Talk:Dave Cole (artist)

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 * 2005 Dave Cole Knitting Machine.jpg

I am Dave Cole (artist). this image got deleted, presumably because I hadn't done something I was supposed to do to release it. (please forgive me, I am new to this, and about as far from tech-savvy as it is possible to get) I think I released the work correctly, which involved sending an email generated for me to someone. text below. (well, actually it was sent from my assistants wiki account originally) but then I got told it was going to take 5 months to get it looked at. please help. Davecoledavecole (talk) 01:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Dave Cole  9:41 PM (15 minutes ago)

to permissions-commons

I hereby affirm that I am Dave Cole, the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the work depicted in the following media: I agree to publish the above-mentioned work under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International. I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work, even in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that the copyright holder always retains ownership of the copyright as well as the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by the copyright holder. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2005_Dave_Cole_Knitting_Machine.jpg‬

Dave Cole 2019-05-24

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Davecoledavecole (talk) 01:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for trying to work through the process here...it's definitely not obvious to new (or even many old) editors what has to happen in certain circumstances, especially related to copyright policy. Regarding the knitting-machine picture, it looks like the same photo at http://davecoledavecole.com/#/the-knitting-machine/ which is obviously your website. A quick (not OTRS, as you notice) way to assert the license is to post it on your webpage of that image. That immediately demonstrates your original intent, and doesn't involve wikipedia or having to confirm to us who you are. The image on Commons can then point to that website and say "here is the original image where the license owner of the sculpture declares CC-BY SA4.0" (well, there's some more proper technical wording I bet). However, from that page, I now see that the image itself is credited to Mass MoCA. That might mean they too need to allow the license release (a photo is a second layer of artistic work on top of the first). Their allowing you to host the image on your site is definitely not the same (and does not have any implicit assurance) that they accept CC licensing of their work, regardless of what licensing you assert for yours in it. DMacks (talk) 02:14, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * While we're here, how about commons:File:Dave Cole sculpting.jpg, uploaded by commons:User:Begettys (User:Begettys has also edited here on English Wikipedia)? DMacks (talk) 02:18, 24 May 2019 (UTC)



I took that picture with a tripod. that ones mine Davecoledavecole (talk) 02:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)



I also wrote another reply to you, but I have no idea where it went. I really am not good at this stuff at all. I was asking if the release or uncopywriting needs to to be done right on the web page or can I hide it in the metadata somewhere? I think it would look a little weird added to the caption of the photo Davecoledavecole (talk) 02:29, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * MASS MoCA owns the image and put a release or a license or whatever on the upload in the wiki common place thing at my request. then it got pulled. because I didn't release it. or something. this is clearly not what Daves do best

Davecoledavecole (talk) 02:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Great! So I assume you also want CC licensing on the image of you working? I can't find that picture on your website. Again quickest and easiest solution is to have those images hosted on your website and tagged with explicit CC licensing. You can just link to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en (or whichever other one you want) instead of copy & pasting the whole license itself. Up to you how you do the tagging. Putting it in the EXIF (metadata) is sufficient because anyone can look back at the website you control to verify your intent. This note here will remind others to look at metadata for it (easy to overlook otherwise). DMacks (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Regarding MoCA, the image was uploaded to commons by commons:User:Lmswood, the author was listed as "Arjen Noordeman" in the EXIF metadata, and there was no way to trace any of that back to "MoCA or Arjen Noordeman is making CC release". DMacks (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Minor note: my username is plural, and wiki usernames are case-sensitive. DMacks (talk) 02:41, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay, I am going to do the best I can to sort this whole thing out. Lsmallwood used to work at MASS MoCA and was in charge at the time that MASS MoCA took custody of the image and he checked with them for me that it was okay and then uploaded it. I guess I now have to find someone at mass MoCA who is willing and able to work through this whole clusterf*** with me and modify the metadata on the image and then upload it again? But even then isn’t it going to be deleted without some kind of an affidavit from Arjun Norman (whoever that is) that they transferred the rights to MASS MoCA? I get why all this is needed, but I am not sure how I am supposed to wade through this and in which order. Please forgive my frustration. I am really just trying to get a goofy picture of myself replaced with a half decent one and get a picture of an important piece of my work up.

Also, how am I supposed to be replying to you in this discussion? Is this the right place? I have been just copying and pasting the whole “” thing and hoping I am doing it right. (I really am not trying to be A pain in the ass here; I love Wikipedia and really really am trying to participate constructively) Also, regarding some random message that I got emailed but then couldn’t find on Wikipedia anywhere, I am dave Cole (artist), and begettys is my studio manager; anyone else ain’t me.

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 * Dave Cole sculpting.jpg
 * Being discussed in preceding section. DMacks (talk) 02:40, 24 May 2019 (UTC)