Talk:Dave Bald Eagle

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Confirmation Of Involvement With "Dances With Wolves"
I am having trouble finding a source that can confirm Dave Bald Eagle did in fact have some involvement with the film Dances with Wolves. It has been widely reported in the news media that he played a role in the movie, but no form of his name is actually listed in the credits. Additionally, the about tab on Dave Bald Eagle's personal Facebook page makes no mention of the film. I am wondering if the news media are confusing Bald Eagle with Floyd Red Crow Westerman who played Chief Ten Bears in the film. I am marking the article with a citation needed tag with a note referring readers to this talk page. I would love to find a source (that isn't a media news story) that confirms exactly what involvement Bald Eagle had with the film. --Bryan H Bell (talk) 01:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I see that someone has merely added a citation that points to a CNN news story. I've added a disputed tag to this article. Maybe I'm taking this overboard, but after viewing an interview (David Bald Eagle Tells About His Hollywood Career) in which he makes no mention whatsoever of "Dances with Wolves", I am still unconvinced that this film credit is not being widely misreported by the news media. --Bryan H Bell (talk) 17:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

I have found a source which explains his role in the movie - an extra for the shooting but also consulted as an elder to vet the script. Andrew D. (talk) 17:52, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you! --Bryan H Bell (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Note that you can find the full article online and it's quite a good read.  I didn't want to include the URL in case it's a copyvio.  Andrew D. (talk) 18:26, 29 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I did find the full text online. Thanks. I've also submitted a request to IMDB to have Bald Eagle listed as an uncredited Technical Advisor and used the source you provided as proof of his involvement. --Bryan H Bell (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

URLs are included regularly as references so you should not be worried. RichardBond (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

URLs are included regularly as references so you should not be worried. RichardBond (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Caution: Article Inaccuracies
There are many inaccuracies in this article. I think the producer of a recent movie David was in wrote the false obituary with many false claims. That obituary is the main part of this article. Here are just a few major corrections.

David Bald Eagle born April 8, 1919, died July 22, 2016 was not the grandson of Chief White Bull. David Bald Eagle's paternal grandfather was John Beautiful Bald Eagle born 1860. His maternal grandfather was George White Feather born 1865. This is per US Census and US Indian Census. I did his full family tree with over 80 cited government documents. They did an Indian census every year. Chief White Bull was born 1849 and died 1947.

This article states David Bald Eagle enlisted in the Fourth Calvary of the US army at the age of 17 five years after his "grandfather" Chief White Bull died. White Bull died 1947 when David was 28. David did enlist in the army in October 1941 six years before Chief White Bull died. There was no calvary at that time. Indian census shows David Bald Eagle was on the reservation working as a truck driver in 1935.

The false obit states David Bald Eagle is in the Ballroom Dancing Hall of Fame in Minnesota. There isn't a ballroom dancing hall of fame there. David is not in any ballroom dancing hall of fame.

I think Wikipedia should proceed carefully with this article. I think the movie producer is the one sending the fake obituary to all the media so they'll post it so he can quote it. He wants David Bald Eagle to sound like the "most interesting man in the world" just to get media attention. He'll probably be happy when the truth is revealed that it was all fake. Mary Cummins (talk) 03:18, 30 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the warning. It has been challenging separating fact from fiction regarding Dave Bald Eagle's life and many of the details have at times seemed apocryphal. The details listed in this article have so far not used an obituary as their source. For example, the detail about Chief White Bull being Dave's grandfather comes from a speech given by South Dakota State Senator Tim Johnson in 2009, many years before Dave's death when any obituaries would have been written. It's certainly possible, however, that Sen. Johnson got his facts wrong. If you have reliable sources you can cite that reveal a different lineage for Dave, by all means please make corrections to this article and list those sources. The same goes for the other possible inaccuracies you've pointed out. --Bryan H Bell (talk) 06:06, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * It's interesting to observe the progression of the story in the world's media. I observed it trending on the BBC's news site as one of their top stories and they seem to have been among the first to break the story, because the US media like NPR were referring back to them.  I now see a fresh obituary in The Times, which is about as good as it gets in the UK.  Everyone seems to love this guy and his story and so it's a good topic to keep working on.  I'll use the Times obituary to keep fleshing out the details and have added a graph of hits so we can see how we're doing. Andrew D. (talk) 08:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The graph is available from this talk page, it doesn't need you to transclude it everywhere you see fit, counter to the talkpage guidelines. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:58, 31 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I thought the obit sounded odd so I started researching. I don't know if I'm allowed to post a link to my research. It is here. His family tree is posted there which shows he's not the grandson of Chief White Bull. All reference docs are cited to US military, census, ancestry, county archives. http://marycumminsrealestatemarycummins.blogspot.com/2016/07/david-bald-eagle-april-8-1919-july-22.html


 * David Bald Eagle is not the Chief of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe. They haven't had a Chief in a long time. He's not a real Chief. A small group of private enthusiasts named him Chief of United Native Nations few years ago. This is that group. http://bayworld.net/unn/


 * He wasn't born in a tipi but a regular house. US Indian census docs show he and his parents lived in "civilized home" "not mobile or aboriginal." The census docs also show that he and his parents could read, write, speak English and all went to school.


 * He's not listed as injured in the war in military archives. He's not listed as recipient of Silver Star medal. He was sued by the US gov in 1984 for illegally taking VA disability. Case 5:84-cv-05170. UNITED States of America vs David W. Bald EAGLE. He lost and had to make payments.


 * He enlisted in the war 10/1940 for three years. In one article he says he survived the war without a scratch. It's linked above. In another article he said he injured himself as a bronc rider in Belgium but not in the war.


 * He was never a race car driver, stunt man, drummer, pro-baseball player, ballroom dancer in the ballroom dancer hall of fame in Minnesota (doesn't exist), rodeo star, dancer with Marilyn Monroe, had dinner with the Kennedys, was Errol Flynn's stunt double, taught John Wayne how to ride horses and shoot guns, personal friends of Roy Rogers, Clark Cable, Casey Tibbs...


 * Seem his long time Indian friends know that he's a story teller. He told his friends he likes to tell crazy stories to journalists just to see what they'll actually write down.


 * The director/producer Steven Lewis Simpson of a film coming out "Neither Wolf Nor Dog" is behind this false obituary being sent everywhere. Simpson posted these same false stories in the kickstarter for the film which raised $50,000. The movie is coming out within a month. He's taking advantage of Dave's death to promote his film. Dave is in his film as character "Dan" but he's not playing himself. Simpson is behind the Facebook user "Dave Bald Eagle." I hope I formatted this properly. I haven't posted in a while.--Mary Cummins (talk) 03:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's policy of no original research probably means your blog article alone wouldn't qualify as an adequate source for the information you're proposing to include in the article. However, if you can provide citations to other reliable sources that support information in your blog, then those would be good facts to add to the article. For example, perhaps you could provide a US Census citation to support Dave Bald Eagle's lineage. There's a template for including such references in articles here: Template:Cite census. Bryan H Bell (talk) 07:15, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I wasn't thinking of using my blog as a reference. I do have all the census docs and media references to Chief White Bull and David Bald Eagle. I will use the templates as soon as I figure it out. Thanks.--Mary Cummins (talk) 02:21, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

I included an obituary of my great grandfather which due to age is public domain in his Wikipedia article. I was told by an editor who removed it that obituaries are not usable within an article in Wikipedia. However it is possible to use an obituary as a reference. I am not going to change the article but keep that in mind it might need a rewrite. RichardBond (talk) 18:55, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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