Talk:Dassault LOGIDUC

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Aviation Design doesn't mention it but i think AMT refers to the Netherlands based company. It could be a custom model as AD produces several customs devices. the best is to mail them and ask about it. Shame On You 15:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Aviation Design (http://www.adjets.com/)
 * AMT Advanced Micro Turbines (http://www.amtjets.com/)

Dassault A.V.E.
i'm currently thinking about renaming this article "Dassault AVE" as i orginally planned to develop separated articles for each model but now i'm rather happy with how it turned out (and there are no that much unveilled data). i should ask Dassault what is the best name. i saw an Aviation Design promo poster named "Dassault A.V.E" i don't know by now, i'll figure it out later. Shame On You 17:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Is there a first-flight date for AVE-C?
Is there? Akradecki 19:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * official infos regarding the AVE-C are hard to find and non-official sources are contradictries some claims it has bomb bay, while it is supposed to be an UAV not UCAV. infos about the maiden flight are also vague, some source calaims 2001 others third trimestre (06.2004). check the mentionned sources in the article: 2001 comes from Defence Ministry report at the French Senate, and 2004 comes from the European-Security website. both are official sources (i used the sources mentioned in the article). i found various screenshots from video of flying AVE-C but the sources are not unveiled (must come from old dassault promo video or possibly from a dassault insider). i'll check youtube further. its like about the "C" in AVE-C (Moyen Duc), i found the "D" meaning in the French Senate report but the "C" was not defined. the guy who posted the unknown pics claims "C" is for "combat" hence the Moyen Duc sometimes refered as an UCLA instead of a T-UAV. as i was not sure i didn't defined the "C" in the article. i need more official data. a gound thing would be to mail both the DGA (nEUROn project chief master) and Dassault. i'm currently seeking an official cool real photo about the AVE-C for the article so i can use the current replica for the Grand Duc section. Shame On You 20:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

pic1 pic2 pic3 Rafale commanding 3 Petit Duc the guy posted official past press releases from dassault i believe these pictures are real stuff including the Petit Duc escort.
 * Moyen Duc (flight)
 * Petit Duc (flight)
 * ok, understand. I was just updating the Aviation Timeline pages, and there's a section for first flights in there. Akradecki 21:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * roger that, maybe later. Shame On You 21:59, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

ain't it cute?
found an official flight video of the Petit Duc (source Dassault) ain't it cute :) Shame On You 20:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * a promo poster for the "C41 Network" command system feat. Petit Duc Shame On You 20:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Saab FILUR...
is it me or the FILUR (2005) is a copy and a mix design of the Petit Duc (2000) & Moyen Duc (2001)? check this real -not CG concept- test flight pic (10.2005). That makes Saab's role in the nEUROn project overrated. Shame On You 12:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Sagem UAV proto 2003 (nEUROn?)
this interesting picture of a Sagem UAV was shot at the Paris Air Show 2003 and demonstrates a similarity with the 2006 revised design of the nEUROn. That makes Saab's supposed major influence on the euro project even more relative. Few infos are released yet about the Dassault-Sagem TUAV, the amateur photograph suggests it could be a concept for the 2004 Dassault-Sagem Medium Duc. Shame On You 13:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * sagem drones

Moyen Duc flight
finally found the video (english vers) used by the guy in the forum showing moyen duc. so this is official Moyen Duc flew. here's the french version of the video. does anyone understand the Rafale's pilot vocal order to the drone? to me sounds like English message: "...three"..."successful!" and the Petit Duc on the left leaves the formation (sounds seems to be higher in the FR vers.). Shame On You 08:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * report
 * Moyen Duc engine
 * from this promo film i've made an edited video focusing on the drones footages. at first i was skeptic about the Rafale with the three AVE, but after examination of screenshots this is not 3DCG. looks like real footage (just like the Petit Duc & Moyen Duc sequences are real film without any doubt). if the Rafale and Petit Duc sequence is a fake this a fake film not 3DCG fake, Dassault's CG level is not that good, just have a look at the nEUROn video released one year later. anyway a fake would be surprising as the Petit Duc really flew (there are filmed and pictured evidences), and when Dassault relates to project in its promo it uses mute poor to medium quality 3DCG while this sequence has sound and speech.

Petit Duc unseen canard version (3DCG concept)
picture from Dassault Activities. Shame On You 20:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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