Talk:Dark Horse (Katy Perry song)/Archive 1

"Dark Horse" single art
I found the single art for "Dark Horse" from this Brazilian website and it does not state anywhere that it is fan-made (I know because I'm Brazilian myself)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.13.205.72 (talk) 19:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Redundancies
One does not need to list/mention the song's genres twice in a song article. Simply mentioning them in the "composition" section is sufficient. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 17:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:LEDE in regards to this. " The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects... The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points". Surely a genre of a song is pretty important for mentioning in the lead section. You are of course free to remove it from anywhere else in the article where you find that it has been repeated and thanks for that. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 17:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * In that case, what about having it in simply the lead and not "composition" section? XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 18:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Because the lead is not a section, it's a summary of the whole article! — Tomíca (T2ME) 18:35, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That doesn't exactly answer how it would be to simply list genres in lead only..... XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 19:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It does explain but you are chosing not to read I believe. It says that it is a summary of the important aspects of the article, as explained by, and having a genre of the song or the writers and producers is an important aspect. So it is present. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 06:33, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No, you've likely misread- suggestion was to only include in lead and not in other sections. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 14:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry no. The lead is not a section of the article. Any information present in the lead will be present in the article body as well. I suggest you follow this in other articles you edit too. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat ] 15:08, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

in the interest of not sparking a stupid edit war on the grime thing
All right, folks, Massively Simplified Genre Rundowns 101: Grime is a British hip-hop genre that is, while not "niche" exactly, pretty UK-centric and not the subject of a major US crossover. Trap is, especially in the past year or so when "trap" stopped meaning Southern rap and started meaning electro dudes (think "Harlem Shake"), and given that Katy Perry's schtick in general and on Prism is the pop schtick of enveloping genres that just hit critical mass into pop songs, it's pretty clear that combining trap with pop is the entire point of the song. (Plus the video: Memphis, Tennessee! Except as a high-concept pop thing! It's not subtle at all.)

So anyway, there's a comment saying there are multiple reliable secondary sources for all the genres, but there really aren't any that suggest grime has anything whatsoever to do with this song (which makes sense, because it doesn't, this is common sense). I found exactly two: [|an offhand reference in Jezebel], which isn't a music criticism site, was in a blurb that was probably written in like 5 minutes (that isn't a slam on Jezebel, just the nature of Gawker's paragraph-long external-link blurbs) and which is mostly about a Vin Diesel gif; and this [|actually really fascinating] piece in Dazed Digital whose only mention of "grime" comes from an offhand reference to a "post-grime" artist (as anyone who reads music reviews knows, post-X can mean basically anything) whose song was released at more or less the exact same time as Prism, meaning there couldn't have been any influence even if you want to suggest Katy Perry or Dr. Luke or whoever is really up on the XLR8R producer beat. And then the article goes on to say that "Dark Horse" is "a great pop song that happens to draw from trap music" and go into great detail on that.

If anyone has literally any other sources on the grime thing, please do share them, because I'm not convinced they exist outside taking things out of context. (Inside taking things out of context, it's too dark to see?) Katherineonwiki (talk) 14:50, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll remove it from the genres in infobox for now due to lack of proper sourcing. The person you really should consult for the "grime" genre is (CA)Giacobbe, who insisted on its inclusion. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 14:57, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Diamond
Katy Perry rides her 'Dark Horse' to music history

Fireworks and Dark Horse are diamond now

83.137.1.205 (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The certifications have been implemented already into both this and the "Firework" article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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What about the false symbols in the video clip?
This article does not mention the one eyed symbols, the ancient Egyptian deities and the symbolism of this video clip. Where are the bacground theories about this clip? There are some videos showing some conteo contents in connections with this video. Maybe conteo is just a way of thinking, but maybe it deserves some sentences. I know it is not scientific view but the symbolism of this clip should be mentioned.--Porbóllett (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Ok, I am just joke. I watched a conteo video on the internet and that makes me to ask these questions. I know that the Eye of Horus is an ancient symbol and it can not be disambiguated with the Eye of Providence which originates from the christian times.--Porbóllett (talk) 07:42, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Peak Spain
I changed the peak of Spain because Dark Horse peaked in 9, no 4. The reference is the same since the source provided already stated that her peak was 9, the correction was made in order to make the information match the source