Talk:Dark skin/Archive 1

Pictures representing Dark Skin
An earlier editor replaced this (younger woman with dark skin with shoulders and neck exposed) with another photo of a Beninese woman with lighter skin. I think the younger girl is a better representation of dark skin because her shoulders and neck are showing and represents the darker range of dark skin. Thoughts are appreciated before any further reversion. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:14, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

The photo the other editor chose is this (older woman with lighter skin):

as this is a photo regarding "dark skin" I think a photo with the darker phenotype is better to show the variation, and the exposure of the neck and shoulders also allows readers to see how the skin color looks across a greater skin area. Thoughts are welcome before any further reversion. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:17, 23 December 2013 (UTC) As you can see the younger girl's skin is significantly darker and also shows more area of the skin as her shoulders are exposed. Discussion before further reversion is appreciated. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:18, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Another point: the younger girl is significantly more attractive than the older woman. In light of the historical associations of dark skin with ugliness, I believe it is better to have an equal level of attractiveness of the photos, preferably of attractive persons (the photo of the lighter-skinned) representative for South Asian dark skin is extremely attractive and is in fact a celebrity). Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:20, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Both women are dark-skinned. The difference is that the woman with the braids is of unknown ancestry, whereas the other woman from Benin is of known ancestry. In any event, here is a woman that is both darker and of known ancestry-> Young Woman - Abomey - Benin.jpgorone (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

The ancestry is not relevant: this is an article about dark skin in general across all human populations not dark skin in specific populations. Ancestry may be relevant if this was an article about dark skin in African populations or Asian populations specifically. Also, the photo you have changed is of an unattractive person. Do you think the attractiveness of the photos should be taken into consideration? I have made my argument as to why above, I would like your thoughts. Andajara120000 (talk) 11:46, 23 December 2013 (UTC) Both of these photos you have chosen are of relatively less attractive people. Before any further reversion I would love to have a discussion about this issue of relative attractiveness of the photos as compared to the other photos on the page. Having the darkest skinned person be the least attractive of the photos may give the wrong impression about dark skin. Thoughts before further reversion much welcome. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:48, 23 December 2013 (UTC) I would love to get a third person's input. As I am new to Wikipedia do you know how I may be able to get a third person's input on the issue if you are not willing to engage the question of relative attractiveness? I know the issue of attractiveness can be sensitive for some people to deal with but in the context of a Wikipedia page on a historically stigmatized characteristic of large populations in the world I think the issue is highly relevant. Regards Andajara120000 (talk) 11:49, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore, both the photos of women from Benin are significantly lighter than that of the photo originally in the article. I think that is quite obvious but let me know if you are having trouble seeing that (earlier on you stated that the skin colors were the same and I think it is quite clear they are not). A third editor perhaps with better eyesight would be welcome to consider this issue. Andajara120000 (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Please let us resolve this issue before any further changes are made on the article to avoid the 3 revert rule. I am very willing to engage in a discussion but not if reversions are being done at the same time. Many regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that a more pretty picture is necessarily the main aim, however it does seem that replacing a darker skinned picture for a lighter skinned one (or one that has a location tag) seems rather pointless, and a little impolite without discussion. FMMonty (talk) 11:55, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Ancestry obviously matters for identification purposes. Attractiveness, on the other hand, doesn't really factor into the equation. Anyway, it's a moot point that I don't think is worth fighting over (inicidentally, not sure what's unattractive about either Benin women...). Soupforone (talk) 11:57, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Ok, great. It's wonderful to resolve issues amicably. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 11:59, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * There are currently 3 images being used to accompany the lede, I think it's overkill and only one is necessary... perhaps we can decide on one for the lede and the others moved to elsewhere in the article or deleted? Tobus (talk) 14:41, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That probably makes sense--to move the other photos to other sections in the article. Maybe we can move the photo of the Cambodian men to the top (as there are multiple people in the photo) and the individual women to the bottom of the article. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 22:37, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, good idea. I've moved the two female ones down. Soupforone (talk) 00:05, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! Thank you. Regards, Andajara120000 (talk) 00:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

-- Why are some light brown guys the first image in this page? Their skin is not dark, it's in the middle. Is this page based on white people's perception of "dark" as in "anything darker then white"??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.40.163 (talk) 05:41, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Not a good idea
To be honest, I think it’s ridiculous and bigotry to put an opinion or believe on how dark skin originally came from. It’s only going to make more people upset and cause more fighting. And before you stereotype me as black person who forces opinions in people’s faces, please think again 1pink2red (talk) 05:47, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Why aren't MENA people mentioned here?
MENA people also have dark skin. Why aren't they mentioned here? And why isn't North Africa mentioned in the Africa section? Are only SSA dark skinned? This is intellectually dishonest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:142:101:20c0:6cbe:4baf:d03d:a00a (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * They ARE mentioned here. And I've added a photo too. Some idiots keep removing the photo. And someone has incorrectly labelled it vandalism..103.100.11.3 (talk) 03:07, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Dark skin
The dark people are beautiful!!! Elefant 2005 (talk) 09:28, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

To be honest, I think it’s ridiculous to put an opinion or believe on how dark skin originally came from. It’s only going to make more people upset and cause more fighting. 1pink2red (talk) 05:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

All colours are beautiful.2001:44B8:802:1100:BD39:BF3D:4E16:FEF0 (talk) 06:38, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Tanned skin is not dark skin
Dark skin is not seen positively in Western countries that see tanned skin positively. 86.25.147.122 (talk) 08:24, 29 May 2023 (UTC)