Talk:Dark Souls (video game)

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Sources are inaccurate
I have removed a portion that was made with several lies in order to make the game appear to be more popular than it was. The "sales" figure that was quoted of 2.3 million had absolutely zero sources for that. One place published it, but it wasn't actually an article. They were saying that someone that was at something told them that figure. That's very different than the company reporting that number. http://www.vgchartz.com/game/47349/dark-souls/ That is much more reliable, and places the number at 1.8. Darksouls was also reported in this article as an indie game in order to take advantage of a ranking system setup. The setup was also made so that it did not take into account actual indie games. 76.123.173.210 (talk) 21:20, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Head of From Software, Eiichi Nakajima, stated the 2.3 million number himself. It's clearly stated within the the article cited. I don't know how much more accurate you can get than that. And, nowhere is it reported that it is an Indie game either, Indie games are listed within the article being cited but the most played Windows PC games are also listed within the article, which is what DS is in fact. Also as a side-note, VGChartz was determined under consensus by the project to be a highly unreliable source for sales data and blacklisted I believe. As such, I have reverted your deletion. DrNegative (talk) 02:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Controversy Section
Although funny, it's not really appropriate for a Wikipedia article. 24.237.72.151 (talk) 06:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Street date break
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-21-dark-souls-dev-punishing-early-birds Good for a dev/release section. Axem Titanium (talk) 02:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Much Expansion Needed
Talk about brief. What about multiplayer gameplay, development etc. etc. etc. Just because this isn't CoD or something, that doesn't mean it isn't a AAA, critically acclaimed title! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.64.76 (talk) 17:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * A lot of the editors who would be expanding this article are probably busy playing it, it'll flesh out in time. Someoneanother 17:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's been 6 years now and the development section is still just a paragraph or so long, most of which is dedicated to the PC port rather then the initial development of the original game, a bit disappointing to see considering how influential this game has become over the years. I think the we've had enough time to finish the game by now.81.103.122.41 (talk) 01:20, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, this page is pretty awful for a such an influential and discussed game. However, I've looked in the past and haven't really found that much on the development history of it; most articles about the game only discuss its legacy or famed difficulty. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 01:56, 11 September 2017 (UTC) ~  Dissident93  ( talk ) 01:56, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Cameos
I've heard that Seath the Scaleless and one other character in the game are from King's Field, and I've seen Patches the Hyena (from Demon's Souls) appear. Should these be mentioned somewhere? --TacticianJ (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

PC Version Section
After the brief, small scale edit war (see the article's history) over "speculation" being added to the PC Version section, I felt I should point out that a single speculative statement added to a section does not warrant deleting the entire section. If we can't be civil and logical about this, everybody will lose once the article needs to be protected to some degree due to constant reversions and opinionated speculation over whether or not speculation about speculation in fact has a speculative place on Wikiepdia. I'm sorry if I sound like I'm being obtuse, but the fact of the matter is - a very large number of gaming news sites reported the forthcoming announcement and the rumor of its purpose, and Wikipedia has a number of articles with no such sources for rumors that are kept in them for much longer. I am not going to judge whether or not the announcement's rumored ties to the PC port is worthy of inclusion as I see it as a sourced statement, a speculative statement, and simple news, all at once. But the interest on the part of Namco-Bandai in the petition's popularity and its overwhelming surge of support is relevant to the article, as it's about the game and its continued developments. Shotgunmaniac (talk) 23:21, 5 April 2012 (UTC)


 * AGREED! PC version just came out and every review is disgusted at how incredibly poor this port is!


 * "I can give it this much: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition does run. Yet when over 100,000 PC gamers petitioned Namco Bandai to bring its popular console action RPG to the PC, this probably wasn't exactly what they had in mind. We've had our concerns over the quality of the PC ever since we first saw it earlier this year, and now that it's here, the worst of them are confirmed: this is just about a worst-case scenario port. It's a shame, too -- it's like getting that bike you asked for for Christmas only to find that it's so poorly assembled you can barely ride it. "


 * " To some extent this feels like I'm looking a gift horse in the mouth here, since Namco Bandai only created the PC version of Dark Souls after PC gamers cried out for it en mass. But in reality, Namco isn't "giving" us anything -- it's charging us $40 for a product, and that product is technically poor."


 * "I can now confirm first-hand that no matter what resolution you set in the options, Dark Souls will run at 1280x720 (or 720p) and stretch to fit. It looks pretty terrible on a PC monitor, or anything higher than 720p resolution. Everything's blocky, and even text looks awful. Of all the low-quality shortcuts From could've taken in putting Dark Souls on the PC, limiting the resolution may well be the most inexcusable. I've seen a lot of bad ports, but it's been a long time since I've seen something this bad."

So there is a new edit war about the following quote from Eurogamer: Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition does not come with the technical options you would expect from a well-engineered PC game, because it's a port of a console game, and that's all From Software ever promised to deliver. Anyone who passes up Dark Souls for this reason is cutting off their nose to spite their neckbeard of a face. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-08-28-dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition-review

I don't see why it would be removed while keeping the preceding paragraph. Eurogamer is commenting on the preceding statements, and they feel like a source more reliable than Neogaf. Fabjan (talk) 13:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

GameSpy "worst port ever" quote
A lot of people are quoting Game Spy as saying the PC port is the "worst port ever". However, in the linked article, no such phrase exists. The review is actually very generous towards the game, though damning its technical limitations. Several forums(1, 2), however, have copy-pasted a more damning review, sourcing the same link. These have the "worst port ever" quote. I figure they removed the old review and put up a new, less critical review in its place. So I guess we ought to remove the quote? They did say it at one point, but it's a bit tricky to reliably cite it, and they redacted it anyways. --Mikaka (talk) 21:19, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's there (Port Authority: Dark Souls PC), however, it doesn't appear in the newer version (Dark Souls (Prepare to Die Edition). Why they changed it, I don't know, but if someone wants to quote that as an initial reaction, it's there. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 17:24, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

PhyreEngine
Tweet. This claims otherwise. I also find it unlikely. 85.207.131.6 (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Trolling in the very first line?
From the first line: "[...]is an eat shit video game set [...]" seems like some was trolling to me?

Legacy
How did this influence The Witcher series as stated in the article?

The first Witcher game came out in 2007, and The Witcher 2 came out the same year this did. If anything the influence would be the other way around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sekraan (talk • contribs) 04:33, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Legitimate or Not -- Game Design and Features
I am a very occasional wikipedia editor. This computer game, Dark Souls, is unusually well done.. an instant classic on many levels. I am inspired to make this article reflect design aspects of this important and unique game. Meanwhile, the article as of three days ago was in a shambles.. poorly written, missing details and badly worded to a point of being inaccurate. I changed several paragraphs of Gameplay. Next I added a detail. The edit was deleted by some guy right away as "not needed" ?? More deletions follow...

I commented on his page HERE Now more deletes "badly written and unnecessary" .. really ? what is going on .. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CDA6:6A10:223:6CFF:FE94:23E3 (talk) 15:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Dissident93's revert. The quote from Kei Horono would belong in the Development section, if appropriate to even have in the article. Some of the other things like "Covenants" is not necessary, we don't need to explain every aspect of the game. Wikia is better suited for the nuanced details. -- ferret (talk) 16:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I have never heard of wikia until.. I do get the "game clutter" concept from the guidelines, and even with that, the things I added were relevent on the largest scale, the game itself.. not some level detail nit or small part of a character mechanic. So I am not convinced.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CDA6:6A10:223:6CFF:FE94:23E3 (talk) 16:46, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Covenant info is exactly what the WP:GAMECRUFT guideline is trying to prevent (see #3, #4, and #7). Not trying to be mean or anything, but that stuff is better suited for external Wikias. The article doesn't need any more info on them besides that they exist and each serve a separate purpose. ~ Dissident93  (talk)  20:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Synopsis
Having never played the game(s), I find the plot synopsis:

a) at times basically gibberish (what's a Gwyn? What's a Lord Soul?);

b) tonally inconsistent ("but all flames must fade" is something a guy with a gravelly voice says in a video-game cutscene, not an encyclopedic remark);

c) inconsistent in terms of grammatical tense.

If I knew anything about the story, I'd try to be bold (or WP:BOLD, even)! Still, as it stands, the section is utterly pointless for somebody not already familiar with the subject. -83.204.241.141 (talk) 09:09, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I totally agree. Why even name all of these NPCs, when we never even talk to them in game? The entire summary of the opening cutscene could be shortened.
 * Perhaps this works: "The opening cutscene provides a short background on the mythology of the world and the grim circumstances concerning mankind at the start of the game. And moreover, the general reason the player finds themselves trapped in the Northern Asylum."
 * From this point out, the player is never required to talk to anyone ever again. So it's odd for there to summarize a "plot" that the player is never forced to acknowledge or take part in really. Honestly, the plot synopsis should stress the barebones skeleton of the plot, and virtually none of the specifics. I think the following needs to be polished for the final article, but if Dark Souls I needs any kind of plot synopsis, this is close to how it should be written:
 * "The player attempts to escape their imprisonment in an asylum, only for an enormous shrieking crow to suddenly fly up and snatch the player character. The player is likely to be surprised that rather than having been devoured by the giant crow, or being fed to the giant crow's young, the player has been instead dropped off at a new location without harm for unknown reasons. The crow then perches itself on a nearby ruin and from here the player is now free explore the new environment. 
 * During the player's travels they will happen upon new enemies, bosses, items, and NPCs. And will be able to uncover new secrets regarding the world's history, which may help to illuminate the nature of the world they inhabit, explain the events which have transpired thus far and have led to the evident downfall of civilization, or possibly even a way to rid themself of the curse that will one day drive them mad. Ultimately, if a cure for the player's curse is to be found, then perhaps there is yet hope for mankind. Provided that the NPCs aren't lying about it, of course.  2601:14A:C100:D:D10D:2E9F:BB30:AD17 (talk) 00:07, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

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Dark Souls Board Game
Sourced, relevant I added here regarding the Dark Souls board game has been removed from the legacy section without a clear argument being made as to why it should be removed. Failing a consensus here that it doesn't belong, I'll add it back in here shortly. Nwlaw63 (talk) 02:09, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The info was moved to the series page, where it's a better fit because it includes elements from Dark Souls 2 and 3 as well. Maybe a passive mention of it could be added, but anything too detailed belongs on the series page. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 17:54, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * I didn't see that it was moved to the series page - that handles it perfectly. Thanks for the work you do around here. Nwlaw63 (talk) 23:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)


 * No problem. Feel free to add any more info there. ~ Dissident93  ( talk ) 01:52, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Why don't we have a section on Dark Souls Remastered?
So I know that there is ton on info on Dark Souls Remastered, why don't we have a section on it yet? Felicia (talk)
 * It's covered in the Legacy section. Feel free to expand with pertinent information. --The1337gamer (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Really not much different about it, so a section wouldn't be needed. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 20:32, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We do now. Inter qwark talk  contribs 18:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

To mention or not to mention “30 fps”
and I had a disagreement about whether to mention that the Switch version of Dark Souls: Remastered runs at 30 fps. to say that the game runs at 60 fps on all platforms except for the Nintendo Switch, as opposed to mentioning that the game runs at 60 fps or 30 fps on the Nintendo Switch. The latter is more consise, and I don’t think that it’s more technical as he argued here since it’s only mentioning a different frame rate. Frame rates were already mentioned in the section, so it’s not more technical or confusing to mention 30 fps in addition to 60 fps.

Which is better: or  (or a different, reformed sentence)?

Example one: The game runs at a native 60 frames per second (fps) (or 30 fps on the Nintendo Switch) … Example two: The game runs at a native 60 frames per second (fps) on all platforms except the Nintendo Switch … Inter qwark talk  contribs 21:04, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As the original game runs at 720/30fps, I simply think that stating the Switch version features no enhancements in those areas, while the other 3 platforms do, is easier to understand. The source being cited has the exact details if people wish to know more. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There’s no indication that the Switch version runs at the same frame rate as the unrelated Prepare To Die Edition anywhere in the sectinon, and editing it to mention that would be much less consise and more confusing than simply mentiong that it runs at 30 frames per second. We don’t need to mention the specific resolutions of every version, as that’s more complicated when it comes to the Switch, but I don’t see the problem with simply mentioning the frame rate of 30 fps of the Switch version in parentheses. Inter qwark talk  contribs 22:43, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That's exactly my reasoning, why mention the Switch's technical details when we could just state it doesn't feature any enhancements from the original release, unlike the other 3 versions of DSR? If this has to be added, then I think this is better off being added in a note than in the body itself. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that since the article already says that the exception to the frame rate of 60 fps of the other versions is the Switch version, we might as well mention that it runs at 30 fps. It’s shorter. I don’t see a reason to say that the Switch run at 60 fps without mentioning that it runs at 30 fps. Inter qwark  talk  contribs 22:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Open world
The article says it is open world, but is it true?
 * "Open world" is a modern buzzworld for any game that isn't completely linear. In my opinion, I would not call it open world in the same vein as Skyrim or Witcher 3, but if sources call it that, then we can't really argue it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:00, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * On the topic of Darks Souls being Open world. --Saint-Edgar (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

I also need to question the term Open world being use to describe Dark Souls, as Dissident93 did. A buzzword that doesn't apply to the deterministic and enclosed nature of the linear or bi-linear world used by the game designers of the Dark souls franchise. The style metroidvania would be best suited to the design proposed in this game. This thread on Reddit made it clear.

--Saint-Edgar (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Reddit is not a reliable source and thus can't really be used in argument for or against this. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 20:26, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * In the emerging world of video game critic, what would be consider a reliable source, as a game like Dark Souls rely heavily on their community to perform and activate any meanings the world as to offer? Could game journalists be take for account as reliable sources? Those are all candid questions. Cheers!

--Saint-Edgar (talk) 18:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Adding hyperlinks to the Plot section
Hi everyone,

I'm new here, if so you have any recommandations on how I should proceed next, let me know.

I thought the Plot section was a bit lackluster in the hyperkinks department. A few relevant lore youtubers and game critics made a couple of videos that could benefit the reader who wants to further expand his knowleadge on Dark souls' lore.

I was thinking of adding to "game design" a video of Super Bunnyhop and, perhaps, to Gwyn three videos made by VaatiVidya.

I would appreciate if you consider those addings.

Yours sincerely,

--Saint-Edgar (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * None of those are really reliable sources, even if they are well produced. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 20:24, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
 * As mentionned above, and continuing in the same vein, a case should be made to include video game critics that exercise their profession on online platforms such as Youtube (the most serious of them use classical journalist deontology codes, Super BunnyHop is one of them) - what are the claims that dismiss their contribution? The independance of sources such as online video game news website that are claimed to be as reliable should be questionned too, in this case, no?

Sincerely,

--Saint-Edgar (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * YouTube channels like the ones you bring up are usually considered more fan/blog-style content, even if they are well produced and have original content. However, they sometimes can be used, but almost always need to be discussed first. So as for this specific case, I'd say that Super Bunnyhop is more viable as a source than VaatiVidya, as the former discusses real-world implications of the game, while the latter only discusses in-universe story/lore that would generally be considered WP:GAMECRUFT to put in this article. WP:VG/RS should be helpful to see what sources we considered reliable or not. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 17:00, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's enlightening. --Saint-Edgar (talk) 17:38, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Adding Character Builds
After reading through this article, being a new player to dark souls, it seems like it would be a great idea to talk about the different types of character builds that could be used. It could be useful to give information in any way to give players a better idea of what characters they would like to build. This was something I struggled with in the beginning of the game and wish I had access to such knowledge. If there is another page dedicated to character builds, could it be possible to add the page in the description maybe? This was just an idea I had after looking at the article! AnonymousQueen18 (talk) 22:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , this type of info is not a fit for Wikipedia. Try asking on one of the game's various Wikias instead. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 23:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * May bad, I'm just trying to do a school assignment and honestly have no clue how to do this. Thank you for letting me know! AnonymousQueen18 (talk) 23:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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