Talk:Darth

Although the article lists darth as not being a dutch or german word, pronouncing vader with either of those two accents gives the word in those languages meaning father. darth could have a meaning similar to dearth, which would mean lost or missing, making the translation of anakins title "missing father."

as is listed in the article, darth vader is a proper name in the original trilogy, and only later is it changed to a title. i am willing to bet that lucas did originally mean to have vaders name be the clue to his actual identity and only when he started writing the second trilogy did he decide on the rules for the sith lords, including the darth title. it also helps to keep palpatines anonymity by giving him an alias rather than using his real name.


 * The problem there is that Lucas hadn't decided that Darth Vader would be Luke's father until later drafts of The Empire Strikes Back. He may have had it in mind as a possibility from the beginning, but in 1977, Darth Vader really had murdered Luke's father. Furthermore, "Darth Vader" appears in the early drafts of Star Wars as a character nothing like the black-armored Sith Lord we all know and love. Really, though, this discussion is entirely irrelevant, considering that this article has very little to do with Darth Vader. Jon Hart 17:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The real problem here is that it's Lucas who started the "dark father" interpretation. See the Darth Vader article, "In a 2005 interview, George Lucas was asked the origins of the name 'Darth Vader', and replied: 'Darth is a variation of dark. And Vader is a variation of father. So it's basically Dark Father.' (Rolling Stone, June 2, 2005). 'Vader' is the Dutch word for 'father' (the Dutch word is instead pronounced 'fah-der'), and the German word for 'father' (Vater) is similar. However, in the earliest scripts for Star Wars, the name 'Darth Vader' was given to a human Imperial general."  For what it's worth, the Wictionary on Darth Vader seems to be asserting the same stance as the one here, that it's not "dark father" but that's difficult to reconcile with the Lucas quote.  74.134.227.17 04:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Darth and Aurebesh
Can someone provide a canonical source confirming the article's assertion that "Darth is the ancient Aurabesh pronunciation for the word of 'dark.' "? It sounds dubious to me; not only have I never encountered it in any official Star Wars literature, Aurebesh isn't even a spoken language. Someone please provide a source confirming this statement, and I'll be happy to recant. -- Jon Hart

List of Darths
Could somebody please confirm whether the list of Darths contains only Darths from the official Star Wars universe, as opposed to also containing Darths from the expanded Star Wars universe?
 * The majority of them are from the Expanded Universe. Nufy8 20:37, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Which is the official Star Wars universe. Jon Hart 16:48, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. People seem to say that the information presented in the movies is somehow more correct than the information in the Expanded Universe. I do not understand this conception. After all, according to the movies Greedo shot first :(Atinoda 05:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's add a couple of quick notes after each one, with species and "highest" level of canon at which they appear. Example:
 * Darth Vader - Human - film canon
 * Darth Maul - Iridonian Zabrak - film canon
 * etc, etc. After all, with different levels of continuity currently in play, this seems to be the best option. --BlueNight 13:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

what about Darth Caedus?? Shinigami Josh (talk) 12:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC) What about Darth Sidious?(By Unknown)
 * he's from the expanded Star Wars universe 84.64.184.16 (talk) 10:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
I appreciate the compromise on "prepend/append/prefix." Good choice to settle it. :) 199.176.87.2 14:55, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. Nufy8 17:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Naming Conventions
Can anyone address the naming conventions used for some of the characters with the title Darth? Many of them, especially those in the films themselves, appear to follow the convention of having a name that is a corruption of a real English word, usually one with negative connotations. Darth Vader ("invader"), Darth Sidious ("insidious"), Darth Tyranus ("tyrannous"), Darth Traya ("betrayal"), Darth Plagueis ("plagues" or "plagose"), Darth Bandon ("abandon"), and Darth Nihilus ("nihilist"). In some cases the name is a word itself, as in the case of Darth Maul, Darth Ruin, Darth Bane, and Darth Millenial. I don't feel qualified to add this to the article because I don't know if Lucas or other creators have ever officially addressed it, or if it's been written about elsewhere.--Halloween jack 03:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * *shrug* I don't feel like it needs to be specifically addressed. Ultimately, there isn't really any rhyme or reason to it (as evidenced by your illustration that some are real words, while others are corruptions). Just to add a third type of "Darth" name, Revan and Malak kept their real names, rather than completely rename themselves; when you've got three different naming conventions going on, it seems to me like there's little reason to point out one procedure as the de facto naming scheme. That said, I don't have a problem EVula 15:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Original Research
Right now, this page feels very OR-heavy and speculative. If things cannot be adequately sourced and attributed, I will be going through and removing OR this weekend to maintain standards. If it can be sourced to any level of canon, I'm happy with it, but it needs to be sourced. The Dark 16:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

"Darth" transliteration in Cyrillic
It is not correct that Darth is spelled like that in all languages besides Italian (maybe it's true for languages that use Latin alphabet). In Bulgarian it's transliterated as 'Dart' (Дарт) because there is no 'th' sound in the language and there is no way to express it. 'Vader' is rather transcribed as 'Veydar' (Вейдър) which is the closest phonetic match (actually 'Dart' if too). I believe that in Russian it's the same. Maybe somebody could tell for other languages using Cyrillic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.36.7.130 (talk) 05:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)