Talk:Darkseid/Archive 1

DCAU
I'm removing the references to Darkseid's powers varying wildly in the DCAU. As far as I understand, Darkseid is always equally strong, and Superman just gets stronger with age. This is supported by the fact that Superman is strongest in Batman Beyond (distant future) and weakest in STAS (the past) and somewhere in between in Justice League Unlimited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.150.37.124 (talk) 06:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

SHB image
The image cannot be changed? I'm replacing a only-head image for another one also showing body and limbs. It's Darkseid, not Modok. Lesfer &#9742; 20:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Then find a better-quality image. The current one is perfectly fine; a good focus on his head and is better than the other one. Besides, there are other images that show his full body. --CyberGhostface 23:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry; apparently my brother's account was still logged in when I made my post. Anyway, my point still stands. The other image is of a higher quality and just appears drawn better, and it shows more detail when closed up on the face (and, the gif doesnt does have any sources). --DrBat 02:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Discussion of Darkseid's strength in JLU finale (Removal notice)
I've decided to remove the last paragraph from the Other appearances section because its more of a plot summary than anything else, and it doesn't add any information about Darkseid that isn't already on this page. LazerBeem 05:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanos?
Darseid strength is compared to Thanos in this. While possibly similar characters, as residents of different universes is this confirmed or even relevant? Wouldn't it make more sense to compare him to some other DCU character? (Changed to be a comparison to Superman.)


 * It seems some contributors continually wish to compare Darkseid' strength to Thanos', even though no direct comparisons can be drawn because they are from two different universes. I think those people constantly try to compare Darkseid to Thanos because Thanos occupies a special place in the Marvel Universe &mdash; a place a notch above even the most powerful of the MU conventional heroes &mdash; a place that Darkseid *should* occupy in the DCU but currently does not.  Thanos was initially meant to be Marvel's version of Darkseid but he has evolved into something that is actually quite a bit different than Darkseid in power, nature, and personality.  TheBalance 13:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh come off it. Thanos is a fairly nondescript villain in the Marvel Universe, not nearly as influential or well known a villain as Darkseid who is arguably the greatest threat to life in the DC universe. Thanos is powerful but Darkseid would beat him in a fight any day of the week.

Darkseid's powers
Can anyone give me issues where Darkseid performs feats like teleportation and moving planets? Are these actual personal powers, or does he use Apokoliptian technology (why does he bother with Boom Tubes if he can self-teleport?)?

I cannot give you issue numbers or what not, but I can tell you he moved the entire solar system(minus the sun) which housed the Daxamites to an area with a yellow sun. He did this himself.

He rarely teleports himself, simply because he enjoys the grandeur of the boom tube, but he can.

NOTICE OF REMOVAL OF TEXT: In the entry there was text stating that in the Superfriends cartoons Darkseid was shown to posess strength, speed, and stamina comparable to Superman's.  Darkseid was never shown to posess such strength, speed, or stamina. Memory1982 07:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)memory1982

Darkseid is truly powerful, but the exact limits of his powers depend on the writers. In the great Darkness Saga he was able to mind control three billions of daxamites, teleport their planet, defeated Mordru, the Time Traper, battled the entire legion of superheroes, plus Orion, Superboy and Supergirl. He also left Mon-el comatose with the omega beam. He also created twisted clones of Superman, Orion, Kalibak and a Guardian of the Universe.

In Jack Kirby's Fourth World was established that he can create Avatars of himself even trapped in the Source Wall. And more, it is revealed that for millenia Darkseid has been killing and draining the powers of many gods across the Universe. Also, it is said that at its full-power, the omega beam can erase people from existance, even their souls, and that every trace of their existance will be removed from the memory of anyone who has knew them, the same is said in the elseworld Generations.

In the New Gods series written by Evanier (1989-1991), Darkseid can raise the Dead. He has resurrected many of his minions: Desaad, Kalibak, Steppenwolf

Another source about Darkseid is the DC heroes RPG. Between editions his stats change a lot. For example Continuum Control (his main power, wich can emulate Teleport, Time Travel, Matter Manipulation, Dimension Travel,Regeneration and Damage Transference, effectively giving him control over the space-time continuum) is rated 60 APs (the APs are an exponential Unit, 60 is double than 59) while the strength of the pre-crisis Superman was 52. The post-crisis version of Darkseid is a lot less powerful and has only 30 APs of Continuum Control (The Iroshima Bomb is rated to 25 APs, the same that the post-Crisis Superman's Strength). Other powers of Darkseid in the DC RPG are Invulnerability, Regemeration and Warp. He has incredible High atributes, e.g. he has a Will of 26 (twice than Death of the Endless and Hal Jorda, each of them with a Willpower of 25), Strength 22, Dexterity 10 (Batman has 9), etcetera.

Anyway, the New Gods doesn't have anything near a continuity, the only stories that are fixed in the history of the DC Universe are those originally written by Kirby. The rest are quickly forgotten after a couple of months of the cancellation of any new gods title tha was being published at the moment.

Sorry if my English wasnt very good, it is not my native language.

Orion

The Stats of Darkseid in the DC Heroes RPG Module War of the Gods (Late eighties)

Dex 23 Str 18  Body 46 Int 20 Will 32 Mind 30 Infl 16 Aura 20 Spirit 30 Initiative 59 Hero Points 180 Powers: Aura of Fear 17, Continuum Control 60, Control 5, Dimmension travel 32, Invulnerability 38, Life sense 19, Mind Blast 18, Mind Probe 20, Object Awareness 32, Sealed Systems 18, Skin Armor 15, Suspension 32, Telepathy 32, Truesight 18

Skills: Charisma 15

DC Heroes Core Rulebook, Third Edition (1993) Dex 10 Str 25 Body 16 Int 18 Will 26 Mind 20 Infl 17 Aura 17 Spirit 18

Powers: Continuum Control 30, Dimmension Travel 8, Invulnerability 20, Regeneration 8, Warp 65 Skills: Charisma 18, Scientist 15

(note: the middle human attribute is 2 APs and the scale is exponential, thus 3 is double than 2, STR 25 is someone who can lift 820000 tons over his head without effort). (Batman's Dex: 9, Superman's Str: 25, Superman's Body 18, Luthor's Intelligence 14, Hal Jordan's Willpower is 25, and so on, 69 APs is the length of the milky way galaxy)

Orion

Certainly, Darkseid doesnt is physically as strong as Superman. In the DCH RPG, The pre-crisis Darkseid, has a STR of 18 while Superman has a Str of 52, while the Post Crisis Superman and Darkseid have a STR of 25, while Superman has Higher ratings at DEX (13), Body (18) and Invulnerability (20). About the Great Darkness Saga. He was able to drain the powers of Mordru and the Timpe Trapper, and that is in itself a great display of Power. When Darkseid lose his hold on the minds of the daxamites he said thar his powers have trully diminished over the millenia. Anyway, Darkseid's stats seems to change from writer to writer, and The Great Darkness Saga is out of Continuity. In many New God's comics it is implied that he is far more powerful than what he's usually given credit. In the Evanier's run it's said that many of Darkseid's defets were instead inflicted upon a disguised Desaad. In Jack Kirby's FW Darkseid said that his avatars may be defeated, as they are far less powerful than he.

Orion

Description of powers and abilities
Why exactly was the (in my opinion) superior listing and description of Darksied's powers changed? I spent quite some time adjusting that, and I thought it seemed much neater, tidier and easier to understand. It would seem that I was incorrect. - Sh@z@M

What changes are you referring to? HoosierDaddy 22:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I changed the infobox information to say 'Omnipotent and omniscient, Immortal and Invincible' and then listed his abilities more precisely below. - Sh@z@M

But the character isn't all powerful is he? Omnipotence would apply to a character that's virtually impossible to defeat by any means and that doesn't apply to Darkseid. He's often percieved as omnipotent by those he rules but saying that he's 'Omnipotent and omniscient, Immortal and Invincible' under the description of his abilities sounds very much like personal opinion rather than actual fact. Odin&#39;s Beard 02:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It isn't my opinion. If he wasall powerful, why would he always lose? I simply edited it to say that because it had been mentioned elsewhere in the article. - Sh@z@M

I saw that in the article. I must've skimmed over it. I've removed the mentioning of Darkseid's omnipotence from the article. The term itself gets tossed around quite a bit in comic books. Like almost all of the comic book characters slapped with the label of omnipotence, it doesn't apply to Darkseid. He's powerful, but not that powerful Odin&#39;s Beard 00:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Very well. This discussion is hereby closed. Meeting adjourned. - Sh@z@M

Changing the Picture
Not really detailed and not a really good picture of what he really looks like. He is very ugly there too.--ThanosMadTitan23 00:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it is a good picture. And besides Darkseid's evil. He's supposed to be ugly. Although others of his species probably consider him quite good looking.

Anon

Uxas
This is listed as an alter ego, but it's not explained. Where did this come from? --Marhawkman 02:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I't his birth name, apparently. I know it to be true, but I have no way to cite this. --Chris Griswold (  ☎  ☓  ) 09:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm... Apparently it's explained in detail in the Desaad article. But not here... O_o--Marhawkman 06:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Uxas was his name before he earned the omega power while commiting treason on his brother Drax. The complete story is in the backups of Jack Kirby's Fourth World and was written by J. Byrne. His brother Drax, after his apparent dead, became the Infinty Man of the Forever People.

Orion

Emperor Joker
It might be noted that Superman/Batman is not the first comic in which Darkseid is humbled by the Joker. In the "Emperor Joker" storyline (specifically, in the eponymous one-shot) Darkseid is reduced to playing straight man in a parody of the "Whazzzup" Budweiser commercials. It's debatable whether he would remember this following that storyline's resolution. I can't recall whether Darkseid makes a cameo in the Joker's "Last Laugh" storyline, though there is a slim chance that he's made a fool of Darkseid on THREE occasions.

Also, has anyone made a citable comment on the trend in Superman comics (post-Crisis) of portraying Lex Luthor more and more as a Darkseidian calculating manipulator rather than his orgins as a wicked scientist? Asat 21:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

First "Appearance"
I just checked Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen #134, and while Darkseid is mentioned, he does not actually appear in the issue. Does this still count as an appearance? Dlong 18:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, his head appears in one of the very last panel of the issue. More of a cameo really, but well... Bblank 14:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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I thought it was Darkside not Darkseid O.o

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In reference to his first "live" appearence, the character shown in the Smallville episode "Bride" of season 8 was, in fact, Doomsday, not Darkseid. Tonew —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.234.98 (talk) 14:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
Not sure how this article got to be in that bad a state, but most of the cleanup is done. --Basique 18:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Powers are linked when there are an excessive amount of them. --69.136.111.100 06:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Errors regarding Darkseid's powers have been deleted. Darkseid was never shown to be anywhere near as strong as the pre-Crisis on Infinite Earths Superman. He was never shown to be anywhere near as fast as the pre-COIE Superman. These are fantastical statements completely contrary any knowledge of comics characterizations of the Superman of that era. Darkseid, in the Great Darkness Saga, was able to fight Supergirl after absorbing the power of the Timetrapper, Mordru, a planet full of sorcerers, the sword Excalibur, and many other magical artifacts. Even then, far above his normal power level, he did not win the fight

Apocalypse?
Does anyone besides me see comparisons between Apocalypse of the Marvel Comics and Darkseid. Think about it. Both are nigh-omnipotent, god-like evil beings who believe in survival of the fittest and plot domination of their respective fictional universes. People say that Thanos is Darkseid's counterpart in the MCU but I think that Apocalypse is more similar.

Anon

Why am I always ignored?

Anon

Yes it is similar, and was created by an admiror of Kirbys Work, Walt Simonson. It is not the only one, the same can be said about two creations of Jim Starlin: Thanos (who actually is a very interesting character on his own) and Mongul (who is truly a cheap copy, except for the story "for the man who has everything", by Alan Moore) In fact. Darkseid is a visually striking character and one of the best pieces of comic-book character design, so he excerted a lot of influence in the comic-book art (as it happens with many other characters, see the haircut of Wolverine and his incredible influence on the Image era of comics).

Oh good I'm glad you agree. So which one came first, Apocalypse or Darkseid?

Anon

Darkseid was first. Darkseid first appearence was at the early 70s. Apocalypse appeared in X-Factor at the mid-80s, and is one of the many Darseiedsque comic-book characters.

Orion


 * The point is that Starlin created Thanos based on Kirby's Darkseid. A few years later, while working for DC Comics, he thought of using Darkseid in those DC Comics Presents stories. When DC refused to let him doing so, he created another Darkseid-like character, Mongul. 201.53.10.225 17:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. Just out of curiosity, what's the difference between post-crisis Superman and pre-crisis Superman?

Anon

The post crisis superman is far less powerful than his pre-crisis incarnation. The pre-crisis superman can move small planets and has powers like time-travel. The post-crisis superman can move (with a lot of effort) mountains, can be knocked unconsiouss by an a-bomb, lacks time travel, etc. Also, the postcrisis superman never was Superboy. Their personalities also differ, the post-crisis superman feels a lot more like a human being and less like a kriptonian. In fact, he is truly confortable with his Kent identity. As Kent is a lot less timid, is competent and competitive journalist, and is bit more interested in women. Another big diference is that Kal-el was born on earth. The post-crisis kriptonians are race of unfeeling scientist, specialiced in genetics. The spaceship of superman was an artificial matrix were the kal-el fetus developed. Many pre-crisis elements are now reincorporated. Orion Some elements of the precrisis superman

So which one is the last son of Krypton? The one with the ability to fly and super-strength and ice breath and laser eyes and X-Ray Vision?

Anon

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"Armaghetto of Apokolips"
Armaghetto of Apokolips sounds wrong...Armageddon perhaps? (second paragraph)

Armaghetto is a place on Apokolips, where the hunger dogs live.

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Regarding recent reverts
Is the JLA unlimited storyline not part of the DC Universe? The addition

''Batman is the only superhero to have dodged the Omega effect. Doomsday and Superman have both withstood the Omega Beams, as has the Spectre. In addition, Wonder Woman has deflected the energy with her bracelets.''

seems to be reverted for no reason. I think that the addition would improve the article. 59.92.55.79 —Preceding comment was added at 08:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Is the JLA unlimited storyline not part of the DC Universe?

Umm, no? -- DCincarnate (talk) 17:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, didn't know. Feel free to remove it, then.59.92.48.84 (talk) 10:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

bye
bye bye darkseid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.255.52 (talk) 18:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

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 * Done - needs a lot more references. (Emperor (talk) 05:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC))

Mk vs DCU
He is both a boss and a playable character. I provied a links for it. .--Lbrun12415 03:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


 * http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/News/mkvdcu-roster.cds


 * http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=55652


 * http://ps3.gamespy.com/playstation-3/mortal-kombat-next-gen/909445p1.html


 * http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/mortal-kombat-next-gen/909518p1.html


 * http://www.gamershell.com/news_59790.html


 * http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=55623


 * http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26588484&tag=;title;1


 * http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Full_Mortal_Kombat_vs_DC_Universe_Character_Roster_for_PS3_Xbox_360/3441


 * http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/3755.html


 * http://www.sohood.com/1/content/view/5117/31/


 * http://www.gamefocus.ca/?nav=new&nid=2304


 * http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/index.html?t=689195


 * http://ps3.ign.com/articles/909/909514p1.html


 * http://www.gamezone.com/news/09_11_08_05_21PM.htm


 * http://www.411mania.com/games/news/85069/%5BPS3,-Xbox-360%5D-Midway-Announces-Full-MK-vs.-DC-Universe-Roster.htm


 * http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/mortal-kombat-vs-DC-universe/achievements


 * http://kotaku.com/5048366/mk-vs-dc-character-list-outed-by-achievements

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Infobox picture
I noticed the infobox picture has been changed, and I am curious as to why. The picture we had seemed fine to me. Why is the one up now better than the one up before? Anakinjmt (talk) 14:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * From my talk page:
 * Hello there. I noticed you changed the infobox picture for Darkseid but failed to give a reason why. I thought I'd let you know that I have created a discussion on the talk page concerning the issue, and would like your opinion there. Thank you. Anakinjmt (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * When I made the change I did indeed give a reason in my edit summary. In the previous edit, an editor changed the infobox image without using an edit summary.  I believe it was only a shot of his face.  That image is deleted now though, so I can't be certain.  The current image has been there since at least May.  I think the image should stay.--Rockfang (talk) 19:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I thought the image had always been that of the face. Okay then. Thanks for clearing that up. Anakinjmt (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

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Name pronunciation
Is the "seid" in his name pronounced like "side" or "seed," or neither? Josh (talk) 02:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It is pronounced like "side".--Rockfang (talk) 05:55, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Death
Should we add anything on his death? It doesn't really mention him being cancelled out by Superman's Life frequency note or the wish machine closing the black hole that he became. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.139.1.68 (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's definitely worth mentioning. Friginator (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Smallville Darkseid
Who voices or plays this character? Or does he always use the voice of a character he has taken over, such as Lionel Luthor? 4.249.63.153 (talk) 13:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Character inspiration?
There's an unsourced claim that Darkseid was based on Hitler. However, as far as I know, Darkseid's personality was based on a contemporary public perception Richard Nixon - paranoid, scheming, dishonest, megalomaniac and demanding absolute loyalty. Anyone have an interview or something? 217.211.129.197 (talk) 22:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Both would be correct, I think I've heard the Nixon thing by Kirby before as well as Kirby likening Darkseid to Hitler, Apokalipse to Nazi Germany and perhaps more prominently and more often Anti-Life to facism and slavery (Death that is life) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.50.95.174 (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Grammatical edit
Changed "he would later used" by removing "would." ProfMontgomery (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Omega capitalization
I'm pretty sure we always capitalize the 'o' in 'omega' but what about the 'b' in 'beam' or 'force' and such? Ranze (talk) 03:08, 29 October 2012 (UTC)