Talk:Dark Reign (comics)

Sinister Spider-Man
I'm wondering why I was tagged for vandalizing the page. I changed the link for the sinister Spider-Man section to the Dark Reign subset, since it currently tries to go to a part of the page labelled "The Sinister Spider-Man" where no such section exists, only the Dark Reign section. I don't see how that's vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.123.36.38 (talk) 02:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Present tense
Before another revert happens, I altered the article copy to present tense to match the method of style used in other comic book events such as 52 (comic book) and Countdown to Final Crisis.  Hazardous   Matt   22:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

No! Just because another article looks a certain way doesn't justify an edit. One article could be entirely wrong. That doesn't make it correct. Present tense obviously refers to something taking place in the present. Past tense is simply appropriate in terms of writing this type of article plot. Cheers dude (talk) 22:47, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WikiProject_Comics/editorial_guidelines The method of style is present tense according to the governing project.  Hazardous   Matt   22:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough! Cheers dude (talk) 23:04, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Diabolical applications of spelling and grammar
I'm creating an account tonight to deal with this – that's how bad it is. Atrocious! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.167.112 (talk) 15:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I hear you on that one. It looks like a 6 year old wrote portions of this article. Timmyfitz161 (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Death of Crusader?
Sorry boys and girls. Crusader has a piece of the Cosmic Cube around his finger and he disappeared, so anyone saying he is dead is just speculating. Timmyfitz161 (talk) 21:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it's no more speculating than he isn't dead. The fact remains in the comics his last appearance was his death, so until he comes back (even if we all know he will), he died. It's speculation to say he will come back, not that he died.24.190.34.219 (talk) 00:11, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Different Marvel event
Although this event is different than say Civil War or House of M, it by no means is special. It is a similar type of event of say Decimation or The Initiative as it is a banner type of event. So I think we should to take out the words "Unlike Marvel's major events of the previous five years" because this event is no different than the other ones which came before it. Thejka (talk) 11:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Second Captain America
In the Dark Reign page it calls the Bucky the second Captain America when he is the at leasted the ninth or tenth Captain America In the main Marvel universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.203.85 (talk) 11:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


 * For the various Captain Americas see Captain America (set index). (Emperor (talk) 15:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC))

Help
Can someone please shore this thing up? It is like connecting the dots from point to point. Would someone who has been following Dark Reign organize this better, possibly? Possibly set events under the their title? I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm just saying. But this subject is has great explanation. If I was trying to jump on a title, this tells me enough that it is easier, so thank you. Timmyfitz161 (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

-I can. EDIT: I stated it. Next patrs will be added soon


 * It'd also be wise to keep the text here pretty tight - there is no core series here like Secret Invasion and the relevant bits of the story are told on the relevant articles for characters/titles. All we really need here is an overview touching on the key points and how the larger event progresses - there is no need to restate plot from a dozen titles. Possibly set it out by breaking it down to the start and set-up, then the progression and ultimately the end and aftermath. (Emperor (talk) 15:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC))

It would be nice, if someone would not paste every comics previev's text he found to the article - they are inobiective, and untrustwothy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.77.40 (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The poster above me is clearly the one writing the bulk of the text in the plot summary, because the bonkers spelling and grammar inconsistencies are just as poor. Is a spellcheck too much to ask? I'll change everything for the better, but from past experiences editing Marvel titles, I know that if I start cutting the wheat from the chaff the fanboys are going to gun me down and change everything back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.167.112 (talk) 11:23, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm in the process of re-working the whole article but this version is so cruft-filled it's easier to do off-line. Check back in a couple of days (It's taking me so long because there is so much content to edit and play with). --Cameron Scott (talk) 11:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Well...this has sure made the article more popular... Aidoflight (talk) 23:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Dark Reign
I know this might really border upon speculation, but just a question: is dark reign confirmed to be only a storyline, a limited series? I mean, does it have a definite conclusion to itself, like the Civil War? Aidoflight (talk) 00:14, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

No. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.74.249 (talk) 19:30, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Wandalism
Whoever tries to clear almost everything on thuis page is an wandal - please don't do it anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.21.71.72 (talk) 19:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

SERIOUSLY< PLEASE STOP CLEARING IT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tales'es Hood (talk • contribs) 19:47, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

We just don't write plot summaries of that length, that's why the IP removed it and why I agree with him. Sure people can revert it for a bit but the article will be cleaned up - expanding the plot section is a waste of time as most of that content is going to be wiped sooner or later. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:51, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, but not to a shape, where there's NO SINGLE IMPORTANT INFORMATION about the event. Everything you left are just worthless trashes - it would be better to delete whole article instead! - Tales&#39;es Hood (talk) 20:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, so now there's nothing but the most basic things. If you delete most of the comics series, with the most important one - Dark Avengers - why left New Avengers, that isn't so important, and some untrusthworty announcments from Marvel? Let just seize it all to iformations from first one shot. Also, I will add plot in some other form, more toreliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tales'es Hood (talk • contribs) 20:08, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

expansions
I'd actually planned to re-write the article off-line but the recent em.. events have forced my hand slightly. I added each of the mini-sections as exemplar - so we write a couple of lines about each and branch off to the main articles? which has already been discussed here and at the comic project. Comments? Cameron Scott (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm - I thin idea i'd get yesterday woul be better - instead of writting about series, lets write about Norman's allies and enemies, like Hood, Iron Man, Spider-Man or Ares, and add to each other about his or hers actions. It would look like that:

Dr. Doom - Though Osborn helped Victor von Doom in many ways - fries him from the prison, helped regain his kingdom, and saved from Morgan le Fay, Doom has no lolyalty to him. Osborn dosn't know, that he had formed secretly alliances with Namor, Loki and Dracula, hoping, that when Osborn will fall, he will take over the world. Doom's first thought after end of first Cabal meeting was about killing or enslaving all of them in near future. Doom was also the one who almost killed Black Panther, when he rejecter a chair among the Cabal.

And we should add chapter about continuitty and reading order Tales&#39;es Hood (talk) 11:35, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

It's completely in-universe, we don't write like that. In addition, if we did that for every character involved, we'd end up with same over-detailed plot that we originally had. What happens in the comics is secondary to us, we are more interested in who wrote them, what the critical reaction was, the writer intent, the promotion activity etc etc. --Cameron Scott (talk) 12:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * So we could do it this way too - add to each character his role, what writers will write him, in wich coure they want to take him, and what's the fandom's rection. Like "Hood is playing during Dark Reign major villain role in both New Avengers and Punisher - in the first writer Brian Bendis explores dark sides of Parker's relationship with Dormammu, during his quest to become new Sorrcerer Supreme, and Rick Reemeder in second makes him looking like a classic, gangster figure. Hood will also get his own mini-series,"Dark Reign: the Hood" written by Jeff Parker, in his familly relationship will be explored." - Could it be this way? Tales&#39;es Hood (talk) 13:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and we will add only most important characters - member of Cabals, Dark Avengers, and New Avengers, Iron Man, Deadpool, and about rest said something shor in some "Others" category, in this way: "Another enemies of Osborn are Songbird and Doctor Samson, wich both get undercover after Osborn decided to eliminate Melissa and framed Samson in tryig to kill Barack Obama" or "It was annouce, that during "American Son" storyline in the Amazing Spider-man, Osborn will try to make his son, Harry, new member of his Dark Avengers". Tales&#39;es Hood (talk) 13:56, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Something like that would be better but it still needs to be split in some way so it's not just a big jumble of text. --Cameron Scott (talk) 13:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * We could split it the way you split the series. It's try it, we'll se and decide, ok? Tales&#39;es Hood (talk) 14:00, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes I suspect a section on the key characters would be worth it as some (like the Cabal members and some of the Dark Avengers who replace their counterparts in their own series - Ms Marvel, Wolverine, etc.) crossover into a number of titles, stitching the storyline together - Dr Doom also crops up in Captain Britain and MI13 helping kick off the storyline there. I'd suggest a good rule of thumb would be: Can their story be covered under one series heading?


 * Also worth noting that I am pretty sure Agents of Atlas is an ongoing series, using the event as a springboard, but check first. (Emperor (talk) 14:28, 5 May 2009 (UTC))

I'm afraid that some of the recent attentions are unclear to me:

1) Bendis describes him as a "bastard need for safety" - this quote doesn't seem to make any sense?

2) Compares him to "Paul McCarty" ?????? Who? Is it meant to be paul mccartney? (which still doesn't make any sense)?

3) The hood is a "geed"? what's a geed? --Cameron Scott (talk) 14:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

^^ Cameron, It's the mad guy with the insane license on spelling and grammar that continues to add close-to-incomprehensible copy. He actually deleted the last comment I made concerning this within the very discussion. The page as it is now is slightly surreal, though – suddenly we're given mini bios on the key players – has has this ever been standard wiki fare? No other comic series or event has been put together like this, and you can't just appease one fanboy if it's inconsistent.... humbug! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.167.112 (talk) 15:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Dark Reign: Young Avengers
Dark Reign: Young Avengers is a limited series ... is there a reason it's not in the 'limited series' portion of the article? I'm not entirely sure why it's missing - is there a specific reason? -- A talk / contribs 02:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Nobody got round to writing about? :-) --Cameron Scott (talk) 09:05, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep, there are quite a few not covered, yet. It is a time thing really. So if someone sees a gap then go for it, but try to keep it brief and add some in-universe material if you can (there are plenty of interviews to draw from. (Emperor (talk) 13:02, 25 May 2009 (UTC))


 * Oh, wow. Okay. Thanks for taking care of it - I was right about to do it before I pondered on the talk page, but you guys got ahead of me. Great job. -- A talk / contribs 20:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The "Involved but not listed" section
I am removing most of the issues listed in here, seeing as just because Norman Osborn is in the book shouldnt imply it is involved as it is somewhat misleading. I will leave the core titles such as Avengers etc. and also the ones with storylines leading into the Siege (comics) crossover or the titles that just came out at Dark Reign, otherwise its gone. By the "not listed" ones means those that simply do not have the "Dark Reign" banner on top of cover. If people wish to revamp the whole system of classifying the Dark Reign tie-ins send me a message, but I ain't doing it on my own and then have everything deleted. I will however be more than happy to sort this out especially now that "Dark Reign" is close to finish. Ermol (talk) 20:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The Dark Reign saga unlike the majority of events published by Marvel, it has far reaching involvement and consequences on the whole marvel universe. I have been one of the supporters expanding the list.  I have been a big supporter especially of the Incredible Hulk inclusion.  I have even added some that are still up there like "Timestorm 2009-2099 #4" and "Thunderbolts #126-127".  I came to the conclusion that these comics should be added through many months of going through many internet sits and reading many comics (Dark Reign and other Marvel events) which developed the idea to expand the list.
 * While I have to agree that the main focus of the Dark Reign saga has been the banner comics and heavily influenced Norman Osborn, Dark Avengers, Thunderbolts, Hammer,Secret Invasion reaction and Cabal issues. As well, there is a weak story line, a passage of time and events. This is not your normal comic event, my evidence lies at the top of the article "Joe Quesada, editor-in-chief of Marvel Comics, stated that Dark Reign is not really "an event; it's whats happening in the Marvel Universe".  The Dark Reign Saga is a major event, not just a major event reactionary, banner event like The Initiative or Decimation, there are real consequences to what happens with the banner titles like "Zodiac",  Norman still having to deal with him.  This event was a net casted wide over the marvel universe which allowed major things to happen, but allowed the writers and artist to take a deeper lot to how the main focuses are effecting the world and allow them to take apart the marvel world as we know it and to add some new or fun concepts to play with. Even the idea of an end with the Siege story line is hog wash, the only fine line between the two is that the Siege is more focused on the story line, the ideas and concepts of the Dark Reign are still there. Last November you stated that the event was over, but still marvel is publishing is publishing comics with heavily influenced Norman Osborn, Thunderbolts, Dark Avengers,Secret Invasion reaction and Hammer, in issues that do not have a connection to the Siege story line, such as "S.W.O.R.D #4" or the current arch in "Spider Woman".
 * I believe that what the people at Marvel were trying to take what they do best and bring it outside of the box. That the Dark Reign Saga is the cumulation of not only of the last few years, but the commulation, the point on the needle, of many ideas/event in marvels past. That the Siege even is not the conclusion, but the climax, focusing it all down to one point. So as the fan who  want to explain it to others you need to reference comics that heavily reference the Dark Reign Saga, e.g "Wolverine Weapon X #4-5". We need to reference the comics tie in Dark Reign issue to help give an understanding of what is going on in the Marvel Universe. Even the comic issues where just the presence, and no contact with, the main focuses: N.o., D.A.,T.B.,S.I. reaction The Cable, and Hammer, in the marvel universe shapes the actions of the charterers, e.g "Daredevil #501-504" (Suggestion : 24/7 story arch of Amazing Spider-man).
 * To pull back a little I am not suggesting that we go out and just put all of the comics that marvel published in the past 14 months in this list, nor should we put an issue where the main focuses are a flash on a page e.g. "New Mutants #5", "Captain America #48" or "Torch #8". I would also have to say that some of the comics that are have the main focuses and/or heavily influenced belong with their respective event e.g. Skarr- Son of Hulk - Planet Skarr event. Vashdog (talk) 4:17, 27 February (EST)

Hulk mislabeling
Just noticed in the list of titles in dark reign you had Hulk volume 4 mislabeled as v2...the one that is in the 600s is v2. v1 lasted 6 issues back in 1962, v2 started when the split book Hulk was in after v1 got renamed Hulk, v3 started in 1999, and v4 is the godawful Red Hulk thing written by Loeb that's up to issue 17 or so by now. v2 and v3 have flip-flopped between the titles "Hulk" and "Incredible Hulk" over the years and so both titles are considered the same thing (like Thor/Mighty Thor, Iron Man/Invincible Iron Man, and Action/Action Comics) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.162.208 (talk) 23:20, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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