Talk:Dark ambient/Archive 1

Proposal
I want to delete this entry and merge it to the ambient music entry, which for some reason doesn't mention dark ambient as a subgenre at the moment. Any objections? Sanctum 02:17, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


 * imo the article should remain on its own as i feel that its subject is seperate enough from ambient music in general to warrent it's own page. ambient music is a bit of a mess anyway. ambient techno was merged into it a while back, and although the content from that page was only about ambient and not actually ambient techno at that point, the ambient page still remains underdeveloped in that area with only wishy-washy "Other 'less ambient' ambient styles" section, so i've been considering seperating them again, doing some research and basically starting afresh with the ambient techno article. --MilkMiruku 14:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Dark ambient and ambient is TOTALLY different (more than hard rock differs from heavy metal, that's fer sure). Frigo 22:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Very bad idea as far as I am concerned. Genres are related of course if there are many people who listen both. Dark ambient and 'light' ambient are far more different from each other than hard rock and heavy metal. They are more different from each other than heavy metal and hardstyle I think. As proportionally there are more people who listen those two than that there are people listening both dark ambient and 'light' ambient. Niarch (talk) 16:36, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Request For Re-Edit

 * I agree. This page needs some serious attention.--Bloodofox 19:39, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Edited
I just finished editing this article to a higher standard, as opposed to the two messy paragrahs before.

Feel free to fix any errors, and add more!


 * Although I am sure some people are going to take issues with the inclusion of black metal in this article, I think it at least deserves some mention. It looks good to me, certainly a big improvement. --Bloodofox 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Ivery much agree that ambient black metal should be included; several other noteworthy artists that should be there are- Darkspace and Ondo, and perhaps even Negura Bunget (though they have a folk thing going on too) —Preceding unsigned comment added by HexagonSunn7))) (talk • contribs) 00:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Darkwave
''In the late 1980s and early 1990s, a "darkwave" and ethereal wave trend emerged within gothic rock, that tended toward moody atmospheric pieces rather than jangly minor-key rock. Darkwave was particularly associated with the Projekt record label, with bands like black tape for a blue girl doing music that ranged into moody ambient soundscapes.''

What a nonsense. Early gothrock and ethereal wave are subgenres of darkwave. Darkwave wasn't particularly associated with the Projekt record label, but with 80s music of depeche mode and joy division. Later "darkwave" was mainly used in Germany, associated with the music from the early and mid-90s (look there). Projekt use the term "darkwave" not before the end of the 90s.

Nice!
I'm glad to see this article has grown. I originally started this back in 2005 as a regular IP user and I'm happy too see it's grown quite alot. Pleanty more info then originally. Nice work! tyx 16:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Please...
...use your brains, guys. Most of the mentioned artists are Industrial music artists (except the unsourced Brian Eno). Lustmord, Hafler Trio, Zoviet France, Coil, Nocturnal Emissions, Controlled Bleeding, CTI, Deutsch Nepal, Cabaret Voltaire, etc. They're all (Post-)Industrial music artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.22.50 (talk) 11:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

They may have incorporated influences from "industrial", yes, but it's such a broad term you cannot categorise these groups so carelessly. Lustmord is pure dark ambient, one of the more renowned artists of the genre in fact, and Hafler Trio are essentially abstract soundscape music. As for the others - Zoviet, Emissions, Coil have released albums in the ambient industrial genre, whilst the others drift between various post-industrial styles. So you're not wrong - but specificity is important, otherwise we'd classify Lustmord alongside, say, Neubauten, which would be bizarre and misleading. 124.171.98.16 (talk) 10:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC) (user:Psychonavigation... not logged in, as usual)

Why
There is no reason to have "Mainstream popularity: low" on the sidebox

Is post-rock really a derivative genre of dark ambient?
I see that Dark Ambient is listed on the post-rock page as one of the origin genres for post-rock, but I think that the influence of dark ambient in post rock is minimal. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluefountainhead (talk • contribs) 12:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Don't care about it. It's just bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.134.3.31 (talk) 09:54, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Is there a dumber term in the world than Krautrock?
Yes! Dark Ambient! But it's so spoooooooooooooky! : D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.104.195.40 (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Originated more in the 1970's than the 1980's
The article claims that Dark Ambient originated in the mid 1980's. This is not true. While you could say that dark ambient evolved during the 1980's, it originated in the 1970's, shortly after ambient as a genre started in the 1960's. --Mozart834428196 (talk) 13:21, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for this opinion?  freshacconci  (✉) 13:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, David Bowie's 1977 album Low has Dark Ambient elements. --Mozart834428196 (talk) 16:46, 4 October 2018 (UTC)