Talk:Dark 2-step

Please improve this article

 * "Another distinctive feature of dark 2-step is bass, which is said to be scattered, and is said to be one of the main elements of dark 2-step track."
 * what does that mean? in any case your source refers to woodblocks and handclaps 'scattered' throughout the percussion, not the bass.


 * "Dark 2-step tracks often have treble effect"
 * again, what does that mean?
 * also, no personal attack is intended, but the english, the way it is written, needs improvement. i would attempt to improve the article, but i have no doubt you would revert me, User:Yaneleksklus aka 86.57.*.* aka 93.85.*.* --Kaini (talk) 21:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * martin 'blackdown' clark's take on this whole debate:
 * hey kaini
 * this seems a little extreme and i'll stay out of the formalities of the wiki inner workings: that's your domain. but i can say this on the musical angle.
 * whenever one new genre evolves out of another, as dubstep did out of UK garage/2step, there's a period when something new is definitely going on but it's unclear what one name will be used for it.
 * "nu dark swing" was one such term proposed by kode9 in 2000/01 ish yet it didn't go on to be the final genre name. while it does have resonances with the early era of dubstep (swing connects it back to 2step garage), it isn't a separate genre to dubstep.
 * that help at all?
 * not citable material, but definitely something worth bearing in mind considering he's been tirelessly documenting the scene for years. --Kaini (talk) 21:45, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal

 * is the point to move info about "nu dark swing" into the start of the History section at Dubstep article, ie merge dark 2-step with dubstep --True Steppa (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * i would prefer to merge it with 2-step garage instead, the dubstep article is plenty long as it is already. clark is referencing people already mentioned in the dubstep article - oris jay, steve gurley, horsepower... actually i have a kickass loop to demonstrate this sound which will make the 2-step article x1000 better and maybe help link the 2-step article with the dubstep one. even before yanelek's edits, the two were a little disjointed and clunky, as regards each other --Kaini (talk)
 * yeh, maybe you're right. i mean this is proto-dubstep so we need to link it.. main thing is that "nu dark swing" isn't the stuff for an individual article --True Steppa (talk) 00:05, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ...well, i believe you and i have crossed swords about 'dark garage' in the past - i don't think that is worthy of an article either. but this thugstep, nintendub, nu dark swing nonsense needs to stop. my attitude on this article at the moment is 'improve now, merge later'. it is an area that deserves more mention in the 2-step garage area, for sure. i added that loop too :) --Kaini (talk) 00:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Considering the merge proposal is now formal,
 * I support this merge, as it will serve to improve the 2-step garage article, and the existence of 'dark garage' or 'dark 2-step' as a genre in its own right is highly questionable. There aren't really any clearly demarcated lines that say where one mutation ends and another begins, so I believe that the best strategy is to focus on improving 2-step garage to GA criteria instead of splintering the content across a pile of stubs or near-stubs.
 * There's been much debate on this talk page, as well as that of 2-step garage and dubstep about this already, with WP:RS and WP:V being the main concerns. --Kaini (talk) 00:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)