #3 for Top Releases 1-50
 * 5. Jones released Man'ish Boy (A Raw & Beautiful Thing), his debut album as a leader in 2009 with AUM Fidelity and received wide acclaim.
 * 6. Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums and compositional works that all belong to a larger conceptual project, a mythology or fictional world invented by Jones, called the Man'ish Boy Universe, and further illustrated in album artwork and titles.
 * 7. The sixth chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology was released in 2021 on Northern Spy Records. Titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), this was also Jones' first solo saxophone project.
 * 8. Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone.
 * 9. Omit
 * 10. Jones graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, earning a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/Composition from New York University. As of 2023, Jones teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.
 * Thank you! I hope I did this right. I did not anticipate this would be so labor intensive, and sincerely appreciate your help. I am not sure about the Edit COI instruction. But I will try to figure it out.
 * ITperson1 (talk) 00:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Well I thank you for your efforts, they're much appreciated. Following up on The Wire publication, I checked with WP:A/S — according to them its' a good source, so I think we can include their Rewind Issue's naming of FLuXkit Vancouver to two of their yearly accolades. I'm stepping out for a bit for New Year's Eve, but I will get to the rest  as soon as I get back in a few hours. I'm setting the template back to answered so we can have a zero queue balance for the beginning of the year at midnight, but I will reactivate it shortly thereafter (even though it's really not necessary at this point in the review). Regards,  Spintendo  05:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Just checking on progress. I don’t mean to rush you I just hope I didn’t do anything to disrupt process. I saw something that said I was blocked. I am not sure why, but thanks for your help. ITperson1 (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

Jones was born in Virginia. He was raised in the Pentecostal faith; both his grandfathers were preachers in their own churches. He learned to play saxophone in the sixth grade; he played in church by the time he was 13. After attending college for several years in Richmond, Virginia, Jones moved to Brooklyn in 2005. Through a neighbor, Jones met artist Randal Wilcox and they became roommates. A conversation started between musician and painter that led to Jones's Man'ish Boy series.

In 2009, he signed with AUM Fidelity, which released his debut album Man'ish Boy (A Raw and Beautiful Thing). He recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, and the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation. Jones has worked in traditional jazz, electro-acoustic music, chamber ensembles, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, modern dance performances, and multi-media events.

Suggested revision:

Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer in the traditions of Black music, avant garde music and experimental music. . Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship (New York Community Trust), Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission (from Roulette Intermedium), a French-American Jazz Exchange Award , and a Fromm Foundation commission from Harvard University.

Jones most recent album, fLuXkit Vancouver (its suite but sacred), co-released by Northern Spy Records and WeJazz was named NPR's Ten Best Jazz Albums of 2023 and The 50 Best Albums of 2023. The Wire Magazine's Rewind (The Wire) 2023 issue named fLuXkit Vancouver #1 for Jazz & Improv and #3 for Top Releases 1-50.

Jones released Man'ish Boy (A Raw & Beautiful Thing), his debut album as a leader in 2009 with AUM Fidelity and received wide acclaim. . Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums and compositional works that all belong to a larger conceptual project, a mythology or fictional world invented by Jones, called the Man'ish Boy Universe, and further illustrated in album artwork and titles.

The sixth chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology, titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), was released in 2021 on Northern Spy Records. This was also Jones' first solo saxophone project. .

Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone.

Jones graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, earning a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/ Composition from New York University. As of 2023, Jones teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.

I am writing to represent Darius Jones, the subject of this page. While we appreciate the original author's contributions to this page, the biography is out of date and includes content that is inaccurate and/or taken out of context. For example, the detail about being raised by Pentecostal grandparents is pulled out of context from an outdated article and should not be included, much less emphasized as the first sentence in his bio. Please see suggested references below. I am new to wikipedia editing and welcome any feedback or clarification. Thank you. ITperson1 (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why it should be changed:

ITperson1 (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


 * A majority of the requested changes are currently written in a promotional tone. Please review WP:Neutral point of view and ensure you follow this before submitting any edit requests. —  FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they)   ( talk ) 03:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Re-submitted edit request for bio

 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

Jones was born in Virginia. He was raised in the Pentecostal faith; both his grandfathers were preachers in their own churches. He learned to play saxophone in the sixth grade; he played in church by the time he was 13. After attending college for several years in Richmond, Virginia, Jones moved to Brooklyn in 2005. Through a neighbor, Jones met artist Randal Wilcox and they became roommates. A conversation started between musician and painter that led to Jones's Man'ish Boy series.

In 2009, he signed with AUM Fidelity, which released his debut album Man'ish Boy (A Raw and Beautiful Thing). He recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, and the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation. Jones has worked in traditional jazz, electro-acoustic music, chamber ensembles, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, modern dance performances, and multi-media events.

Suggested revision:

Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer in the traditions of Black music, avant garde music and experimental music. . Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship (New York Community Trust), Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission (from Roulette Intermedium), a French-American Jazz Exchange Award , and a Fromm Foundation commission from Harvard University.

Jones most recent album, fLuXkit Vancouver (-i-t-s- suite but sacred), co-released by Northern Spy Records and WeJazz was named NPR's Ten Best Jazz Albums of 2023 and The 50 Best Albums of 2023. The Wire Magazine's Rewind (The Wire) 2023 issue named fLuXkit Vancouver #1 for Jazz & Improv and #3 for Top Releases 1-50.

Jones released Man'ish Boy (A Raw & Beautiful Thing), his debut album as a leader in 2009 with AUM Fidelity and received wide acclaim. . Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums and compositional works that all belong to a larger conceptual project, a mythology or fictional world invented by Jones, called the Man'ish Boy Universe, and further illustrated in album artwork and titles.

The sixth chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology, titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), was released in 2021 on Northern Spy Records. This was also Jones' first solo saxophone project. .

Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone.

Jones graduated from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, earning a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/ Composition from New York University. As of 2023, Jones teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.

I am writing to represent Darius Jones, the subject of this page. While we appreciate the original author's contributions to this page, the biography is out of date and includes content that is inaccurate and/or taken out of context. For example, the detail about being raised by Pentecostal grandparents is pulled out of context from an outdated article and should not be included, much less emphasized as the first sentence in his bio. Please see suggested references below. I am new to wikipedia editing and welcome any feedback or clarification. Thank you. ITperson1 (talk) 18:33, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Why it should be changed:

ITperson1 (talk) 00:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

ITperson1 (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2024 (UTC)


 * A majority of the requested changes are currently written in a promotional tone. Please review WP:Neutral point of view and ensure you follow this before submitting any edit requests. —  FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they)   ( talk ) 04:01, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I was already working with an experienced editor who made suggestions for citations and neutrality and after making those corrections, he said that everything was correctly done and planned to make the suggested edits. I can also cite a number of other wikipedia pages for other artists that are very similar in tone, and still others that truly are promotional in tone. I'm not sure how any of this is promotional. This is an informational page. It is a bio for a public figure. ITperson1 (talk) 05:30, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, I have read WP:Neutral POV and made changes to my editing suggestions, submitted below. ITperson1 (talk) 17:43, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Would it be by possible to let me know why the instructions I have followed haven’t been successful in updating this bio? Really just trying to reach a level of currency and accuracy. Is there someone who can help me? To my knowledge, I have followed all instructions from three different editors. I have used other Wikipedia entries as models. I am not sure how to proceed. Thank you. ITperson1 (talk) 03:43, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

see previous (edit bio re-submitted)

 * What I think should be changed (include citations):

Jones was born in Virginia. He was raised in the Pentecostal faith; both his grandfathers were preachers in their own churches. He learned to play saxophone in the sixth grade; he played in church by the time he was 13. After attending college for several years in Richmond, Virginia, Jones moved to Brooklyn in 2005. Through a neighbor, Jones met artist Randal Wilcox and they became roommates. A conversation started between musician and painter that led to Jones's Man'ish Boy series.

In 2009, he signed with AUM Fidelity, which released his debut album Man'ish Boy (A Raw and Beautiful Thing). He recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, and the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation. Jones has worked in traditional jazz, electro-acoustic music, chamber ensembles, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, modern dance performances, and multi-media events.

Suggested revision:

Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer in the traditions of Black music, avant garde music and experimental music.

Jones graduated in 2003 from Virginia Commonwealth University with a Bachelor of Music in Jazz Studies, and in 2007 earned a Master of Arts in Jazz Performance/ Composition from New York University. Jones has recorded with Matthew Shipp, the quartet Grass Roots, the collective Little Women, a noise jazz band that explores the extremes of sound by using extended techniques and acoustic manipulation, among others. Jones has composed for and worked on projects in new music, contemporary and avant-garde jazz groups, chamber ensembles, modern dance performance, multi-media and more.

In addition to his album recordings, Jones has presented and performed major compositional works throughout the United States and Canada. Jones was the inaugural Artist-in-Residence and curator for the 2022 MATA Festival.

Jones most recent album, fLuXkit Vancouver (-i-t-s- suite but sacred), was co-released in 2023 by Northern Spy Records and WeJazz.

Jones released Man'ish Boy (A Raw & Beautiful Thing), his debut album as a leader in 2009 with AUM Fidelity. Man'ish Boy was the first of a nine-part series of albums and compositional works that all belong to a larger conceptual project, a mythology or fictional world invented by Jones, called the Man'ish Boy Universe, and further illustrated in album artwork and titles.

The sixth chapter in the Man'ish Boy mythology, titled Raw Demoon Alchemy (a lone operation), was released in 2021 on Northern Spy Records. This was also Jones' first solo saxophone project.

As of 2023, Jones teaches in the College of Performing Arts and Contemporary Music at The New School.

Awards
Jones was a JJA Jazz Awards finalist nominee for Alto Saxophonist of the Year in 2022 and the 2019 Downbeat Annual Critics Poll winner for Rising Star Alto Saxophone. Jones has been awarded the Van Lier Fellowship (New York Community Trust), Jerome Foundation Artist-in-Residence and commission (from Roulette Intermedium), a French-American Jazz Exchange Award , and a Fromm Foundation commission from Harvard University.

see previous editing requests. Would appreciate some traction on multiple efforts to have inaccurate, outdated bio edited. I have made good faith efforts and done a lot of the heavy lifting to create citations, etc. I am more than enthusiastic about having someone else work on this. Thank you, any efforts beyond rejecting the editing suggestions are greatly appreciated.
 * Why it should be changed:

ITperson1 (talk) 06:33, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks as if content was changed from the time I was reviewing it till now. I had asked for clarifications and rewrites. Some of these rewrites raised more questions (Darius Jones has created a recognizable voice as a critically acclaimed saxophonist and composer in the traditions of Black music, avant garde music and experimental music. which does not state accrding to whom it is critically acclaimed). Another editor has since taken a look at this request and has opined that it was written in a promotional tone. To the requesting COI editor: other editors are allowed to do this, to step in and offer their suggestions, and to make decisions based on their review of the request. In deference to FenrisAureus, if they could give a few examples of what was promotional, then we could try to resolve their concerns (as well as mine with the quoted statement above.) Regards, Spintendo  15:32, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response. This wasn’t changed after you last commented. While the critical acclaim is cited throughout the rest of the article, it is perfectly fine to change the first sentence to “Darius Jones is a saxophonist and composer in the tradition of…etc.” We are really hopeful that the bio can finally be updated. After FenrisAureus denied the request and I read the articles that they suggested, I submitted a new request that has not received a response. ITperson1 (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In addition to the promotional tone concerns detailed above – before implementing any edit requests, please check for copyright issues (e.g., from here or here). Unless/until the Volunteer Response Team verifies that such text has been released by the copyright holder into the public domain or under a compatibly free license, it can't be used. DanCherek (talk) 22:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The promotional tone concerns were addressed but have not been looked at. The bio on the New School’s website is from the artist’s website. The New School does not hold copyright on the bio. I’m unclear about what text from the second link you included is a copyright issue or what is being claimed as borrowed from that site. I still don’t really understand or have an answer about what is preventing us from making this bio accurate and updated. And I am not sure who to ask for help. I can point to several other artist bios and say with confidence that the final editing suggestions I have made are significantly less promotional. I’ve also stated I’m willing to make whatever changes are necessary. But at this point I’ve heard from four different editors, have followed all of the instructions, and have not really had my concerns/questions answered. The process is starting to feel unfair to the artist and anyone making a sincere effort to correct the information. If someone can provide me with information about how I can have this addressed, I would really appreciate it. ITperson1 (talk) 22:55, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And, it should be worth noting that the edit I suggested for changing the first sentence bio is significantly different from the New School bio you referenced (which was, in turn, written by the artist…) ITperson1 (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You're almost there. I can rewrite the promotional language, but you still need to source several items. See the "citation needed" tags I added for you.  STEM info  (talk) 00:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I rewrote your suggested content to make it more encyclopedic. I added some sources to the unsourced info. I removed the unsourced narrative about the nine part Man'ish Boy project, and didn't include the awards, since their sourcing isn't independent. You'll need sourcing showing that each award is notable, not just links to the sites that awarded them. Proving their existence isn't the problem. Hopefully this is starting to make sense now.  STEM info  (talk) 06:46, 7 February 2024 (UTC)