Talk:Daunte Wright protests/Archive 1

Include looting in title
It seems that looting, which has been a notable and widely-reported feature of these "protests"—see here and here, for example—needs to be included in the title. Not all "protests" include looting, obviously, and given that these have featured so much looting (per article, up to 24 stores simultaneously looted in a small neighborhood), it ought to be in the title. "Daunte Wright protests and looting" sounds fine to my ear, but of course open to suggestions. Thanks! Elle Kpyros (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The protests are the notable part, not the looting. If it changes, we'd likely call it a "riot" (e.g., LA Riots).  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Food for thought: 2021 Brooklyn Center unrest redirects here. That might a possible title, if the current one is not preferred. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless there has been other previous "Brooklyn Center unrest", the year would be unnecessary. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I just did a intitle search for "looting"; the only types of pages that exist are specifically about looting itself and what items were destroyed (i.e. Archaeological looting in Iraq, Nazi-looting of artworks by Vincent van Gogh). These seem to be more about targeted iconoclasm than unruly disorder, and the importance of the objects in question (priceless artworks vs. a Dollar Tree) makes me therefore strongly oppose such a move. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:23, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll also note here that OP's talk page reveals a long history of contrarian edits to articles on racism and police brutality in the US. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:25, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Potter arrested section doesn't belong
It doesn't have anything to do with the protests. I moved it to Killing of Daunte Wright, then got accused of vandalism by anonymous User:2601:447:4080:10:c8d7:33f4:d429:bf4e. I realize my edit was WP:BOLD and said so in my reasons for the edit. Per WP:NPA, it is not necessary to accuse good faith editors of bad faith vandalism. Kire1975 (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Glad to see that anon has re-reverted it back to the way it was so quickly. All is well. Never mind. Thanks. Kire1975 (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It should be mentioned in the course of events. Justice for Wright is a key demand of protesters. Charges for Potter and her arrest are parts of that. Right now, the article is too heavy on looting with not nearly enough context given on what protesters were demanding. Minnemeeples (talk) 01:29, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Requesting a fork: Riots v Protests
We have strong coverage from reliable sources about rioting, enough for a stand alone article.

We have strong coverage from reliable sources about protesting, enough for a stand alone article.

Why lump the two together? Fork the thing. Juno (talk) 04:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

They are part of the same event and would require duplicate background content to explain the context if separate. Minnemeeples (talk) 12:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Minnemeeples - they are part of the same event, and I don't really see any reason or precedent to divide them. For example, look at the page on George Floyd protests - all forms of protest/unrest are together on the same page, and related pages are divided by geography. Coffeespoons (talk) 17:57, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * All riots are protests. Not all protests are riots. Kire1975 (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Indiscriminate list
This article is primarily a list of various local news sources reporting on protests and riots. It's approaching WP:INDISCRIMINATE at the moment. Should we consolidate these individual listings?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I have WP:BOLDly condensed the list in this series of edits.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand and appreciate the intention here but I think a bare list of cities is just as WP:INDISCRIMINATE as the way it was. Surely, there can be a middle ground somewhere? All of those events are notable enough to be reported in reliable sources. Kire1975 (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed Kire1975 - while every detail about every protest, vigil, march, etc. across the US is WP:EXCESSDETAIL, there have also been notable events with significant coverage occurring outside of Minnesota that deserve mention beyond a summary sentence. Tvc 15 (talk) 16:30, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps what could be helpful is a list article, List of Daunte Wright protests, that has a short description of notable protests about Daunte Wright with a source cite. That would at least give context to significant events outside the Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, area. Even the Minnesota section has a protest in Duluth, Minnesota, that is really not connected to the same set of events in the Minneapolis-Saint Paul metro area, that could move over to a list-type article. Minnemeeples (talk) 21:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that this is a good idea especially if it grows in scale even more. See for example the myriad articles Lists of George Floyd protests links to. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree that List of Daunte Wright protests is a good idea as the number, scale, and coverage of protests inside and outside of Minnesota continues to grow, per the example of George Floyd protests vs List of George Floyd protests in the United States. Tvc 15 (talk) 04:24, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Done! List of Daunte Wright protests is up. It's needs work though. The events in Brooklyn Center are really part of their own distinct thing. The tactics used by law enforcement there, the local context of the Chauvin trial and mobilization of law enforcement, local debates about use of force on the press and protesters, etc. Minnemeeples (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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 * A memorial site near the place where Daunte Wright was shot was killed on April 14, 2021 in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota (51116674647).jpg

National Guard Troops
Is the shooting at the NG vehicle directly related to the protests? I don't see anything in the sources about this act being related to the protests themselves or done as an act of protest.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 16:29, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * National Guard was mobilized to the area as a result of the protests and unrest. They were there because of the unrest in Brooklyn Center and the metropolitan region after Daunte Wright's death. Minnemeeples (talk) 16:39, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, but was this coincidental? It's unclear to me if this is part of the larger protests and their aftermath or just some event that occurred during this time period.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 16:46, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
 * It was part of the broader unrest after Wright's death. The guard troops wouldn't have been there otherwise. There were several homicides in the area and other things that happened coincidentally that are not discussed in the article. But reputable sources have discussed the National Guard shooting in the context of Daunte Wright protests. Minnemeeples (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2021 (UTC)